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@Mr_BFL, thx for the info, mate! i will give the (longer lst) training a second try in the next grow. i already realized that i used too much clones in the last few grows and had much better results with only 2 trained plants in the past. but now i am sure (1x Critical Kush (barneys) + 1x AK47 seeds just germinated for the 80x80cm tent), so thanks for your reply ... :grin: