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6/1 I'm anxious to get my plants in their final homes. Another 90 degree day today and then it will be cooling off with some showers. I plan to take advantage and utilize that to make the transition. I have some small burns on a couple plants bit considering the weather we've had its nothing. Temperature swings 50 degrees. I hope these girls do OK outside. I was tired and stoned last night and I accidently topped a plant I had already FIMed. Oh well. Transplants soon. Supports screwed in after the heat. Plants have been handling this weather like a champ. Big thick healthy stalks. UPDATE PUT THE PLANTS IN AROUND 730. Cutting down on light hours I'm poverty close to where we are. It was 95 today. Plants have suprisingly little burning. My fan was taken so they go without that tonight too. In the next few days it's going to cool down and that's when I'll transplant. Only thing left before transplant is sanitizing trellis and supports. Easy peezy. Especially if it's supposed to be in the 50s. And people dent climate change lol. I'm hoping that all this adversity makes my flower a higher quality. I'm glad to have the quantity to pick the best phenos for the BIG POTS. Im trying to stay excited but it's just so dumb hot. Oh well. If the plants can do it so can I. I'm planning to give them some kelp me kelp you next watering and may start some light organic nutes. 6/2 Phone doesn't like uploading my videos. Broke record high temp yesterday 95 and tomorrow we will break the record low 50. Plants withstood the heat well and are doing great. Transplant soon. They were a little light but I held off on the water. Plan on it tomorrow. May transplant tomorrow. I have several videos that haven't uploaded. I thought they did but I was wrong. Oh well. UPDATE: Forgot to water. Some were light and others could've held off. Did the half a powerade bottle ahain. A litt ke less on the heavier ones. However I'm looking to transplant into final homes tonight and into this weekend. I sanitized a fifty and a forty so my bags and two pots are sanitized. Cage is sanitized and ready and pallets are sanktized and in place. The 40 and 60 fit PERFECT in the small space left from the pallets. Plus the plants always lean the opposite direction so things should go smooth. Only thingvleft is sanitizing stakes, bamboo, plastic garden stakes and all the other plastic training stuff. I'll just soak it while I transplant. Gotta mix the soil first too though. UPDATE. Heat went higher than expected and hit 90. I figured I'd go back around three and screw in suppirt stakes and begin getting everything ready for transplant (i.e. supports, mix soil, sanitize trellis) before I transplanted tomorrow MORNING was what I had planned. Unfortunately we got a huge thunderstorm with a shot ton of rain and it's gonna continue throughout the night. I think this is God's way of telling me to take a break. I can get up early and get those support stakes screwed in. Then when I get back from the wife's doctor's I can do the transplants. I'm trying to break the labor up into manageable chunks. Looking at my other diaries I can see that my plantscare fine in their three gallon homes. It'd a little disheartening seeing such big clones that I started so much earlier on the other diaries. However I always was fighting SOMETHING (usually more than one thing) and last year was a shit show. At least this year I stay away from anyone else's cannabis any clones and I'm extremely cautious. I've seen my cousin out perform me multiple times with healthy plants like this I'm excited to see how it goes. I really needed the break anyway but tomorrow morning the stakes will be in. Hopefully they'll be outside. 6/3 Broke the record for low days after breaking record for highs. I saw it 94 yesterday and the day before. On the way to my grow at 6am it was 44 degrees and it's not warming up much. Fifties at best. Rainy. I left the door closed. The big door on the otherside got opened as the other end of the garage neededcto he used. If the rain let's up I'm going to set up the grade stakes so I can transplant in the morning and throughout the day. I think I'm going to light dep a couple of them and leave them in the 3's. We'll see. UPDATE: At 12:30 the temp today was 44. Yesterday it was 94. I can't believe this. Plants are doing great though and are in the garage under lights for the day. The BIG door was open part of the day. Didn't take any pictures (or even enter the grow area) as I sanitized the last 40 gallon pot and a bunch of grade stakes. I drilled the grade stakes to the pallets in the front. The first row is done. Just need to sanitize the plastic trellis itself and finish attaching the other grade stakes. I don't need the fill trellis up by transplant. I just need the bags to not knock over and have SOME support. I'll be back over there either to tonight to put more supports in or tomorrow when I actually plan to start transplanting. I'm getting excited. After dealing witb the stiff that I sanitized I didn't dare go fuck with my plants so I looked through the window. I'll finish sanitizing the net tomorrow. These plants look great. I'm wondering if doing the two diagonal I poles with zipties actually works. It would save me some kone for sure. I'll definitely update in the morning. 6/4 It's warmed up to a balmy 44 degrees. My plantsxare in the garage still. Weather sucks this whole week but after this heavy rain it should be perfect weather to transplant these girls. A little to chilly but it will warm up and I need to get this shit done. I'm trying to do to much at once. I need to just out dirt in bags and get them outside. I'm glad I waited until after this craziness. Breaking temp records for high one day then breaking it for low the next can't be good for the plants. I'll update what gets done today. I may mix soil or I might wait until tomorrow. It will let up some then. Plants still look fabulous ๐Ÿ‘Œ 6/5 50 degrees still raining like hell. Rain until Friday. Plants are inside under the onecworking light. Lots of indirect light through the massive windows though. I'm planning on mixing soil today and tomorrow and getting bags and pots half filled. Just trying to break the labor up into manageable pieces. It's probably a good thing I didn't put them in their huge containers before all this rain. UPDATE: MIXED SOIL 1/3 of each (FOX FARM OCEAN FOREST, HAPPY FROG, AND ROOTS ORGANIC 707). I prepared I believe 11 containers for transplant. I need to sanitize two more containers and I'm good. I got a lot done. Might go back over. Set up extra cams too. I'm excited. Talked to my commercial buddy amd he motivated me. No reason my plants can't handle this shit. I've just had massive personal shit going on. Friday is the next GOOD day but these girls might go out earlier. I'm checking the forecast. I'll sanitize the other containers in the morning and fill them. 6/5 Today is usually my watering day but shit still seems heavy so I'm going to hold off. Despite that i need to transplant. I think they're wet enough. I could do it today. Plants are looking good and weather takes a better turn Friday. It's not raining hard though. It's just sprinkle right now. I may transplant some today depending on how things go. I'll keep the diary updated. UPDATE: I went back over with the intent to just mix soil and let it acclimate. I decided to try to transplant one. I grabbed a 10th planet and started to go. I had done a bunch of manual labor already so i wasn't thinking. Of course the fucker was dry and didn't wanna come out ofcthe pot and the root ball pretty much decintigrated in my hand so I'm not sure how that will go. Tried again with the Blueberry Cheese Cake. I thought the roots just might not have been rootbound abdcthat could've been the case. After having another rough transplant I recognized I was tired, all the hard stuff is done and it's gonna keep raining until Friday. I wanted to transplant three and put them outside but with the wind and rain and the difficult transplant I let them sit under the light in the garage in indirect light. I had the doors open for a while. Should be open now but i don't want to have to go back over and shut it. Plus I'm not to keen on getting water on my light. Let's hope for a better day tomorrow. This was the only thing I had going good. Phrple punches are still behind. I've decided I'm oing to light dep ttwo of the plants in the 3 gallon pots. The two shittiest or smallest plants (probably purple punch will be light deped. WENT BACK OVER AT FIVE AND IT APPEARS EVERYTHING IS ALRIGHT. WILL HAVE CHECK IN MORNING. Vid won't upload. Tried multiple times. I'll try again tomm. 6/6 Waiting for a doctor's appointment when I should be transplanting buy whatever. Everything is looking really good. Despite me disint9grating the rootball in my hands the two transplants look great! When I get back I'm planning to get some more work done. It's still lightly raining off and on but the door is up. I'm lettingvthe soil mix acclimate a little bit too. Hard labor is mostly done. Now the intricate part. Wish me luck. Not sure if it will be today bit I'm hoping. WENT BACK OVER CAUSE IT WASNT RAINING BUT AS SOON AS I WAS CLOSE IT STARTED POURING SO THE PLANTS ARE UNDER THE ONE WORKING 150HPS AND THE AMBIENT LIGHTING FROM THE WINDOWS. TOMORROW IS TRANSPLANT DAY. I WONT HAVE A VEHICKE SO IT WILL BE TRICKY BUT IM GONNA MAKE IT HAPPEN. Opened doors at 530. Video still didn't upload 6/7 Still raining. It's off and on and a nice rain though. It's 53 degrees at noon. I transplanted two 10th planet's into 20 gallon pots. I transplanted these two a little differently. I put the bags in there final spot I side my cage andctransplanted in the misting rain. The first one came out and seemed to be heavier on the bottom and broke off. I tend to "throw" them in the hole before they collapse. With my anxiety I suck at transplanting. Plus these plants haven't filled the 3 gallon pots with roots yet but i want hem in their final homes and its time to go outside. I transplanted the other two plants indoors and let them have days in the garage with the door open and the light on then protection from the elements at night. I've been doing this for awhile. They would all be outside if the weather wasn't so shitty. This rain is supposed to stop. I'm curious as to what will be the fate of the two plantsci transplanted and left outside. I'm praying and hoping for the best. I also put my back tarp up so I have a wind break between rhe buildings. I stopped working because I didn't want to fuck anything up. Anxiety disorders suck. TOOK A BUNCH OF VIDS BUT THEY WONT UPLOAD. GOES FROM 9% TO 65% BUT ALWA7S TURNS RED "FILE FAILED TO LOAD". I'LL KEEP THE DIARY UPDATED. ESPECIALLY IF I GO BACK OVER. WAS ABLE TO LOAD A COUPLE VIDEOS. I GUESS ITS NOT AS BAD AS I THOUGHT. AT LEAST I HOPE. WENT BACK OVER AT 3 AND CHECKED THINGS OUT. THE TWO REXENT TRANSPLANTS I LEFT OUTSIDE SEEMED TO BE IMPROVING. DESPITE THE FACT I DUMPED A SHIT TON OF SOIL ALL OVER ONE OF THEM. IT SNAPPED A LITTLE BRANCH CLOSEST TO THE SURFACE. ITS STUFF I'LL REMOVE ANYWAY BUT STILL. IM REALLY CROSSING MY FINGWRS AND PRAYING THESE GIROS WILL MAKE IT. With everything i have going on tjis is my respite.IM GOING TO TRY TO SEE WHAT I CAN ACCOmplish TOMORROW. SOME OF THE PURPLE PUNCHES ARENT READY FOR TRANSPLANTING THOUGH. I ALSO ADDED TEO TARPS TO THE CAGECTO COVER THE WIND TOWER BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD YEAR! Shut the door at seven. For some reason the two 10th planet's I transplanted (that fell all over the plant and I thought mightve broke it) look awesome lol. Despite the ridiculous pouring rain. It's going to let up soon and we are do fir some good weather. I'm trying to get everything (that isn't getting light depoed) into the cage. Four transplanted. Ten (I mean 8 more) to go.
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2/28: Amnesia has some yellowing of the leaves that appeared around about 12 hours before my usual every-3-day feedings and after I started to defoliating some of the previous yellow leaves from the previous accidental lack of water. I'm not sure if it is progressing, or it's just because I'm dialing in the watering schedule and she's using the nutrients in the extra, fatter, lower leaves. I've increased Amnesia's light distance to 16 inches and am lowering the humidity to stick between 60-70% RH with the automatic fan set to remove excess humidity near the higher end of that range. Fresh air fan blowing around the tent and into the 2 lower vents. Smells like a fresh garden outside of the tent, however smells green when the tent is opened. Not a strong green smell, but mildy recognizable. 3/1: Welp, it's worsened, and has shown itself in both plants now. Since they share the same environment and nutrients, I suspect this to be a nutrient issue. Trainwreck was known for potentially having excess Nitrogen as shown by the extremely bushy growth, dark green leaves, and downward curling leaf-tips. However, Trainwreck is now no longer exhibiting those symptoms, and has lightened up and is stretching. But! Trainwreck is showing signs of potassium deficiency, with brown spots appearing on upper leaves. The same goes for Amnesia, brown spots have migrated their way to upper leaves. I'm thinking a banana tea will be good for them, so I've got a couple large banana peels steeping in the pump sprayer for this evenings watering. My conclusions: 1. Nutrient burn hitting Amnesia hard, but Trainwreck is riding it out from its stored excesses. 2. Both are lacking some potassium now that they're beefing up in flowering stage. Edit: I've decided to add a quarter-strength nutrient to this banana tea so as to not completely flush out the remaining nutrients. I believe that would leave her starved in between her next feeding, in 3-4 days from now. 3/2: Welp! That made it worse! Time to test the PH of my soil. If the PH is too far in one direction or the other, certain nutrients will be locked out. I've ordered a PH meter instead of these PH testing drops. I didn't know that the difference between 6.0 and 6.5 would be so drastic, but with that said, I need to be more precise about my PH levels if I want to maximize these nutrients. Until the PH meter gets delivered tomorrow I may, if my research says that I should, flush with plain water ph'd water to try to flush out salts and try to get the PH back to 6.5 where it needs to be. Edit: I do not believe this to be overfeeding, as I would expect nutrient burn on the tips of all leaves, but there are colas that are completely unaffected by the recent feedings. However, if the PH is off, and I suspect it is, individual deficiencies will pop up and affect the leaves differently. The other plant, trainwreck, which was planted later, may have contained less Ocean Forest nutrients from the top of the bag, and also more Happy Frog; so it's riding out these issues just fine. 3/4: The discoloring on Amnesia has not spread to any other leaves. I've done a little bit of defoliating on the yellow and crispy leaves. Looks like they're already being replaced. I've got my ph meter now, and doing a slurry test came out 6.4 on the top inch of soil, the only soil I could get to without ripping up the roots. Either way, I'm doing to be certain to PH tonight's feeding (half strength) perfectly to 6.5, as opposed to trying my best using PH testing drops, which is almost impossible! Trainwreck is getting some spots on her leaves, so she'll be ready for her feeding tomorrow.
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So here we are, at the end, a few months later. I was so happy that I'll finally grow a plant without any training at all, just to see the full and uninterrupted genetic expression. It was a blast to grow her, I can't wait for the plant to dry and give it a few weeks of curing but she smells great already. I also wanted to thank Divine Seeds for the contest strain and Bio Tabs for great Bio fertilizer. You can judge for yourself because I'll let the photographs speak for themselves. Speaking of photography, I went with a moody style this time, because she has a great structure. I've trimmed her a little bit here and there and I've left a few big fan leaves on both sides for better looks. The big fan leaves reflect the light so well, it make the whole plant shine. Okay now head to the gallery and let all that sink in ;) XOXO Cremo
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Unsere privaten Growprojekte die wir mit freundlicher Unterstรผtzung von unseren Partnern @growcontrol.de @original_homebox @mars.hydro @biotanicpro & @purolyt realisieren starten! ๐ŸŒฟ
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I gave the lady's a litle haircut at the start of the week, and started using Bud ignitor on the Canna feed Cherry's to speed things up a bit๐Ÿ˜‰ I also Switched the lady's to 12/12 on the 10th of november. Rock on Growmies ๐ŸŒฑ
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Das obere Drittel wird geerntet, sehen wunderschรถn aus. Die Qualitรคt wird von Grow zu Grow immer besser. Super Juicy, richtig lecker und einfach wunderschรถn wie aus dem Lehrbuch. Sind nun am Trocknen danach kommt der Rest ab.
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Day 22 - Didnt have a time to make a Day 20 due to my sickness but hey im back guys dont worry ! :) - So at the first point, changed the pH of the water with nutes to 6.3 for better CalMag absorbing - I know very well about light being too close problem, girls are bushy, not very stretchy. Will solve the problem in 5 days (will move them into bigger box) - Applied foliar spray with 1ml/l of CalMag and 1ml/l Rhizo - Deficiency is still spreading throughout the older leaves, i know im losing some leaf mass right now. Trying my best but i cant move the light (problem causer) further... - Going to transplant them to a 10l/2gal pots in 4 days after moving them to a bigger tent. - wishing them ladies all the luck i have to survive the next days without too much burn... Note: If you have some idea how could i dim the light a little, let me know ! :) Day 28 - So, moved them to a bigger box. I finally could. (120x120x200) - Calcium deficiency has spread almost to all plants in the small box but it looks like IT stopped after moving them And moving the Light further, finally... - Light Is now 50cm above the tops which IS appearing to be 17000 Lux (used Phone luxmeter so its probably not perfect) - every 2 days spraying them with 1ml/l calmag And 1ml/l rhizotonic before the nighttime - flushed every plant with 2l nute mix ph 6.0 EC 1.6 due to not buffered Coco coir (really pi**Ing me off). Hopes it made the nutes evenly spread - outflow came 5.8 pH and 1.4 EC - Fimmed at day 25, looks like they didnt noticed much but the lower branches started to grow heavily. (i know i shouldnt due to health of the plants but better than topping right) -wish them luck in next days, theyre not the biggest but they seem very strong (thanks to team Humboldt seeds :)) - if everything goes right from now on ill switch them to 12/12 at the end of week 6
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Definitely interesting temps stayed about 26 degrees C humidity around 60-65%. Theyโ€™re still alive after a week and I transferred them to the buckets 4/15. Just watered them in the rockwool from 4/3-4/15 pretty much feed the myco + voodoo mix towards the end and plain phโ€™d water in the mean time.
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Day 50, cruising along, very easy to look after so far, when they show me they are in true flower I will start adding Bud Explosion and drop off the Epsom and Mega crop if need be.
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Welcome to ๐Ÿ“…Day 15 of veg 3/29/2021 she is fully recovered from my micro top and growing fast under the MH TS 1000. I'm not going the change much at this point nutrient wise as she is doing good and she is still small. Update ๐Ÿ“…Day 17 of veg 3/31/2021 well it looks like she is growing fast and strong I'm very happy with the MH TS 1000 I have high hopes. I decided that at this point I can increase the light output to 60% that gives me a LUX of around 20,000 LUX ๐Ÿ’ก. The light intensity is much higher then the AGLEX at this point now with the AGLEX light not able to hit 20,000 LUX ๐Ÿ’ก without the bloom switch on and I am going to wait till next week for that Update ๐Ÿ“…Day 19 of veg 4/2/2021 she is growing fast and I'm very happy with her progress. I installed the trellis net just above the canopy and over night she is through it lol. Can't wait to see how she does in flower under the Mars Hydro TS 1000๐Ÿ’ก, at this point I wish I had 2 TS 1000๐Ÿ’ก so I could just run them. that's it for this weeks updates as as always Happy growing๐Ÿƒ and keep you stick on the ice ๐Ÿ’
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I found out by measuring the water going from the pot that I probably over fertilize the plant. My mistake Was to use some cheap guano from local shop to the pot directly and also full plan with shogun fertilizers. I find out it before leaves start necrosis and now the plant is on diet with 1,4 ec and i control the outcoming water every day to be sure that situation In pot is better. Colas still growing but it slows a bit and will do some impact on my yealds at the end for sure. I will learn from my mistakes ! You can seen on pictures some improves on vent system, keep growing guys! Keep improving ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿป๐Ÿคฉ
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Seeds planted directly in substrate. Took about five days for them to germinate. Temperatures on these days were around 11~20ยบC with a RH above 60%. Automatic seeds were planted on 19L fabric pot and feminized ones on 3,5 L plastic pots (planning to transpant them after to 19L fabric pots), and one directly in a 15l fabric pot.
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Week 9 Light cycle=12/12 Light Power=170w Extractor controller settings High temp=24c Low temp= c Temp step=0c High Rh= 50% Low Rh= % Rh step=0% Speed max=10 Speed min=1 Smart controller settings (during lights on). Lights on=10.01-21.59 Radiator on= below 22.0c Radiator off= above 23.0c Smart controller settings (during lights off). Lights off=22.00-10.00 Radiator on= below 18c Radiator off= above 19c Fri 16/2/24 ๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง Method= automatic Feed=bloom nutes. Neutralise=0.1ml/L Silicon=1.0ml/L Calmag=0.75ml/L Terra Bloom=4.0ml/L Sumo Boost=2.0ml/L Roots=0.2ml/L Easy Ph down=0.11ml/L Ec=1.85 PH=6.4/6.6 Time start=12.00pm Finish time=13.45pm (11ร—5 minute runs with 5 minute gaps) Total flow rate=190ml/min Flow rate per plant=47ml/min. Total volume made=13L(13.5L) Total volume left=3L Total volume used=10.5L Volume per plant=2.6L (Est) Runoff. Total runoff=1.2L Ec=2.13 PH=6.1/6.3 ๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง #1 (Day 57)(Day 19 flower) ๐Ÿ“‹ she is starting to show signs of light stress. Lowered light power from 180w to 170w. New DLi=65.0 Sat 17/2/24 #1 (Day 58)(Day 20 flower) ๐Ÿ“‹ H=96cm D=17cm DLI=67.8 Sun 18/2/24 #1 (Day 59)(Day 21 flower) ๐Ÿ“‹ Lowered light power again as they are showing a bit of stress from the light. Power was 170w now 160w. I'm going to have to have a think about my next grow, either I stick with this tent and hit the plants hard with light when I flip to flower to keep them small, or try and cram a slightly bigger tent in the space allocated for it. This tent is 61ร—76ร—150cm with the option to extend it to 173cm. Mine is configured to the 150cm height, but because its extendable the top 30cm is inaccessible at the best of times let alone when the plants reach a decent height. Extending this tent will be pointless because that's another 23cm of inaccessible space. Besides I only have a max head room for 160cm where the tent is. Mon 19/2/24 #1 (Day 60)(Day 22 flower) ๐Ÿ“‹ H=96cm D=17cm DLI=67.8 HST Tue 20/2/24 ๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง Method= automatic Feed=water Neutralise=0.1ml/L Easy Ph down=0.01ml/L Ec=0.2 PH=6.2/6.2 Time start=12.00pm Finish time=13.45pm (11ร—5 minute runs with 5 minute gaps) Total flow rate=190ml/min Flow rate per plant=47ml/min. Total volume made=13L Total volume left=2.4L Total volume used=10.6L Volume per plant=2.6L (Est) Runoff. Total runoff=1.25L Ec=1.33 PH=6.4/6.4 ๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง๐Ÿ’ง #1 (Day 61)(Day 23 flower) ๐Ÿ“‹ Wed 21/2/24 #1 (Day 62)(Day 24 flower) ๐Ÿ“‹ Thur 22/2/24 From today I'll have to pull out the front 2 plants to get any pictures of the back 2. #1 (Day 63)(Day 25 flower) ๐Ÿ“‹ H=97cm D=15cm DLI=67.8 Lowered runoff rack. Pots may be sat in runoff slightly. Lowered light power from 160w to 150w. H=97cm D=18cm DLI=60.0 She is developing quite quickly, because of the short distance between the light and the tops I'm seeing a bit of light stress, I'm going to keep my eye on that and push it as much as possible. Back soon. Take it easy.
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Sorry I couldnโ€™t get a lot of pics this week been busy planning the drying process for this one and they are getting cut down tomorrow ! Well some of them are! Bye bye biscotti mintz 1/2 and GMO Punch #4
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Week 2 transplanted from solo cups to 5 gal pots an 1 into 7 gal grow bag. Plants had good healthy roots in solo cups..plants keep growing vigorously from the start!!!