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@001100010010011110, i don't give a shit if you select an answer, lol - the least important thing is that contest That's perfectly fine by me, I'm asking questions to gain knowledge. I'm sure if you do it enuogh you can find the point at which you get nearly guaranteed results but wether its 2+1 or 2+2 or 2+3 is maybe less certain (2 axilllary buds that exist plus what comes out of the mutilated growth tip). And this is exactly what I'm trying to understand โ€” where those "extra" nodes are supposed to pop out from? I'm not yet intimately familiar with the plant's anatomy, and it probably varies a lot depending on genetic composition. What I saw with my plant is that early veg structure is the following: there are nodes with two symmetrical fans on either side of the plant, and they rotate ~90 degrees on the next node, meaning the leaves are N-S on one node, then E-W on the next one etc. Branches grow just above petioles from the same "attachment" points, one branch per fan. So, my thinking was, if you Top (clip a grown internode in the centre), you keep the branches the plant already had, and after a quick wtf the plant redirects growth to those branches within 2-3 levels (nodes) below the cut. If you FIM, at least the way it's taught almost everywhere, you effectively top a yet-undeveloped internode and also damage two fans. Hopefully, the branches growing out of this node are small enough that you don't damage them, and thus you get the same as you would get after Topping, minus two healthy fans on the top remaining node. Same number of nodes, same number of branches, even if the top two branches are just tiny green dots you can barely distinguish at the time of clipping. Now, if the plant is capable of growing additional (extra) branches which do not follow the scheme I described above, I would be interested to know where they can grow from? Can more than two branches grow from one node? Can additional branches appear on internodes? I'm talking about regular healthy plants of common genetics, not some mutant oddities. It appears that later in the cycle, the node structure begins to change, and fans do not necessarily "attach" on the same level. There can be one fan and one branch, and then slightly above there'll be the second fan with its branch. It's kind of a "single-leaf/branch-node". Not sure if I managed to explain myself clearly enough, but in short my question is "where the fuck would those extra branches grow from", specific points/areas on the plant. And when they're called "extra" how do people know that the plant would not have grown exactly the same amount of branches, had the plant been topped (as in clipped in the middle of a developed internode)?
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@tangie, i don't give a shit if you select an answer, lol - the least important thing is that contest. and, you'll find a lot of people don't beleive what i said, but is in fact true. fimming is topping. topping is mutilating a portion of the plant to cause auxin to distribute more widely, causing more widely distributed growth. All that happens with a "FIM is that you don't quite cut off the growth tip and what remains can recover and form new axillary branches. You don't need to cut the fan leaves, like you said, so avoid it - just a portion of the growth tip is necessary. It's unpredictable and tough to plan around, so not something i've tried more than a few times for shits and grins. I'm sure if you do it enuogh you can find the point at which you get nearly guaranteed results but wether its 2+1 or 2+2 or 2+3 is maybe less certain (2 axilllary buds that exist plus what comes out of the mutilated growth tip). training will always be more efficient as far as saving vege time vs pruning growth off. There's no circumventing rate of growth that results from your environemnt. We can spread it out, but we can't change the overall rate too much. is it more efficient growth if spread out? maybe? but i wouldn't assume that. cutting off growth always is wasted resources/time. not saying it isn't useful or good to do, but that is what needs to be balanced when choosing to do so. With that sad i do both. i probably cost myself a 1-3 days of extra vege but it's a better distributed canopy - foundation of canopy anyway. As far as canopy management, i'd strongly recommend having an end goal/target and working backward from that to compose a strategy to get there. 2.5-3 colas per sq ft will ensure max yield and excellent light penetration while also fully covering the area. FIM'ing is 'neat' to showcase, but not something you can plan around consistently. it takes a little faith because even the first week of flower it's not fully filled in, but it'll get there. I'm sure i said it already -- cocoforcannabis.com has the best information with the least bro-science corruption. the guides and the dr photon's corner articles are all good. bruce bugbee is also another excellent no-frills source. IF it sounds like and advertisment with lots of bold promises, it's probably bogus information. "25% greater yield!" bullshit, lol.. unless it's supplementing co2, and even that isn't cost-effective.
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