@@resimax, ahh thanks, really no praise can be accepted here though. I did nothing, less than nothing, the plants were absolutely abused from start to finish. They were never fed, just repotted once, frequently dried out completely, frequently drowned. The plants did what the plants did, despite my best efforts to get in their way. I carried on half arsing things until about week four of the Karen/Bertha grows - from there I started trying, and you can tell.