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NobodysBuds
NobodysBudsstarted grow question 4 years ago
I Need a chemist! Ever use molarity instead of ppm? Have some general rules to follow? Please, enlighten me. I'm looking for a successful molar ratio of nutrients. PPM isn't how it is used in plant, chemistry or anywhere else for that matter, so it's not very intuitive to do so.
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Philindicus
Philindicusanswered grow question 4 years ago
Convert molar concentration to grams per liter (Molarity x Atomic mass of solute), then convert to milligrams per liter (ppm) by multiplying by 1000. ... Fluoride has a FW of 19, hence a 10-3M concentration is equal to 19ppm, 1M is equal to 19,000 ppm and 1ppm is equal to 5.2 x 10-5M. I plagiarized this!😇 Keep it simple. If your trying to mix your own or create your own nutrients you need to take a college level chemistry/agriculture course to truly understand how positive and negatively charged ions are properly absorbed by not only the roots but also the substrate. Some are contradictory and some may bind together making them useless. Most nutrients utilize different chelates based on which ph range your crops will be cultivated to ensure proper absorption. These chelates are sometimes chemical like EDTA which binds to metals. Natural Humic and Fulvic Acids are common in organic nutrients. Beneficial microbes Pseudomonas produce natural chelates to a form more readily absorb-able to the root system. The biggest issue you would have is obtaining pharmaceutical grade ingredients to ensure you are able to guarantee "true" molecular weight of the elements. In other words expect to spend some $$$$ on your supplies. Good luck!
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NobodysBuds
NobodysBudsanswered grow question 4 years ago
There is a terrible mistake in this spreadsheet, and i can't remove the question! lol. at the very least Ca is adding up wrong.
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NobodysBuds
NobodysBudsanswered grow question 4 years ago
thought i made a mistake in spreadshett.. if anyone read that comment, that's why it was removed.. thanks for the link shag, but not quite what i am asking. i know the difference of a mole and ppm. Amadeo Avogadro was a cool dude! it is absolutely absurd how PK is labeled on fertilizer in america, but already accounted for that.
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Nor_Cal_Kannabliss
Nor_Cal_Kannablissanswered grow question 4 years ago
don't accidentally fat finger select as answer on your phone if you try to like this post!! It happens!!
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Shagrath
Shagrathanswered grow question 4 years ago
And also this is not rocket science IMO. Just give them nutes with right balance and maintain good ec and they will be happy. It does not matter if you have your calculations off by 5% in PPM's if the girls are still liking it
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Shagrath
Shagrathanswered grow question 4 years ago
Some nute companies tells their P and K as a P2O5 and K2O and those have to be convverted to get the accurate P and K ppm's and there is something else but I believe that when counting PPM's the right way it is legit. And also if the bottle says for example 2:3:6 it is just the ratio and you need to check the actual % of different nutes in the bottles and count from there!
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Shagrath
Shagrathanswered grow question 4 years ago
Hi! Basically it is just different unit of weight and when you weight in moles you measure the weight (1 mole) of exact amount of particles, atoms etc. and one mole is always different per/g for different atoms and salts etc cos every atom is different weight The long version from wikipedia (My english ain't too good for this good explanation) The mole (symbol: mol) is the unit of measurement for amount of substance in the International System of Units (SI). A mole of a substance[1] or a mole of particles[2] is defined as exactly 6.02214076×1023 particles, which may be atoms, molecules, ions, or electrons.[1] In short, for particles 1 mol = 6.02214076×1023.[3][2] The number 6.02214076×1023 (the Avogadro number) was chosen so that the mass of one mole of a chemical compound, in grams, is numerically equal (for most practical purposes) to the average mass of one molecule of the compound, in daltons. Thus, for example, one mole of water contains 6.02214076×1023 molecules, whose total mass is about 18.015 grams – and the mean mass of one molecule of water is about 18.015 daltons. I'm calculating my nutes with PPM's of every nute and I think it works pretty good 'cos there is studies that what concentration of what nute is good and when using salts it is easy to control
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NobodysBuds
NobodysBudsanswered grow question 4 years ago
There's a rollitup forum post with severa formulas listed... i tried to find it.. i have a few in this spreadsheet (screenshot above) in a table for comparison... but, if they were going to a "1:1:1" ration with certain elements and used ppm, that's going to give you the wrong answer and not based in any functional knowledge of chemistry from what i can tell. molecules have different weights.. you are using apples and oranges when using ppm of different molecules.
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NobodysBuds
NobodysBudsanswered grow question 4 years ago
Okay, needs more... So, picture shows me fiddling with molar ratios.. equal ppm isn't equal in a functional way, but maybe what results in the proper molar ratio and just said in laymans terms poorly. Looking for a ballpark with conceptual knowledge.. like.. "You should ahve equal parts Ca and Mg due to the biological processes going on in the plant" "you'll want 2x N to thos parts".. etc etc.. ppm is just wrong.. i don't get its use when it comes to how molecules are actually used and interact with each other.
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