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7 years ago
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Fission 300W Light Emitting Diodes/317W
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Fission 300W Light Emitting Diodes/400W
Custom
Indoor
Room Type
LST
weeks Technique
HST
weeks Technique
SoG
weeks Technique
FIMing
weeks Technique
Defoliation
weeks Technique
11 L
Pot Size
1
Week 1. Vegetation
7 years ago
5.08 cm
24 hrs
25 °C
5.8
No Smell
50 %
20 °C
1 L
0 L
76.2 cm
Nutrients 5
Armor Si - Terra Aquatica
Armor Si 2.5 mll
CALiMAGic  - Terra Aquatica
CALiMAGic 4 mll
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 5.6 mll
One lost a leaf, a couple others I thought wouldn't make it. Barring losing too many, plan is to cull smallest, keep largest for mother. The last NL I had that had 4-5% CBD was really good to me. World of Seeds NLxBB Ryder. Hoping these do the same and the clones from the mother pad out my yields well. Got these seeds for approx $22 out the door for all ten during a sale. These probably don't have anywhere near as long to flip, due to my last two batches finishing together... so I'm going to try not bending them or topping them. Just HST + FIM, then probably LST the branches out into a bush. Not going to try to make them pancake flat unless that looks worth the effort.
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Week 2. Vegetation
7 years ago
12.7 cm
24 hrs
23 °C
5.8
No Smell
50 %
20 °C
4 L
0 L
76.2 cm
Nutrients 5
Armor Si - Terra Aquatica
Armor Si 2.5 mll
CALiMAGic  - Terra Aquatica
CALiMAGic 4 mll
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 5.6 mll
Day 14 from germ. Hour after transplanting them into 1 gallons with mykos. Going to apply it again when they go into their final containers, size undetermined. Thinking eight 3gals. Going to lower lights to 24" and water in a ring around the puck to encourage root growth. Planning on fimming them.
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Week 3. Vegetation
7 years ago
12.7 cm
24 hrs
23 °C
5.8
No Smell
50 %
20 °C
4 L
0 L
76.2 cm
Nutrients 5
Armor Si - Terra Aquatica
Armor Si 2.5 mll
CALiMAGic  - Terra Aquatica
CALiMAGic 4 mll
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 5.6 mll
Day 21. I fimmed them, or tried to. Think I goofed it up. The next morning I saw little leaf tips that hadnt been trimmed, thought I'd missed them, think i "double fimmed". Caused a bit of shock I think wouldn't have happened otherwise. Still good size for day 21. Frankly, I think I faied to break their apical domincance.... and they are still christmas trees. Either way is fine, but I think fimming would help me even out their sizes and maybe get more yield. HSTed their main trunk, will transplant in next couple of days to 3gal final homes and pick a mother for the mother tent.
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Week 4. Vegetation
7 years ago
12.7 cm
18 hrs
23 °C
5.8
No Smell
50 %
20 °C
11 L
0 L
60.96 cm
Nutrients 5
Armor Si - Terra Aquatica
Armor Si 5 mll
CALiMAGic  - Terra Aquatica
CALiMAGic 4 mll
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 7.1 mll
Made it into three gallons without much shock. Used mykos during transplant. Defoliated during rooting instead of vegging, thought I had caught them during vigorous veg growth. Had room for the runt which is making me wish we'd had coir as it is no longer the smallest. Deserves a 3 gallon tbh. Kept a big one, that i had accidentally topped, to be a mother. Applied HST to the larger lower limbs. everything seems to be growing out flatter, most of the height differential is due to transplanting. The little one has a buried stalk.
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Week 5. Vegetation
7 years ago
17.78 cm
18 hrs
24 °C
5.8
No Smell
55 %
20 °C
11 L
0 L
50.8 cm
Nutrients 5
Armor Si - Terra Aquatica
Armor Si 5 mll
CALiMAGic  - Terra Aquatica
CALiMAGic 4 mll
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 7.1 mll
Fim experiment going well. Hoping to use it with clones, thatll be different obviously but still. Couple had to be topped. Took the first nodes off of the bottom 4 branches for crowding prevention. will expect to have some bottom suckers to take off soon. Drastic difference in height still, though the small ones are recovering. Depends which took least to the transplant (mykos and all) and which probably got double fimmed hard while recovering. Oh well, I have a good mother of these now assuming I like it. The crop should be acceptible, if hit and mis.
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Week 6. Vegetation
7 years ago
20.32 cm
18 hrs
24 °C
5.8
No Smell
55 %
20 °C
11 L
0 L
50.8 cm
Nutrients 5
Armor Si - Terra Aquatica
Armor Si 5 mll
CALiMAGic  - Terra Aquatica
CALiMAGic 4 mll
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 7.1 mll
Project "what if I dont kill my back spending like 30 hours a crop doing and adjusting LST ties" proceeds apace, with some of my "practice pot" (mostly THC, already have a mother). I plan on putting some of this knowledge into my clone sog. I have been doing some light hand bending of the branches and pruning nodes I htink will crowd, defoliating to encourage flatness with less time and effort. The fimmed ones are coming out well, and the topped ones should do fine. HST has been applied to the main cola at the base, and three nodes above it -- as well as every cola. Bonus shots of 7 month old Auto White Widow that like many of its sisters likes to reveg. Still havent scrapped it. Recently defoliated to go with the revegging. Really needs at least a 5 gallon and transplant, but besides the space I am shit out of coir and not buying more if I can help it. By the time I have more, hopefully it is already flowering. She's my mother's project, technically, but she's sick of it and I can't kill it.
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Jaindoh
Jaindohstarted grow question 7 years ago
How many others have otherwise healthy autos take 4+ months regularly? The one in my bonus pictures (not in the grow, didnt feel like moving it from tent) didnt even flower the first time until 3-4 weeks ago, 7 months in. We even quit fucking with it for two months completely.
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PharmaZ
PharmaZanswered grow question 7 years ago
Hey Jon did you see my RQS royal jack didn’t flower till week 7 going on 8 that’s 2 months I’d say long for an auto then flowered for 11 weeks. Worst part after all that the THC production was mediocre. The reason why my girl took so long, my best guess is too much deflotiation and LST, the strain can’t take it. Your auto looks extremely trained.
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Week 7. Vegetation
7 years ago
20.32 cm
12 hrs
25 °C
5.8
Weak
55 %
20 °C
11 L
0 L
50.8 cm
Nutrients 5
Armor Si - Terra Aquatica
Armor Si 1.321 mll
CALiMAGic  - Terra Aquatica
CALiMAGic 1.057 mll
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 2.272 mll
Day 4 of 12/12, no pistils. Tapered down. Re-defoliated. Have been doing LST by hand with no ties a bit daily. Regret not taking the first nodes, theyre going to be suckers. Had kind of intended to tie them down, in which case I would have twisted everything into the light. Might take them as clones, just -- nowhere to put them except into a quart jar. Having structured wide flat -- but not plate flat -- colas and ensured a compact structure with HST, I am hoping for dense buds and weight on small plants. Have seen good results before. Not used to FIM.
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Week 8. Flowering
7 years ago
20.32 cm
12 hrs
25 °C
5.8
Weak
55 %
20 °C
11 L
0 L
50.8 cm
Nutrients 5
Armor Si - Terra Aquatica
Armor Si 1.321 mll
CALiMAGic  - Terra Aquatica
CALiMAGic 1.057 mll
CANNA Coco A - Canna
CANNA Coco A 2.642 mll
Some plants have pistils, marking post Week One of flower. Suspect I didn't wash the coco enough despite doing it thoroughly. Switching to Canna brand is expensive enough to drive me to DWC instead. Got some apparent iron def even using calmag 4ml/gal every feed. Assuming the coir is leeching it. Might introduce during waters? Either way I got off on my watering schedule and skipped a feed. Either that or theyre trying to stretch and running into deficiencies, I've had that. Safe to say moving up to full normal strength Canna Coco schedule instead of light from here through end of main flowetring seems fine. Our water has low ppm. No burned tips so far to say the least. Had an accidental topping doing hand LST. Forgot about that part, they've gotten woody. Everything should be fine. Got rid of some weak fim nodes in the tops of the other plants to try to ensure large dense colas.
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Jaindoh
Jaindohcommentedweek 67 years ago
@PharmaZ I hear you about the LST, and figure it plays into account; however, consider why I'm perplexed: First off, I've met people who didnt screw with their autos who had at least 4 month grows. Furthermore.. ALL the other ones from this strain didnt do that at all, some finished at like 14 wks most within 2-4 after that. I did a 16 week green crack with this tech where they all finished at the same time. The mephistos handled it even better than that, with HST. Out of like twelve more of these total, four took 6+ months with the same tech as the others. This one even had literally two months with no training during which time it never flipped. I just can't even do autos anymore, it's too much of a roll of the dice. They seem to handle all the training just fine except for the phenos of specific strains that don't. The worst part is, I ran out of seeds thatd go with the autos and popped these freebies -- the 2-3 feet theyd reach in my tents would be really burnt at the top probably, before I bought the taller tent. Not training them was never an option.
PharmaZ
PharmaZcommented7 years ago
@Jaindoh, I hear you brother! I’ve never not trained a plant because I’ve always had “head room” and you’ve answered your own question on the theory. It’s specific phenos that can’t take it, so yes it’s a roll the dice whenever you’re training. After this royal jack grow I realise where I went wrong. It was a defoliation session just as she was entering flower. As you know some strains can take the constant abuse. But I guess this pheno couldn’t and slowed right down in flower production. I left her do her thing for 3-4 weeks as the flowers started to develop. Then I hit her again with another strip down. She handled it a lot better than the first but at no stage through flower was there “explosive growth” you sometimes notice. It was a linear amount of bud growth. Shit I know, moral of the story is don’t quit doing what you’re doing your a star, just quit doing it to the sensitive girls that like to cry. We need the heavy lifting woman! You know the ones I mean!!
Beans
Beanscommentedweek 57 years ago
Nice! I hope it works out, I'd like to see what you're able to do with that. I've expanded my set up as well. Still waiting on my 2 to finish then I have a gorilla glue my buddy gave me that wasnt doing well for him, trying to nurse it back to health. Then some clones of the spk and strawberry banana. Trying to work a rotation of 2 or 3 out then 2 or 3 in. Was gonna start a couple new diaries but idk what the hell my gameplan is exactly yet. Lol
Beans
Beanscommented7 years ago
@Jaindoh, I'm getting another 1 next week ✊ lol. I have several other lights I'm not using that I bought trying to go cheap and then replaced with slightly less cheap til I ended up where I am now and have 3rd tent already set up. Traded some clones for it out of my 1st batch just dont want to commit to it even tho I want some mothers. Thinking if I just keep cloning the 3 strains I have I can preserve them while only needing 2 tents. Plus my son is gonna be graduating high school next year but until then I'd rather keep my hobby out of the living room. Had some peppers and tomatoes in the tent out there but they're outside now. Gonna post some trichome pics later tonight. If you get a chance check em out n let me know what u think. I'm on the fence and getting anxious. Cant really tell if its go time or not. Lol
Jaindoh
Jaindohcommented7 years ago
@Beans, do not resist =p just wait until you can handle it. i'd more say get a second fixture just like that for that 4x4 minimum before moving up to a third tent anyways, but i have the three tents and a mother tent now and it's just finally wrapping around to where itll be *less* work as a hydro clone sog.
Beans
Beanscommented7 years ago
@Jaindoh, That's totally understandable and I appreciate the help. Ill make u proud 1 day lol. I'm switching to cob lights too. Just got a 200w cree for my 4x4 gonna use for flower. Want to get another but gotta wait til i can afford it. Got enough LEDs to light up my other 4x4 but I'm trying to resist the urge to have 3 tents in constant cycle lol.
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Beans
Beanscommentedweek 57 years ago
What's up, how u been? Just checking in on u , looks like you have had your hands full lol. Everything is looking good, keep up the good work.
Jaindoh
Jaindohcommented7 years ago
@Beans, oh most definitely hands full, everyone still going to hospital all the time and everything. the next one after the critical is a hydro grow, i have quart jars and net cups for kratky. if it works as well as my friend, i can veg a ton and pick the biggest ones to go into the top-fed dwc 10gals i plan on building. just put the first rooted clones (medical mass) into the net cups tonight =)
Quexos
Quexoscommentedweek 37 years ago
Only time will tell! Try to get some close up shots of your FIM. I'd like to see what you did. One of the seed strains that I won is Blue Dream CBD. I looked it up. It has 10% CBD! I was thinking you might be interested in a high CBD strain like that.
Jaindoh
Jaindohcommented7 years ago
@Quexos, The irony! HSO's Blue Dream CBD is literally the first item on my list when seeds come up in the budget! Seedsman didnt have those when I hit up their sale last time. That order I got 50 seeds for 116 shipped, combining all the promos... the blue dream CBD, just ten will cost that much. But building a mother set is worth it!
ChefDan420
ChefDan420commentedweek 67 years ago
Girlie in 3 gal pot has sick structure👍🏼🆒
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