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@Bakelsack, i appreciate it so much. I get asked this question alot and the weird thing is i didnt realize that my plants were anything special. I just thought they were like everyone elses. I truely dont know what i do besides love them so much. I really think my high pressure sodium light 1000 watt gives the cloest to the sun. I think not messing with them too much is important. Low stress training and that alone. Good food and alot of love. They do all the hard work. :muscle::pineapple: