Divine Seeds Contest: Auto Opium (and probably my last grow)

Waiting for first signs of life … While we are, I thought I’d give you a short explanation on the software’s graphics in case you did not follow my first diary. The one to the upper left, as its headline says, is the temperature graph. Most important line is the red one, showing the leaf temperature measured with an infrared temperature sensor. As there are no leaves yet, it is pointed towards one of the pot’s wall at soil level. Air temperature from a sensor that usually hangs around somewhere around top level is violet, and the grey line is the outside temperature close to the tent, helping the software to determine if a main blower action will effectively lower temperature. As I learned from the first grow a plant day that corresponds to the natural day can cause enormous gaps both to temperature and humidity, I inverted the plant day now, starting their night at 11 a.m. So after the first day temperature will only vary around 1.5 °C, which is of course due to the low light intensity too. Humidity graph on the upper right is quite crowded. Main line is the blue one, tent air humidity, which on this first day was between excellent 65 – 70% most of the time. For the moment humidifier is electrically disabled. There is quite some excess humidity on the tent floor and no reason to push this any further. Outside air humidity is grey again and taken from the same outside sensor that reports outside temperature. The soil humidity sensors are simple analogue capacitive sensors which have their flaws. I am interpolating their measurements to have a somewhat smoother reading, but as you can see from the turquoise humidifier reservoir reading (in legend named as plant soil hum 1), they can get confused when humidity is very high and start to report random numbers for some time. The most important graph for all growing stages is the lower left one, where the pink line meaning plant VPD should be inside the green optimum range for somewhat perfect conditions. This cannot be attained all of the time – dehumidifying isn’t as easy as humidifying –, but software tries its best to do so. Outside VPD is grey again. The last graph is more for amusement than anything else. The light intensity sensor is hard to position correctly, and everything you see about illumination and DLI (orange and green, plus grey for the accumulated 24 h DLI) should be taken with some spoonful of salt. Any resemblance to real world professional instrument readings can be considered purely coincidental. The violet line is the CO2 reading from such a sensor, and you can see that its tiny peaks correspond to even tinier black peaks at the bottom of the graph, reading TVOC values which in this case, once they will be more than possible measurement irregularities, can be interpreted as smell. ------- End of week 1: All seeds germinated. I wasn’t at home most of the time, and it turned out using the humidity sensor to monitor the humidifier’s tank wasn’t good for the stability of the system. Arduino crashed, so there are no pictures yet and no graphs to show. I have the feeling light was a bit low as the seedlings grew a bit tall, but with lights now up to 20% I guess this problem is fixed. More tomorrow when I have some more data to share. Even more end of week 1 (I extended this week to 9 days as I cannot tell when the seedlings started to show): Lights are at 40%, meaning 40 W in total. No reason to give them new water until next week. As some flies showed up from the BioBizz soil, I added 2 yellow cards. So far, everything in normal ranges. I’ll switch the control to grow phase soon which will raise the VPD slightly by 0.5 kPa. It’s interesting to see the CO2 level started to climb by 50% during their last night and has not come down to baseline afterwards. I restarted the app to check if the sensor had lost its calibration, but it still sits at around 660 ppm now.

Not much to say about this real first grow week’s start. Everything looks ok, steady growth at 40% light. I had to restart the control app a few times, therefore the broken graphs. At night times, the control software tries to attain optimum humidity rather than optimum VPD. That’s why VPD is dropping when the lights are out. CO2 is back to baseline – really wonder what the reliable values are … I found I have to silence the blowers when a timelapse photo is being taken. The shaking you see at the beginning of the grow video should not appear, or to a much less degree, in the future. Day 13 (July 30th) shows good, steady growth. Leaves are a bit spotty, although less then the processed images show. Something to be worried about? I would not currently … All are developing their 3rd nodes now. The controlling Raspberry Pi crashed last night when I tried to access it remotely … ;( – looks like the Connect software is in need of an update. The leaf temperature sensor is now really aimed at lady-to-be nr. 1’s leaves. Nothing to change that I see. I won’t cut the top yet, just watered the outer circle of the big pots slightly to encourage root growth. Day 14: Nice growth. First plant is now at 11 cm, and at 12 cm on day 15. Nothing special to report so far, except for I had to move the internal camera a bit upwards to keep little lady #1 in focus. Day 16 and last day of this week (Aug 2nd): The young ladies are now at about 14 cm tall. Growth looks very compact though. I think the two inside girls will lose their heads next week; I’d still prefer to have one or two more nodes available. Pictures of this day are taken at the end of the plants’ day. Notice their leaves are pointing upwards, which should be a sign that they want more light. I turned the lights up by another 20% for a total of 60 W now. Weather was pretty hot the last days so it wasn’t possible to stay in optimum VPD range but as long as growth is this satisfying I don’t mind. I will water them slightly at their next day start. Outside plant’s soil humidity might still be at around 58% officially, but drying starts at around 40% with this measurement and the sensors are placed quite closely to the stems so outer soil is dryer. I am preparing the plant water with some additions and a frequency imprint suing some Solfeggio and Schumann frequencies.

Day 17 (starting Aug. 2nd afternoon): Will water them with a lightly enhanced RO water that was imprinted with frequencies via a PEMF coli for about one day when their day starts. After being away over the extended weekend, on day 20 ladies have grown very nicely. I topped nr# 1 and #2 after I took the photos and will give them a bit of water with Root Complex to compensate for the shock later. Sadly my brilliant control equipment has crashed completely and will not even take a photo currently. Yikes. Hope I can get it back alive this week again. Also turned the left light up by another 20%, now running at 40 W, and lifted it a bit. Eye inspection told me lights were lower here and ladies can get a bit more. At the end of their day 20, they seem to have survived the topping well. I managed to cut right above the new nodes which are already growing. Ladies are at 20 cm height before going to sleep. Day 21 shows great growth again, with lady #1 being at 22 cm now and lady #2, while being a bit less tall, extremely good side branch development. I hope that the rearranged lighting on the left side of the tent will make #1 grow a bit bushier too. Besides from that, I am really happy I tested Hesi HPE. I had such enormous success with room plants that made me want to see how Cannabis plants react to it. It will not add much to salinity, so I dared to add it quite early. While the photos are processed to compensate the lighting, I did not add much to saturation, so leaves are indeed of a very vivid, luscious green and ladies looking extremely healthy. Speed of growth has increased too as the added video shows. It also tells me lighting is enough – they are turning their leaves away right at the end of their day. I am really uncertain if I will change to usual Hesi grow fertiliser at all … Did a bit of LST to the lowest branches of lady #2 which spread almost to the border of her pot. Both temporary girls will leave the tent soon, so that the competitors will have maximum space to develop. Day 22, end of week 3: Outside girl went to get fresh air from now on. Wishing her luck, good weather and not a single male in the vicinity. I rearranged the lights and positioned them a bit higher. First preflower signs appeared on the ladies, so I will change the lighting phase when I return next week. Currently, I have them at 18/6, 45 cm above heads, with 80% running to a total of 80 W. I wasn’t so lucky topping #2. She has only one "top side" branch now … But grows extremely well, so ok!

After another weekend spent away from home, on day 26 both Opiums present at 30 cm height, having grown big and bushy. Their thirst increased, I will water them when their next day starts. And do some more LST. Not too long until I can install the scrogging net. I am really impressed by their progress. They developed a lot of branching side branches and look really healthy and bushy. In contrast to what I wrote before, I think I can stay a few days longer with the current 80% 18/6 lighting scheme. Leaf positions do not show signs of light hunger, so no reason to change. Watered them with 1.5 l each on their 27th morning, this time adding some flower fertilisers too. Compensated their relief with some more LST. I can see in timelapse video they are tmelselves compensating this stress easily; it’s amazing to see how fast they turn their heads. You’ll see soon too. For reference: Pot diameter is approx. 25 cm. So lady #1 spreads about this much, lady #2 is even about 10 cm more. Guess they’ll make a very dense scrog surface, but first let’s have them have their stretch. Day 28 evening revealed ladies are getting thirstier. The holey pots might be helpful in root development, but they are not when it comes to keeping the tent clean. Because of their structure, water runs out in respectable quantities each time they are fed, which takes a long time to evaporate and adds to air humidity of course. Which on the other hand is currently quite ok. Outside air temperatures are around 30 °C the last days, so a bit more humidity helps to keep the VPD in range. Which is quite ok as I still cannot complain about their growth – around 2–3 cm each day currently. Grow video for day 28 (sorry about the interferences! Due to the control hard- & software being offline I cannot silence the blower(s) when a photo is taken anymore) shows steady growth and very vivid movements again. Dropping of their leaves around their evening is possibly due to me watering them again as soil was surprisingly dry already. On their day 29 evening, it’s clear to see how much they are stretching: They really gained 5 cm since yesterday! Lights are close to 30 cm, so I think I’ll reposition things a bit when their next week starts. Attached video shows the day’s progress. They say you cannot scrog an Automatic but seeing the development speed and bushiness I decided to give it a try nonetheless. I guess the buds can profit from being a bit more apart from each other if I handle to fiddle them through the holes in time. I rearranged the lights to be at about 45 cm apart from the tops and set the lights to 100% at a 16/8 lighting scheme, waking them up one hour later than before and sending them to sleep one hour earlier. Last day of this week, day 30, shows that growth speed has even increased. Lady 1 crosses the scrog net already which is positioned at 46 cm above soil. Gave them slightly enhanced water again, 2 l each.

Day 33: What an amazing height and bud gain in just 3 days! Lady #1 is 67 cm tall now, her sister a tad smaller. Both still have a great color, and I dared to cur away just the lowest branches and leaves that do not look like they could gain height in time. Really enjoying this strain so far! At the end of their day, they are a bit dropping leaves, so clearly no hunger for more light. The impressive growth speed continued on their buds: Tallest lady at 70 cm now. Their next morning shows growth is still at an impressive 5 cm/day as lady #1 with her leaves erected again stretches now 72, the maximum of my previous growth. Pulled the lights as close as possible to the ceiling and hope they won’t make it much more than 1 m. I activated the Sansi 30 W folded wings LED to give them somewhat of a morning and evening light and to add some more light to their overlapping center branches in the middle of "their" day. Sadly that’s causing some interference to the timelapse videos, but I can’t say they’re perfect if it wouldn’t. Watching the timelapse video of day 34, I have the feeling the additional light rather irritates them. Maybe the interference is not only visible for electronic eyes. I’ll keep it off next day for comparisons. Day 35 shows stretch speed has reduced indeed and they seem to be concentrating on leaf and bud growth instead. 75 cm, so we are currently at "only" 3 cm/day. Watered them with a HPE/Bud growth mix again last night, about 1 l each. Well, forget my words about reduced growth. After they recovered during the night, we are at 77 cm for lady #1. Which measured at 78 with hanging leaves in their day’s evening. I must have missed a day number – day 36 concludes their 5th week. I gave them another 2 l of fertilised water each and will lave them for the weekend again. Video shows that growth concentrates now more on leaf and bud development than on gaining height. So I guess my 160 cm tent will be sufficient. For a moment I was worried, but it looks like stretch is over. Anyway, time to rearrange the camera next week. Leaves are running out of focus.

Day 40: I returned from a weekend, finding now (luckily) much slower height but an impressive bud growth. Nothing special to report except for I lowered lady #2’s lights a bit. She is now some visible cms behind her sister (who has 83 cm), and maybe that helps to compensate her (still very nice) growth. Gave them another round of fertilised water, still with some HPE, during day 40. I could see in timelapse video they immediately gained fuller leaf positions and some progress. But sadly, as it’s quite warm here, main blower kicked in often, ruining the video to be much too shaky to show. Day 42: Nothing special again. Slow height gain (84 cm), steady bud growth. Day 43: I noticed the lowest leaves getting a bit pale. While this is perfectly ok on one hand – not much light to collect there anyway –, I think I will increase fertiliser portion a bit next time they are thirsty. At the end 85 cm in tallest main bud. Day 44 concludes this week. Not much to report except for what was already said. Slow but steady growth, a tiny bit of yellowing on the very lowest leaves and thirst about 1 l/day. This week was very hot, but the last day brought some cooling. Would be nice to have a timelapse video again that does not look like camera Raspi had Parkinson’s (when main blower is active).

Returning on day 47 (their evening), I could find the ladies suffering from thirst to a certain degree. I hastily prepared 1 l of fertilised water (just HPE) for each of them and day 48 found them to be in top shape again. Anyway, I consider buying a watering system to avoid such a situation in the future. Another thing that first shocked me was what at first sight looked like some white mold on their top leaves but turned out to be their very intensive sugar leaf production instead. 😅 Buds started to smell. Very sweet but with some deep intensity. Very nice in any case. Day 49: Gave them another round of fertilised water, this time with a pure Hesi Bloom setup, and while buds are growing nicely (and I think they even made another cm in height, let’s check next morning), ladies are starting to throw their lowest leaves. Which is to be expected in this stage, but maybe I should add a few drops of HPE again next time. It’s still a sign of internal resource management that should not exceed a certain limit in optimum conditions, I guess. Day 50: Yes, 87.5 cm! I removed some of the lowest leaves and hopeless buds and will give them another round of water again. Yikes, they are getting thirsty! Day 51: Weather made the tent atmosphere quite dry, so I misted twice and could see in the timelapse video how well they reacted to being watered. Sadly, big blower was active too often, so the video has an epilepsy warning on it and I can again only show start and end of day pictures. Anyway, the pistils are turning to a very vivid honey-like color. They are maturing, no doubt … At the end of day 52 (and another week), top cola is now at 88 cm height. The pistols that looked rather honey-like yesterday turn into a very lively orange instead, but too early to check them. Not longer than 2 weeks, I guess. I installed a simple drop watering system, only driven by physics, which has a 47 l tank that will surely keep the ladies alive if I should be away for 2 or 3 days sometimes. Maybe I should invest in some additional outlets to avoid watering just one spot, but currently I can always add a bit of water manually.

Day 53 has broken for the ladies, and I am very pleased with their progress. The buds are visibly getting stronger every day. A few brown leaf tips appeared, but at this stage I don’t care much for them. Overall, they still look very much alive. Day 57: Uppermost leaves are curling up. Could be they are saturated with light and I should reduce the lighting period a bit, could be that the water drop installment provided them with a bit too much water, although they don’t show any more fresh signs of over-watering or fertilisation. But I had to remove water that flooded the bottom of the tank … I’ll reduce their lighting period to 14 hours. Rest of the ladies looks very healthy so I don’t want to stress them too much. It would be better to raise the left light a bit but I cannot. So, although the label says they would grow taller, I can be glad they did not gain more height. Day 58: Buds are really getting massive, and they started to smell a bit more. They even gained 1 cm and tallest bud is now at 89. It’s a very sweet but deep odour, really enjoyable. Lady #2, while being a bit smaller, looks like being in winter. Sugar leaves are enormous on her. I added a detail photo from timelapse video showing some of the curled and slightly burnt leaves. They are not many, and damage does not seem to progress. Anyway, ladies are already late in the game and I am rather surprised they still look very healthy.

Day 60 and a new week, with lady #2 starting to show her age by getting some more yellowish fan leaves. Sugar leaves on both started to show a very lovely, deep violet color. By breeder information they should be ready in 60–63 days. I guess it will be a few more in my case. Lady #1 is foxtailing a bit. Summer grow, definitely, and it was over 30 °C outside most of the daytimes, so I couldn’t avoid peak temperatures of more than 31 °C fully. Like every indoor grower – no restriction to this kind of plant only – I like to see self-grown green become big and bushy, but I guess with a 1,60 m tent it‘s better to stick with shorter specimen. Even some fan leaves are getting into their autumn dress now, and wow, I like their style! Pistils are still white to more than 50%, so ne reason to check for harvest proximity or to feed them pure water only. Day 62: With their cola foxtailing, tallest bud is now at 91 cm. Color is gaining saturation. A bit more intense leaf curl on very few of the uppermost leaves; nothing to worry about at this stage. Think I can do a microscope tour soon, even if I know it’s too early. ;)

A new week, not much new to report. Some bottom leaves are leaving, which is quite expectable. The rest of the water in the tank began to smell rather unpleasantly, so I removed it, cleaned the tank and filled it with about 9 litres after manually feeding the some fresh water. I guess about it’s about two weeks until harvest. Day 67: I finally found time to fix the BoxControl Soft/Hardware, and found that I had nothing to fix … Everything stared to work again once I reinstalled the Arduino software, although that one started to work by itself when connected to my MacBook. There are some changes, as the main blower is constantly blowing (rather gently) and so only Humidifier and the additional blowers are run by the Raspi. Anyway, more reliable temperature and humidity values. Leaf Temperature is from a sensor on the top of one cola, humidity and air temperature are taken at slightly lower cola height. Light is measured near one tent wall, and in no means a real measurement that would tell a comparable DLI. Some sensors corroded a bit when falling to the ground and the holey pots couldn’t hold their water, but all are working. Soil humidity #1 and #2 are from lady #1 but at different positions, #3 is from lady #2. Guess I should buy a few additional outlets for the watering system as it is only wetting about 1/4 of the pot’s surface. During day 68, watering system failed and the plants were running slightly dry. I compensated this with some manual watering but … why? I did not change anything. Lady #1’s foxtailing increased, although I finally managed to hang her lights a few cm higher. I’m looking forward to getting two very different qualities from one strain. Lady #2 still looks perfect. Day 69 – or is that 70? I have the feeling just numbering days isn’t the most reliable scheme – weather is rainy for two days now, driving the air humidity up especially during their nights. It must be noted that the inside temp/hum sensor is on leaf roof level. 30 cm upwards humidity can be about 15–20% less … But anyway, sensor is sometimes reporting 80% which is a bit troubling. Dehumidifier tries its best, but there are limits to negative humidity change when surrounding air is quite moist. The CO2 sensor does not seem to report reliable values. After start, it usually reports 400 ppm which is the minimum, after some hours jumping to about 660 ppm often followed by one or two more steps until it shoots off the range. That’s when I reset the Arduino. Anyway, currently the readings can be ignored. Need to check if there is another sensor mode. Ignorance is a valid approach for the frequent leaf temperature drops. Think I should add plausibility checks and ignore such sudden downward peaks. Finally the orange soil humidity sensor crawling weirdly up from 0 is an overshooting behaviour of the soil humidity sensors in general: If really wet, their readings can shoot through the top and appear at the bottom again … Some more yellow leaves to remove on day 70, and while lady #1 might be fox tailing, she is growing some very dense trichome population now too. A microscopic examination of Lady #2’s buds said there is still quite some time. Trichomes mostly cloudy now, and amber only present in the pistils that turned orange-brown. So lightly fertilised water in their tank for a last time. Which now extends into 5 drop gauges in each pot, making it possible to keep the whole pot slightly moist, not only one spot of it. Amazing IMHO is that the bud looks like covered in glibber. It’s one big surface of trichomes with a melted undergrowth and dense forests standing out of it. Wow. Ok, I could harvest for maximum potency now, and while I doubt that my meagre 100 W will have brought them to maximum potential, I think it still will be enormous for my taste. So 10 to 14 days, more amber and a bit more relaxation influence, please. :D The buds are still producing fresh green and pistils, as you can see in the timelapse roof view image. So maybe even some more days … Day 71, concluding this week and giving proof my enumeration scheme was 1 day off this week – but I don’t want to change everything just for the sake of correctness no-one will really care about. I think. It was also a bad day for the center bud of lady #1. As I wrote last week was extremely rainy, and with outside humidities of 75% I was not able to hold the tent humidity in a safe range all the time. And I obviously should buy an oscillating fan, because right in the center there was little air movement, and so I lost about 5 g of really nice looking and very sticky harvest. Light a candle for my bud, please.

Day 73, end of September, starts their week before the last. Once they emptied their tank I’ll flush them with pure water. Increasing number of orange pistils and the snow-covered look of lady #2’s buds tell me I should check the trichomes regularly now. Day 76, October 1st. Almost overnight most buds have turned into that vivid deep violet you see on the pictures. I still wonder how alive the ladies still are, regarding their fan leaves. I installed an oscillating clip fan now additionally which I had to install in the upper third of the tent, blowing downwards. It now lifts the measured leaf temperature a bit which currently is excellent, bringing VPS into optimum range. On the end of day 76, outside humidity was high again and so was becoming inside too. I finally lollipopped the ladies more, carefully removing fan leaves which could stop air flow. Not too carefully obviously as I incidentally broke a minor bud around 5 cm height which is now drying for a first consumption test. Looks like I was successful, see 12 hour changes. The jagged inside humidity now because of the oscillating fan whirling through the center of the colas. Whatever the CO2 meter might be reading, regarding its strange stair case look, but it is interesting to see that while VPD was in optimum, CO2 and TVOC movement where also most lively. For my indoor plants, a 60 W Sansi winged LED arrived which makes it possible to remove the 30 W winged model inside the tent which was only being used for sunrise and -set and which on images looks quite flickery by the 40 W "bulb" model that does not do so. I will use it to add some extra light during their days for some more terpene production. We will shortly enter high stress phase … Day 79, and end of another week. Not much to report except for the Raspi sensor setup has gone out of communication once again. Nothing to worry about, except for the reason. Think I’ll again have to disable it until I find it magically being back in order again. I am still unsure if I should continue the bloom phase even more. Lady #2’s buds look amazing, and many of the net layer have turned purple too. Still I see new growth on them, leaf color is very much alive still and and microscope did not look much different than last week. But some inner feeling is getting louder telling me it’s time to start their last week. First by just feeding pure water of course. Let’s see …

Day 81: Everything looks brilliant! So brilliant in fact that I decided to start their final stress phase. I’ll probably won’t let them die because the lower layer could use another week of development, but they are now scheduled for 2 days of continuous full light with minimal pure water supply. Day 83: After about 1.5 days of full sunlight, buds have even developed more fresh green growth … And microscope says majority of main buds is not fully "there" yet; many trichomes that want to get amber not completely filled. So I think I will extend their time a bit, give them some rest today and a bit of water (just with a drop of Vitamins and Hesi Enzymes). And maybe another stress day in 2 or 3 days. It definitely helped their development. Day 84: The watering system was set a bit low, so when I saw today there were drying signs I checked the buds under microscope again and yes! – I think that’s good for a first harvest. So let’s proceed …

Both ladies survived being cut, and it looks like this grow will produce as good as no popcorn buds. Although lady #1’s fluffy buds all show summer was a bit too stressing, I cannot complain about trichome density. The plants are nearing EOL clearly now with many leaves turning yellow and drying. Meanwhile the first harvest is drying well, maybe even a bit fast. But so I’ll be able to dry the rest when it’s time for it to follow.

It was quite dry, so it wasn’t exactly a week after drying start that I trimmed and collected what is left of lady 1: About exactly 60g. Don’t worry about the 66% on the picture. Just had opened the jar to enjoy their scent. Talking about compact buds: We all prefer them, right? So do I. Sadly, the humidity raise during the first drying days wasn’t a good thing for #2’s buds. I found some more mold in 2 colas, and so the current total harvest is about 95 g – I think I had to dispose about 8 g. Meanwhile, second harvest is getting close. Lady #1 looks pretty done already. Her sister produces amazing colors but does not want to die yet. She even produces a tiny new leaf, see week 13. (See above: Lady 1 has been harvested on day 92.) Which in the end produced another 18 g of fluffy, but even better looking stuff: The stress lighting period they were spending their last days has shown its rewards. Much darker colors and way more resin. It wasn’t so easy to trim ;) Meanwhile, I waited one day too long (day 99, I guess) and lady #2’s remaining buds starting to get fluffy too when they died too long under the stress lights. But it looks and smells amazing and will be definitely top tier for my humble demands. The total dried results will be around 130 g, I guess. Not too impressive, but really ok considering my lights are rather on the lower edge. Checking the roots after harvest revealed some problems with water drainage for lady #1. The lower soil was still very moist, although the bottom of the pots were filled with stones providing good drainage. Which is why her roots did only occupy about 1/4 of the pot and most of the soil looks very untouched and clean. That was probably causing her fox tailing more than the proximity of the light. Lady #2’s roots are amazing. I had to work for a long time to remove the soil which came out as one block initially. The color difference in their stems is probably because she was under contimous light for several days in the end. Both ladies’ main roots, anyway, were only a few cm long until they branched. Guess I should give them more wind with the oscillating blower in their early stages in the future (yes, the headline lied: As you might have read in the comments a neighbour who got reinfected with growing urge raised another lady for me. And, admittedly, I still have some seeds that would be sad to lose.) I’ll update lady #2’s dried result from 2nd harvest next week. But so far: Case closed. Really a recommended strain for beginners, but keep an eye on (soil and air) humidity. Last addition: 23 more and really sticky and aromatic grams from lady #2. So a total of 136 g dried. Not bad, not overwhelming, but with mostly just 100 W really quite ok.

Instead of pictures showing a dying lady: A timelapse video of their whole life. Had lady #2 run under continuous light for the last days. Probably went one day too far, which caused her buds to become somewhat fluffy too, but full of resin as well.