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Sweet n' Sour Bagseed ((GMO x Z) x (?? x ??))
Cannabiotix
Outdoor
Room Type
Transplantation
weeks 2
Topping
weeks 5
LST
weeks 5-11
Defoliation
weeks 5, 8-10
19 L
Pot Size
Start at 12 Week
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Germination
2mo ago
OB-GYN-Kenobi Chapter 1: "I have no idea what I'm doing." So I found a few seeds in an eighth of Cannabiotix Sweet n' Sour (their new Z x GMO strain). This is an exciting development, as this is considered a very top-tier commercial brand here in California. That said, I'm also aware these seeds were likely from a herm event of an already-unstable strain, so who knows what I'm going to get here. While I've had vegetable gardens before, this is my very first grow. I suspect a lot of folks get their start with bagseed. I've already made mistakes here, which is good because I'm learning. Germination was quite smooth - 24 hours in a glass of water, followed by 48 in a dark moist paper towel produced some nice taproots. However, I then promptly placed them in slow release Miracle-Gro soil, which I have since learned is a very bad idea to have that nitrogen continue to leech when it's time to flower. Planting everything in the same pot was probably not a good idea, either. Fox Farms Happy Frog is already on the way, along with some 5-gallon fabric pots.
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Paper Towel
Germination Method
2
Week 2. Vegetation
2mo ago
7.62 cm
Height
14 hrs
Light Schedule
24 °C
Day Air Temp
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
18.93 L
Pot Size
OB-GYN-Kenobi Chapter 2: Overwatering. All four seedlings were moved out of the collective Miracle-Gro pot and into their own 5-gallon fabric pots, filled with Fox Farms and Nature's Living Soil. I was worried about transplantation at this age, but initially it went quite smoothly, with all of them bouncing back quite quickly. A few days later, problems started. Two out of the four seedlings simply collapsed, thinned out where the stem meets the soil. After reading and learning about damping off and its causes, I think I might be making the number one newbie mistake: too much water. This seems especially problematic now that the remaining two seedlings are in big pots now, unable to drink all the water those pots can hold. I'm going to need to be careful here. Despite all of the above problems, the healthiest seedling is already showing what looks like a duckfoot mutation.
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Transplantation
Technique
3
Week 3. Vegetation
2mo ago
7.62 cm
Height
14 hrs
Light Schedule
24 °C
Day Air Temp
10.0
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
18.93 L
Pot Size
OB-GYN-Kenobi Chapter 3: Mo pH Mo problems. Growth has completely stalled out and the bottom leaves are turning yellow. Something is clearly wrong. I've pulled back a lot on watering, but it's possible there's still stagnant water at the bottom of these pots. I've been trying to keep them a little propped up so that air can get to the bottom of the pot and dry it out a bit. However, after a lot of research, I suspected pH problems. I bought a decent pH meter (Apera), calibrated it, and discovered the water from my backyard tap was coming in at a very high 9.5 - 10.0. Pretty sure that's high enough to cause all kinds of nutrient lockout. Thankfully this week ended a lot better. A bottle of pH down + a couple days, and I'm finally seeing new growth again. Hopefully back on the right path now. I've heard an awful lot "it's a weed, it grows everywhere!" but honestly I've never had this many problems in any vegetable garden I've grown.
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Week 4. Vegetation
2mo ago
12.7 cm
Height
14 hrs
Light Schedule
24 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
18.93 L
Pot Size
OB-GYN-Kenobi Chapter 4: Full veg + new friends. This plant definitely rewards you when you get it right. That pH of 10 was making everyone very unhappy. It also probably helped with the other two seedlings damping off. Now that I've dialed in a pH of 6.5, we're growing again nicely. Two seedlings damping off means I also now have two 5-gallon pots filled with premium soil / mycorrhiza and nothing growing in them. I decided to go with one of my favorite strains, purchased a couple Dutch Passion Strawberry Cough seeds and germinated them with just a water cup, no issues there. I'm trying to apply what I've learned so far: I'm starting these new seeds in a small pot and will work my way up to the 5-gallons. Focusing on good drainage, mixed about 50/50 Fox Farms Ocean Forest with Perlite. Is that too much Perlite? I really want to avoid overwatering, but maybe I'm over-correcting. Once she gets a few nodes, I'll transplant into the 5-gallon pots with Happy Frog and Nature's Living Soil. Considering some Dynomyco for that transplant, too. Again, this is all about learning and experimenting for me...otherwise I wouldn't be starting seeds outside in late July.
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Week 5. Vegetation
2mo ago
20.32 cm
Height
14 hrs
Light Schedule
24 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
18.93 L
Pot Size
OB-GYN-Kenobi Chapter 5: Where we learn again that seedlings are fragile. Things had been looking great for all 4 plants - the two (Z x GMO) going full throttle into veg growth, and the two Strawberry Cough seedlings starting strong in their high-drainage homes. Soon after the group photo above, I discovered the youngest seedling, Bride of Snake-Hat, had collapsed in the hot afternoon Sun. Unlikely it was damping off this time - I hadn't been watering much at all. The seedling pots felt quite hot. I've been reading up on VPD, I'm guessing it just got too hot and too dry for the little one. Turns out using little black pots is probably not the best. Every mistake a lesson. I managed to revive the seedling in the shade, and stood it back up, but you can see the damage is already done; those wilted tips aren't coming back. Might be slow-growing from here, but I've made an improvised humidity dome and it definitely seems to be helping. In the meantime, the two original Cannabiotix (GMO x Z) bag seeds are doing great. First experiments with training here: I just topped the larger of the two (Duckfoot), while I'm starting to tie down the smaller one so it lays flat. Also removed the single leaves of the first node - yellow from earlier pH problems and probably not doing any good at this point.
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Defoliation
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LST
Technique
Topping
Technique
6
Week 6. Vegetation
1d ago
20.32 cm
Height
14 hrs
Light Schedule
24 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
18.93 L
Pot Size
OB-GYN-Kenobi Week 6: Really, just avoid using humidity domes. Duckfoot and Cannabonsai (both of the Z x GMO bagseeds) are looking good and continuing to grow nicely. Cannabonsai is taking well to training, while topping Duckfoot has really kicked its other branches into high gear. The seed that was actually meant to be grown is not doing great. Strawberry Cough is just continuing to look more unhappy and getting yellower by the day. Concerned she's just got too much perlite, I transplanted her into her final home of living soil. I also decided to try giving the humidity dome another chance, and that turned out to be a terrible idea, shriveling a couple leaf tips in the process. Fool me once...
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7
Week 7. Vegetation
1d ago
20.32 cm
Height
14 hrs
Light Schedule
24 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
18.93 L
Pot Size
OB-GYN-Kenobi Chapter 7: Keep on veggin'. Duckfoot and Cannabonsai are both doing great and training well. The Living Soil means I've been adding nothing but water - after pH balancing to 6.5, that is. Strawberry Cough #1 is looking a bit less yellow, but now Strawberry Cough #2 (which has just not been growing much the past couple weeks) has now decided to do the lean. I really expected these purchased seeds to outperform the bag seeds, but it seems like just the opposite is happening.
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Week 8. Vegetation
1d ago
20.32 cm
Height
14 hrs
Light Schedule
24 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
18.93 L
Pot Size
OB-GYN-Kenobi Chapter 8: Outdoor grows, outdoor problems. Someone has been snacking on Strawberry Cough #1. First it was bits of leaf here and there (first image). I quickly added some diatomaceous earth to the upper leaves, and I was met the next day with almost all the lower leaves eaten (second image). Even worse, right at the base near the soil, everything green had been eaten around the stem, leaving only a thin brown stick. I'll try to keep her on life support, but I don't think this plant can survive like this. Anyone have any ideas what could've done this? My best guess is something big like a cricket or grasshopper, though I haven't seen any. Z x GMO Bag seeds, meanwhile, continue to do amazing. Duckfoot got a bit of trimming of its early fan leaves, including its eponymous duckfooted leaf. After checking and checking for weeks, there's a hint of pre-flowers on Cannabonsai. Stay tuned...
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9
Week 9. Flowering
1d ago
35.56 cm
Height
14 hrs
Light Schedule
24 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
18.93 L
Pot Size
OB-GYN-Kenobi Chapter 9: She's a lady. We've got our first flowers, and both Z x GMO bagseeds are female! Maybe that's not too surprising...if these seeds were from a herm event, then it could only every grow more females, for the same reason that selfing S1 seeds are always feminized. Both plants seem to be stretching, as well. Since this is an outdoor grow I'm not exactly sure when flowering officially starts, but this seems as good a time as any to call this Flowering Week 1. Strawberry Cough #1 is looking very, very bad, like it was just melting. Strawberry Cough #2 is still just a runt and not doing much. Might be time to do something here.
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10
Week 10. Flowering
1d ago
40.64 cm
Height
13 hrs
Light Schedule
24 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
18.93 L
Pot Size
Nutrients 1
Molasses, Blackstrap
7.925 mll
OB-GYN-Kenobi Chapter 10: We cut our losses. There's no way that Strawberry Cough is coming back, and its sibling has been a dud. Pulling those plants, it looks like the roots just never really developed much. Weird, I wonder if they would've done better inside. In the meantime, plenty more flowers starting to pop out now. In the spirit of the Living Soil grow, I did my very first addition of something besides water - a bit of organic blackstrap molasses.
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11
Week 11. Flowering
1d ago
40.64 cm
Height
13 hrs
Light Schedule
24 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
18.93 L
Pot Size
Nutrients 1
Molasses, Blackstrap
7.925 mll
OB-GYN-Kenobi Chapter 11: Two down, two left With only the original two Z x GMO bag seeds still going, the grow is now looking a lot more optimistic. I've read that flowering is a much more delicate time than veg, but so far everything seems good. No obvious deficiencies or issues with these plants since the original pH issue their first couple weeks. Flowers are getting thick now, and trichomes are coming in. Treated with some blackstrap molasses, but I think I'll be ordering a Living Soil Compost tea meant for flower, just to keep everything happy.
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Week 12. Flowering
21h ago
50.8 cm
Height
13 hrs
Light Schedule
24 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
Weak
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
18.93 L
Pot Size
Nutrients 2
Molasses, Blackstrap
7.925 mll
Girl Flower Power - Nature's Living Soil
Girl Flower Power
7.925 mll
OB-GYN-Kenobi Chapter 12: Do you smell that...? Flowers are really starting to develop now, and both plants are getting a frosty sheen to them. They also seem to be developing weak but distinct smells - Duckfoot is leaning into the GMO with Donny Burger-like dank fumes, while Cannabonsai smells like pure Z candy terps. I've also done a compost tea of Girl Flower Power + molasses...their Living Soil has been great, so I figured their flowering formula (high in P & K fixing microbes) is worth a shot, too. It smells just as terrible as their Living Soil, but Stink in, Stink out. Late-breaking development: after careful searching, I found what I believe are two male flowers on Duckfoot, see last pics. I knew this was a possibility with bag seed, but still don't love seeing it. I'm pretty sure after dissecting it, these are not nanners, but fully developed male flowers appearing at the internode below the female flowers - a true herm rather than stress-induced herming. Going to have to be extra vigilant for these from here on out, but hopefully not too much longer now.
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Schnabeldino
Schnabeldinocommentedweek 42mo ago
Hahaha, so funny, awesome 😂😂😂🐍 good luck 🍀🤞
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