Looks like I solved the problem with the Cheese, started giving it much less water and it is sprouting up like crazy
Same with the White Rhino, starting to find a nice balance of water per plant and finally started with some LST, they are taking very well to the LST so far especially with some defoliation, still trying very hard to figure out which are females and males so I can move them to bigger pots but so far they are happy with their current pot and no signs of any roots trying to get in through the bottom holes