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Flowering day 25 since time change to 12/12 h. Hey guys :-) . The ladies are developing more and more beautiful and fat week after week 😊. The tent fills up perfectly 👌. I removed the bottom shoots to allow the energy to flow to the top buds. This week it was watered 3 times with 1.3 l each (nutrients see table above) Otherwise everything was cleaned and checked. Have fun and stay healthy 💚🙏🏻 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼 You can buy this Nutrients at : https://greenbuzzliquids.com/en/shop/ With the discount code: Made_in_Germany you get a discount of 15% on all products from an order value of 100 euros. 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼 You can buy this strain at : https://www.exoticseed.eu/ Water 💧 💧💧 Osmosis water mixed with normal water (24 hours stale that the chlorine evaporates) to 0.2 EC. Add Cal / Mag to 0.4 Ec Ph with Organic Ph - to 5.8 - 6.5 MadeInGermany
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She is doing well. I have only done a solution change. Will be switching to flowering next update. She is in a New Level Hydro bucket, under a Spider Farmer SE5000 light. Thank you Spider Farmer, New Level Hydro, and Quebec Seeds. 🌱🤜🤛🌱 Thank you grow diaries community for the 👇likes👇, follows, comments, and subscriptions on my YouTube channel👇. ❄️🌱🍻 Happy Growing 🌱🌱🌱 https://youtube.com/channel/UCAhN7yRzWLpcaRHhMIQ7X4g SE5000 https://amzn.to/3qFpAML Spider Farmer Official Website Links: US&Worldwide: https://www.spider-farmer.com UK: https://spiderfarmer.co.uk CA: https://spiderfarmer.ca EU: https://spiderfarmer.eu AU: https://spiderfarmer.com.au Coupon Code: saveurcash Www.newlevelhydro.com Www.hygrozyme.com
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Hey everyone! So this week has been pretty good, no sort of issues really as I've decided to incorporate kelp meal into my next grow. With 4 weeks left of flowering, I feel this won't affect harvest too much considering my last group was showing cal/mag deficiencies before even going into flowering. Anywho, this bad boy is a monster and the buds are getting fat. I brushed up against some sticky leaves and all you can smell are literal blackberries with a skunky pungent smell to it. Exciting :) Buds are getting fat by the day, about toonie sized and getting some vertical growth to them..nice pine cones ;) Smell is incredible in the tent...sweet, skunky berries. Bye for now guys!
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**Encontrarás la traducción a español al final de la descripción** From/Desde: 22/03/19 || To/Hasta: 28/03/19 From day/Desde día: 29 || To day/Hasta día: 35 You can find the Money Maker Diary here: ** Podéis encontrar el diario de las Money Maker aquí:** https://growdiaries.com/diaries/25667-gorillamakingmoney-gorilla-vs-money-m -----IMAGES & VIDEOS----- Video 1: Exactly the same video as 2 but accelerated +400% to fix it to 1 minute for instagram. Video 2: 7 days (29~35) TimeLapse, 1 image each 60 secs @ 30 fps Video 9: An overview video not as awesome as it's music 😂💪 Video 10: Myself working on the babies, lowering tops, topping & training. Video 12: Full working on the secondary Gorilla, twisting some branches, topping & training. -----WEEK SUMMARY----- Well, now i'm getting a bit scared as i adventured myself into Photoperiod, high training, full topping... in indoors at once. I feel that plants are going good, but i really don't know what am i doing, and if i'm doing well. Also i don't know how much time should i give them of vegetation stage, because i don't want to eternalize myself with this tent, so i'm planning to leave this upcoming 6th week and maybe the 7th of vegetation, but no more. Anyway they look pretty atm 😻. In video 10 the main-linning Gorilla suffered an accident as i grabbed the main left branch from a weak point and it has broken (sec 39 aprox.) so it has one less node than the right branch. -----WATERING CALENDAR----- 24/03/19 - 1.000 ml with all week nutrients @ 0.9 E.C. PH5.8 *****ESPAÑOL***** -----IMÁGENES & VÍDEOS----- Vídeo 1: TimeLapse, exactamente el mismo vídeo que el 2 pero acelerado a un poco más del 300% para ajustarlo a 1 minuto para Instagram. Vídeo 2: 7 días (29~35) TimeLapse, 1 imagen cada 60 segundos @ 30 fps. Vídeo 9: Un vídeo general no tan increíble como la música de fondo 😂💪. Video 10: Trabajando en las pequeñas, rebajando las alturas, haciendo topping y entrenando. Video 12: Trabajando a pleno en la segunda Gorilla, girando algunas ramas, haciendo toppings y entrenándola. -----SUMARIO SEMANAL----- Bueno, ahora estoy empezando a estar asustado. Me he aventurado a probar con fotodependientes, entrenamiento fuerte y super topping, todo a la vez. Siento que las plantas van bien, pero realmente no se lo que estoy haciendo ni si lo estoy haciendo bien. También tengo dudas sobre cuanto tiempo más dejarlas en estado vegetativo ya que no me quiero eternizar con este armario, por lo que estoy planeando dejar esta sexta semana de crecimiento y quizás una séptima, pero no más. Aun así y con todo, las nenas se ven preciosas 😻. En el vídeo 10 sufro un accidente en la Gorila con main-linning ya que amarré el final del tallo principal izquierdo por un punto débil y este se partió (sec 39 aprox.), por lo que tiene un piso de topping de más en comparación con tallo derecho. -----CALENDARIO DE RIEGO----- 24/03/19 - 1.000 ml con todos los nutrientes semanales @ 0.9 E.C. PH5.8
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Week 10 done and dusted!!! She is as monsterous as ever 😂 Flowering going well! She is drinking an absurd amount! Probably 3 litres a day easy. I look forward to harvesting her tent-mates in the coming weeks so she can be spread out a bit better. I am pretty sure if she was grown alone, she would have filled up the entire tent. She is a prodigious grower!!
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Day 15-05/11/21 it’s the Start of week 2 of veg everything is looking good hopefully my Mars hydros are here in next few days!!! Day 16-06/11/21 today plants are looking really good I gave them there first bit of biobizz grow!! Day 17-07/11/21 nothing new today no need for watering probably water tomorrow!!! Day 18-08/11/21 didn’t give them anymore water today but defenitly will be watering tomorrow!!!! Day 19-09/11/21 i gave them all i nice 750ml of water today with biobizz grow all looking good!!! I started a new YouTube so if everyone who reads this could subscribe I would really appreciate it!!! Day 20-10/11/21 nothing new today all looking good!!!! Day 21-11/11/21 nothing new today I tried some training on about 3 of them that u see in the video they don’t seem to need water today but most definitely will tomorrow!!!
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Harvested. This is the way I'm doing most harvests now.. As you can't rate a pheno on just its apparence I feel. So from now on, smoke review will be all done and rated on the same to make it fair. As after an hour of harvest you can't change the ratings, and how can you tell how strong a strain is until you try it. 112days total under the light. I Added up the cost of this light running. Worked out at 177euro, now the 1st 50days was only ran under a 100w. I've already gotten 150g from 2 plants, and expecting another 250ish so 177euro +/- 5euro for 400ish grams of some of the best bud I've got so far, is more than a deal for me. As in my country it's 150euro for 14grams of good weed, so 400g, well, not so hard to do the math. Even if I got just 150 I'd just be as happy with that. I'm 4 days in. Keeping RH between 58-61%, have the dehumidifier set in the dry room. Temperature ranges from 20-22c. Mostly stays at 21c. Was able to take a HST'ed cola, removing it was no stress as the stress was already done when it HST'ed itself. It's 18g after 4 days of drying. The bud is so so dense, definitely hitting A grade appreance, let's see if we get A grade taste/stone results. This was 1 of the mid range colas, there is much bigger but I won't be removing them, but if this is anything to go by, I should get 100ish grams when its dry of some of the biggest buds I've seen in a while. The smell has got more pungent, but it 100% needs a cure. No hay/grassey smell as of yet, (this comes from been dried wrong, either 2 fast with 2 humid conditions, too hot, or your environment is jumping all over the place. I've been able to get rid of most of it as it goes after a week or 2 from the cure but there's 2 plants that still have a some what hay smell. But it's going. Was given her last heavy watering last week and then was given 1L of Terra Powers finisher and I let the soil get dry under the light, and when I felt it was dry but not hitting the stress factor in the substrate I put into dark rest, (soil will stop drying out, as photosynthesis has stopped), dark rested 48hrs, uprooted, and hung whole. Thanks to my sponsors from marshydro led lights and Terra Power Nutrients, and to the 2 reps I dealt with, great ladies. COUPON FOR MARSHYDRO Use code GGS at any marshydro site for a small discount.
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Hallo zusammen 🤙. Sie wächst sehr schön und macht keine Probleme 🤙 https://seedsmafia.com/de/
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Day 50 - Starting week 8 and damn she’s getting some nice fat and tight buds. Not really y’all but she’s definitely going to be nice and dense. Will be giving her a feeding of nutes tomorrow. Day 51 - Looking good and fattening up nicely! Looking forward to this girl finishing but still a few weeks away. Gave her a full feeding of the foxfarm trio today. Day 52 - She’s fattening up nicely and think I should get a pretty decent yield out of her when she’s done. I wish my camera would show the colors like I can see in person but all kinds or oranges, yellows, greens in there. She’s a beautiful plant. Did a little leaf tucking and don’t really want to do any defoliation until I know she’s coming to an end. Day 53 - Looking nice and fat! Absolutely love what she looks like and how fat she’s getting. Only took her out to see if she needed some water, tuck a few leaves and to get some daily pics. Still a couple weeks left from what I can tell but looking forward to the harvest. Day 54 - Gave her some fresh pH’d water and cal-mag tonight, the pot felt like nothing but air. She’s really starting to drink heavily and is going through about 1/2-3/4’s a gallon of water every two days. She’s not really stretching but her buds are getting nice and plump. Will most likely give her a feeding of nutes on Saturday. Day 55 - No real updates today, she’s chugging along and really getting plump. I do see a little bit of foxtailing in my LSD-25 grow but nothing like that with this girl. Nice round, fat and starting to stretch a little bit buds. All in all this is gonna be a great grow and harvest. Day 56 - It’s the end of week 8 and this baby is looking great. Didn’t really do anything to her today but removed a couple of fan leaves in the middle that were in the way of the light. Will give her a feeding of nutes tomorrow.
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Info: Unfortunately, I had to find out that my account is used for fake pages in social media. I am only active here on growdiaries. I am not on facebook instagram twitter etc All accounts except this one are fake. Flowering days 14 since time change to 12/12 h. Hey everyone ☺️. We are in the second week of flowering and she is still developing very well :-). Very nice growth so far :-). This week it was poured twice with 1.2 l each time. The tent was cleaned and the humidifier refilled. I wish you all a lot of fun until the next update. Stay healthy 🙏🏻 You can buy this Strain at : https://www.zamnesia.com/de/3271-zamnesia-seeds-blue-dream-feminisiert.html Type: Blue Dream ☝️🏼 Genetics: Blueberry x Haze 20% Indica / 80% Sativa 👍 Vega lamp: 2 x Todogrow Led Quantum Board 100 W 💡 Bloom Lamp : 2 x Todogrow Led Cxb 3590 COB 3500 K 205W 💡💡☝️🏼 Soil : Canna Coco Professional + ☝️🏼 Fertilizer: Green House Powder Feeding ☝️🏼🌱 Water: Osmosis water mixed with normal water (24 hours stale that the chlorine evaporates) to 0.2 EC. Add Cal / Mag to 0.4 Ec Ph with Organic Ph - to 5.5 - 5.8 .
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Blue Dream Xtreme Is doing her thing. I have been having the most issue with this plant. Curious to see how she turns out. She is in a New Level Hydro bucket, under a Spider Farmer SE5000 light. Thank you New Level Hydro, Spider Farmer, and Amsterdam Marijuana Seeds.💪❄️🌱🤜🤛 Http://amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com Thank you grow diaries community for the 👇likes👇, follows, comments, and subscriptions on my YouTube channel👇. ❄️🌱🍻 Happy Growing 🌱🌱🌱 https://youtube.com/channel/UCAhN7yRzWLpcaRHhMIQ7X4g SE5000 https://amzn.to/3qFpAML Spider Farmer Official Website Links: US&Worldwide: https://www.spider-farmer.com UK: https://spiderfarmer.co.uk CA: https://spiderfarmer.ca EU: https://spiderfarmer.eu AU: https://spiderfarmer.com.au Coupon Code: saveurcash Www.newlevelhydro.com Www.hygrozyme.com
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Lowered the lights a good 8-10inches just because i realized i could get them closer without burning! Going for around 6-7 inches above canopy getting the temp in the high 70s low 80s om top canopy. All pheno are getting very unique and super resinous! I have a slight lnat problem going to spray this week when i get paid
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7/25 Did two videos this morning. One where I was only going to water the 3 gallons I had mixed up but it's going to be very hot this week. Didn't want to make the same mistake as last time so I watered everything AT LEAST A GALLON. I need to bump up the volume during these really hot, humid days abd it doesn't get worse then this. Things are getting dusty. Found an inch worm and some minor pest damage. Once it cools down ill spray something. Also noticing small nitrogen deficiency that takes a leaf and moves up the plant a little bit. I'm going to need to start nutes this week. I'll keep this updated. Went back over around one and everything was looking fantastic! Took a few pictures and defoliated a few leaves. UPDATE: I GOT A MESSAGE FROM DAD SAYING MY PLANTS LOOKED DROOPY. I HADNT MADE IT OVER FOR MY NIGHTLY INSPECTION BUT HAVING WATERED YESTERDAY I WAS THINKIBG OF SKIPPING IT. GOT THERE AND SAW THE FIRST 10TH PLANET DROOPY. ALL THE TENTH PLANETS LOOK RELATIVELY THE SAME BUT ONE OF THEM IS MY "CANARY IM A COAL MINE" AS IT DROOPS WAY BEFORE THE OTHERS. THE TWO BLUE CHEESES IN 20S THAT DRY OUT FASTER GOT TWO GALLONS AS DID MY 10TH PLANET CANARY AND MY BIG BLUE IN THE 50. ITS BEEN 90S AND SUNSHINE AND ITS ONLY GOING TO GET HOTTER. I HAVE THINGS GOING ON IN THE MORNING SO I WONT HE ABLE TO WATER. I NOTICED MORE NITROGEN DEFICIENCY RISING IN THE BLUECHEESE THAT DRINKS ALL THE WATER. OBVIOUSLY ILL NEED TO ADD NUTES SOONER THAB LATER CONSIDERING IM IN FLOWER BUT THE PLANTS ARE STILL A NICE GREEN AMD ONLY LOSING VERY FEW LEAVES. I ACTUALLY SAW A COUPKE BURNT LEAF TIPS ON A COUPKE PLANTS AFTER I WATERED WITH THE KELP ME/YOU. THIS SOIL IS AWESOME. WHAT IS THIS? WEEK 16 AND STILL GOING STRONG. WHEN I DO DECIDE TO START NUTES ILL TEST IT ON THAT BLUE CHEESE THATS FURTHER IN SENESCENCE. I TOOK A QUICK VIDEO ILL UPLOAD TOMORROW. 7/26 Had a bear come around my cage and getting into out bird feeders. Bent the iron shelerds hook all the way to the ground! Getting AMMONIA now to try and keep him away. Bags were heavy this morning but it's going to be really hot again. It'll be on the 90s the next few days so I need to be very careful. After we get through this I'll do an app of BT. Garden looks fantastic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lants are looking FANTASTIC this morning. Soil is still damp this morning and bags are heavy as hell. They look super happy. Obviously my watering situation depends on the weather. Today and tomorrow are supposed to be the hottest days so I wanted to make sure the plants had sufficient water before this. I'll let them dry out totally before watering again. There's another four lined plant big somewhere that sat there and destroyed another leaf. I'm AT LEAST spraying with BT after this heat wave. Supposed to rain a little today with thunderstorms. I haven't got my supports up yet but if i need to I coukd throw my tarps up real quick. Don't think I'll need to though. These are some tough freaking plants and I am super proud of how they've turned out thus far. UPDATE: WENT BACK OVER AND RE APPLIED BLEECH TO THE RAGS AND ON THE PERIMETER OF MY CAGE. I TACKED A FEW MORE DRYER SHEETS UP. REASON I DID THIS WAS BECAUSE WEVE BEEN GETTING HORRIBLE THUNDER STORMS WITH TORRENTIAL RAIN. THE WEATHER MAN HAD BEEN WRONG SEVERAL TIMES WARNING OF THUNDER STORMS AND WE WOULDNT GET SHIT. THIS TIME IT WAS PRETTY BAD. TOOK A SHORT VIDEO. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE HOTTEST DAYS TODAY AND TOMORROW. I DIDNT NOTICE ANY BREAKAGE AND I DONT SEE ANY ON MY CAMS. IM SURE ITS NOT THAT MUCH RAIN AND THOSE NAHS WILL DRY OUT SOON. I NEED TO GET MORE PH DOWN AND DECIDE WHAT IT IS IM GOING TO DO FOR NUTES IN FLOWER AND MAKE UP MY MIND. 7/28 Huge thunderstorms all day yesterday and through the night with high wonds. Plants made it through unscathed despite the lack of a trellis. Today is supposed to be the hottest of these days. I think the hear wave ends today. I really need to get my supports up. I'm super lucky to not have had any breaks during the storm. I have a couple of videos I did but I didn't upload them earlier and now that I'm back in the woods I doubt they'll upload now. I'll give it a shot. If not I'll put them up tomorrow. OH! I found that four lined plant bug that had been fucking up my leaves and squished him. Well I hope it was him. If not I killed a sibling at least. UPDATE: JUST WOW. This morning all drooped over from the storm went over at 4 and its still 90 and they seem to have grown sic inches and jumped forward WAY more into flower. I am amazed. I'll upload a photo or two but I took a video I'll put up tomorrow. Super stoked. Oh and you can give me a red smile face for not using nutes every week @growdiaries but you point out the deficiency then I'll fix it. 7/29 Plants looking fantastic this morning. UPDATE: PLANNED ON NOT GOING TO THECGROW TOMOGHT SEEING THAT IT HAD RAINED SO HARD AMD THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GET RAIN TONIGHT. I GET THERE AT ABOUT FIVE AND MY CANARY AND A FEWCOTHERS WERE DROOPING! IT WAS IN THE 80S ALL DAY. I GAVE EACH PLANT A GALLON OF WATER. THE GROW BAGS ON THE TEO WORST PLANTS WERE SUBSTANTIALLY LIGHTER THAN THE REST. I HOPE IM NOT OVERWATERING. THE PLANTS SEEMED TO PICK BACK UP AFTER WATERING BUT ILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW TO UPLOAD MY PICTURES AND VIDEOS. I NEEDED TO ADD TEMPORARY SUPPORTS TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLANTS. IM CERTAINLY GLAD I GOT THE URGE TO GO OVER. WHAT A CHANGE IN A FEW HOURS 7/30 Plants are really growing fast and transitioning quick to flower. We got almost no rain so I'm glad I watered like I was supposed to even though the bags had some heft to them. I'm noticing more pest damage. I'm thinking a bt spray tonight might be beneficial. I'll look through what I've got on hand. I may just give them an application of spinosid but we'll see. I still need to move things and put my supports up. Medical problems have slowed me down. UPDATE: Went to check the plants around 3 and they looked great. Bags were still heavy and a little bit moist. I think with the added rain some of the plants may have been overwatered. I should have only watered tue bags that felt light. There is only one plant now that looks a little overwatered and even that is looking good. I found some more minor pest damage. Winds were fairly high. I wondered about my trellis netting but it hadn't been sanitized and my plants are very healthy so I decided to wait. I watched them dance like willows in the wind. I know it won't be like that with big ol colas on them but for right now it's working out just fine. Goal for next week is to move the front row back and move things around to better utilize space, possibly spray for pest and add supports for final flowering after I get the plants situated how I want them. If I do it right I may be able to lst some. Also took a 2 minute video but I cant upload until tomorrow. 7/31 I'm wondering about my watering habits. This morning I watered a couple blue cheese and purple punch plants with just a half gallon as they were light and looked drooping. I'm wonderingvif I'm overwatering. Some plants still seem heavy while others are light? I think the plants may have been overwatered due to the torrential rain and my taking less time hand watering. Hopefully I won't come home from this doctors appointment to wilted plants but I really doubt it. 10th planet requires far less water than the two other strains. Even specific phenos require more water and its difficult with the different size containers but im working with what ive got. I need more ph down and I've gotta get these plants supported. These are some massive plants. Store was closed. Dispensary was opened. Showed my buddy the video then it started raining. By the time I got there the plants looked horrible. Everything was droopy but a couple were really bad. A few weren't bad at all. Actually the one in the ten needed it. I think I just need to give more water at a time and document how I water each plant individually. I also need to take into consideration the weather. Hard to do when it's so unpredictable. I'll wait for them to dry out and then I plan to start low doses of big bloom and grow big but I need to wait for them to dry out first. Then next watering they'll get some nutes. It's sunny now so I may go check my plants. I may also put a fan out for a while on the bags. That might help them out.
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Hello Bros&Sis! Ciao!😊 this time I've decided to made a video update, from the start of the week to the finish, we're gonna see some BIG differences! (The longest is from the end) About the ladies: Girls in coco Royal AK- she's drinking every single drop op solution and has literally exploded! I'm really happy about her training (top/lst/hst). A very strong strain. OG Kush- I don't get this girl, she's definitely not an heavy drinker. Speedy Chile FF- when I re-potted her into 6lt pot, some of my Bros hoped for a Baobab, what do you think?😂 (has some mutations, has a growth of 3 leaves and then 2 branches have joined together and the other has grown normally) Ladies in Soil: UK Cheese auto- I've broke a branch due to heavy crop. Lesson learned. Pink Doc CBD auto- she's growing good, finally! The only thing I'm worried about is that she will not grow so much, because switch is near. Candy Kush Express- A really nice lady, not too tall, good side branches and she take everything with no care less (one of the most "broken" in the tent) Special Kush#1- She likes her new pot, but there's something wrong (see leaves) maybe related to VPD or RU? I've used different techniques on this ladies, but the one I like the most is cropping the branches and the main stems and also broke the branches where meets the stems, to give'em more power, and more "space" for nutrients transports in sight of bloom! That's all mate, we will see soon for the next update! Ciao!😙 (hey @Growdiaries if you want to use my video, feel free to do it, but please, don't change the music, it's already on YT and for CC use)