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@Nistnov, October didn't say it was quite warm enough to grow these this year if there not flowering early in August, its difficult saying its warm in September if you look at how cold Sweden is during September. Theres definitely something going on with the climate and where there being grown, I was thinking there greenhouse plants.
@Nistnov, It needed a higher post with the twist wrapped around most likely or those soft wire plant ties, this doesn't always happen though but I can see them needing posts on 4 sides if there large enough.
@Sweet_Seeds, If the quality looks the same on a clone only strain but seeds produce some frostier phenotypes, are seeds considered a lower blow than the keeper plants? Ive had this experience.