Original Sensible Seeds - Frosted Guava 🍈 Enjoy - Week 9 👨🏻‍🌾❄️ - 25-28 grad Celsius - 55-60% humidity level - 20l Air-Pot (75% BioBizz All-Mix, 25 % BioBizz Worm Humus) - RO-water (PH 6,25) Sanlight Evo 3-60 40%: about 400 PPFD Spider Farmer Glow30 6h/18h on

vamos a poner a lavar las raíces de las White Widow y la Mamá mía ya están listas, el sistema Critical sigue en floración la Swiss cheese esta imprable, tiene muy grandes sus pistilos y huele bastante bien

Muy caros los productos, efectivos pero me sigen pareciendo caros, probaré nuevas gamas! Un saludo

Things are good on the home front 😌 xl girl is flowering in full.. she also seems to be enjoying the lst. Hope everyone had a great Christmas 🎄 😊. This Red Strawberry banana looks like she is ripening.

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Hello Diary. It has completed its sixth week of flowering, a total of 9 weeks since Watermelon sprouted. As can be seen in the photos, most of the leaves have turned yellow and do not look pretty. The consequences are probably over-feeding at some point, plus, the harvest is approaching and the leaves get a more yellowish color. As for the flowers, they look beautiful, have taken on a purple color and are covered with trichomes. The smell is intense. I would like to mention that over-feeding reflected a lot on Watermelon which was not the case with her roommates Purple Punch with whom she shares “Farm”. So I advise future growers to be more careful with adding nutrients. Watering is every three days, I regulate or lower the p.H of water to values ​​between 6.1 and 6.5. And I do that with every preparation of water for irrigation. I stopped adding any additives the previous week so they get clean water. Let’s take a look at the review of the week. 26/03/2021 - Day 59. Watering. p.H. water I regulated to 6.4 Temp / Humidity on the farm - 25 degrees and 32% humidity. 29/03/2021 - Day 62. Watering. p.H - 6.3 Temp / Humidity on the farm - 25 degrees and 36% humidity. 30/03/2021 - Day 63. Photography. This time I didn't photograph them on a black background, I didn't want to stress them too much, I'll take detailed photos for the end anyway. That’s it for this week, without much excitement, I’m patiently waiting for the harvest. See you soon.

Look how sophisticated plants are. I took 3 snapshots from my grow room during dark period and put them into a short 3 frame video. my plants were introduced to 12-12 just a few days ago. first frame is 1 hour after lights out second frame is 7 hours after lights out third last frame is 1 before lights turn on. Look how plant know when light is about to turn - the leaves lift as it gets closer to the end of 12 hours of dark. Do not pay attention to timestamps - its wrong its just 6 days of 12-12 and they already adjusted to that.....i think its amazing.

First week of flower has been great! They’re stretching very nicely, I backed the nutrients down a little bit this week because I saw some leafs curling in when adding some bloom nutrients. But all is well. My critical +2.0 in soil is growing very well and keeping up with the canopy, the Alaskan Purple isn’t quite stretching as much.

12/09/2025 Last week of nutes and last week of real flowering. Both ladies look just about done. Papaya Cookies is nearly there. Lemon Cherry Cookies isn't too far behind either. But she definitely has the whole week plus a couple days to go. Papaya Cookies might be done by the end of the week, if not sooner. I might have to push her a little more so I can harvest them at the same time. I won't be changing out the water until after lights out as I always do. So today will just be a plain water top off. Well, that's been everyday for like 2 weeks. Lol. But, I noticed both ladies definitely didn't drink as much as usual last night. Another sign that they are almost done. Normally it's close to a gallon a day. This was about a half gallon. Anyway, I won't be recording the morning readings as the water will be changed out today. If it were under the normal night and day schedule, it would be easier to do this, but the AI suggested this time of day for lights out. It's warmer now than at night. Obviously. Lol. So now I have to wait for lights on after the plants have had their rest to change the water out. Then we can take readings. Next week, which will only be 3 or 4 days, I'll be doing a slow wet trim. Or I guess the defoliation I should have done 2 months ago. Anyway, I'll be pulling anything with a reachable stem. I won't be cutting the sugar leaves. That's after drying with my new cannabrush. We'll see how well this baby works. On a final note before lights out, Papaya Cookies has a few buds that are nearly done on the bottom and they are super hard. Really nice smalls. There's a bit of larf, and I can't really reach the buds in the middle, but they seem to be the ones taking the longest. So I think we'll be waiting for those ones to finish. Lemon Cherry Cookies is kind of the same. Lots of bud in the middle that I can't reach. They aren't done and still have loads while pistils. But the buds on top are still swelling, so that's a good thing. We'll definitely see some bigger buds from this little lady. Good afternoon everyone. It's 6:41pm. New water new nutes cut in half. Readings: Papaya Cookies: pH: 5.8 EC: 824 TDS: 409 Lemon Cherry Cookies: pH: 5.8 EC: 874 TDS: 439 So it's 10 pm and I decided to check the pH and whatnot. It spiked to 6.8. What is happening? I cannot get it to stay in range. I don't know what to do here. It has to be something in the roots. I wonder if it's my tap water. It seems to have worsened since I started using it, but I can't afford distilled bottles. I will be ordering distilled for the 3 day flush. But that's only 3 days and I'm saving up for it. Back to the matter at hand. pH spiking. Both plants. The EC and TDS also increased. Not by much, but still increased. The goal is to decrease. Hopefully, with the lower nutes, the roots or whatever gets diluted enough to slow everything down. They're already not drinking as much. So there's very little time. I wanted to get it corrected by today. But nope. Nothin doin. Well, I guess I'll be checking the pH tomorrow morning and changing the water out. I might have to change it in the morning and after lights out. We shall see. If it drops, I'm going to pH it back to 5.8 and leave the water alone. That's the plan. 12/10/2025 So today I checked the readings like everyday. BUT today my back is killing me and I can't lift the shit. It's really annoying. So frustrating. Anyway, Lemon Cherry Cookies didn't change one bit overnight. pH is still at 6.8. the EC and TDS are also in roughly the same spot. But she did drink about a half a gallon and there was no change, so that's good. No increase in nutrient concentration. But the pH man, the pH is brutal. Papaya Cookies dropped her pH down to 6.6, so that's good. Not in range, but still good. Her EC and TDS are also about the same. So same situation but a lower pH. So I popped 3 ml of pH down in and mixed it up. Half gallon went into each container. It did nothing to Lemon Cherry Cookies. The pH stayed the same. But the EC and TDS dropped a little. Papaya Cookies with the gallon, dropped down to 6.2 and the EC and TDS dropped a little bit as well. Readings: Lemon Cherry Cookies: pH: 6.74 EC: 922 TDS: 465 Papaya Cookies: pH: 6.5 EC: 867 TDS: 430 Forget everything you just read. LMAO. The numbers increased. I guess it's just a waiting game now. I'm gonna pH the water for both ladies after lights out. This morning I just added the plain pHed water. And not much happened. It's the roots. Gotta be. There's nothing left to look at. Well there's the tiny dose of nutes, but I don't think that's the problem. It could also be from the water itself. It's pretty hard. But I have no idea what to do about that. Is there a water softener that can be used in a bucket? Or would that be a really bad idea? Also, I just thought about this yesterday when I was removing Lemon Cherry Cookies from her bucket into the reserve for the water swap. As we all know, the tail of the roots is super long. So I have to lift it with my hands out of the water. My question is why didn't it ball up like Papaya Cookies? I think they have the same amount of roots, but Papaya Cookies has an actual ball where Lemon Cherry Cookies has a tail and smaller root ball. What gives? Anyway, that was my weekly WTF question. Next week it's gonna be something like why won't this carboflush work? Should I add more? Should I swap out the water... Again?... You know. I'm implementing Murphy's Law here. What can go wrong will go wrong. LMAO. It's all good. I'm preparing for that exact question. I bet it's gonna be increasing EC and TDS levels. That's gonna be the problem. And no idea how to solve it. Swap out the water every few hours? That's crazy. Maybe one or two swaps every day, but not every few hours. A waste of carboflush and water. So I'm super concerned with who will finish first. Papaya Cookies looks like she could be done by the end of the week. Lemon Cherry Cookies looks like she could use the whole week and then some. I know I said this last week, but it is a real concern. And I still have nowhere to put the other tent. But it's only for a few days and not an entire week. Well, hopefully not an entire week. I have to trim in the tent so I can kinda keep the smell concealed. The fan on level 10 with just a side door open should be fine. Plus, I'm only taking off the sugar leaves at that point. So it should be a little faster with this brush thing and less smell will escape. Oh, I'll be using Grove Bags for the curing process. I really do like them. But I still need to add a Bovida pack because of the dry winter air. 12/11/2025 Morning readings after correction. Papaya Cookies: pH: 5.95 EC: 763 TDS: 381 Lemon Cherry Cookies: pH: 6.2 EC: 946 TDS: 473 I got a couple trichome videos posted for everyone to see. I actually haven't watched them yet, so I'll update shortly. But in bigger news. I found a full fledged flower on Lemon Cherry Cookies this morning. Complete with 1 seed. Then I found a bud with 3 seeds. Not developed yet, but there nonetheless. So that explains why she's taking longer to finish up. I'm hoping it was isolated and those are the only ones. I looked all through the bottom where I found the 2 sites. I think I found one more, but I left it alone. My question is, if I clear out the seeded sites, will the plant mature faster? Good question right?! Because what I read was that seeded cannabis plants will take longer to mature because of seed production, as seeds take 6 to 8 weeks to mature.i had a gorilla cookies that went for like 21 weeks because it got seeded everywhere. No clue how, I never found the pollen sacks. But that plant was super healthy and HUGE. Well huge for an Autoflower in a 3x3 tent with 3 more plants in there. Anyway, I'll definitely have to bring out the 2x2 now. As I said, I have trichome videos and I haven't seen them yet. But I have a feeling that Papaya Cookies is just about finished. As in I could probably start the flush this weeks as I suspected. We'll see though. Oh speaking of healthy plants. Lemon Cherry Cookies is also still unhealthy. I spoke too soon. Still locked out and now more leaves are turning yellow. The weird thing is, I added a very small amount of nutrients. How there's still an issue I don't know. I guess just wait longer? 🤔 Ok, so I just watched both videos. Lemon Cherry Cookies definitely has more time to go. The trichomes are mostly clear toward the middle of the plant. So she definitely has more time to go. Hopefully with any luck, she'll mature by the end of the week. Papaya Cookies has almost all cloudy trichomes. I like a bit of amber in the mix and there is none. So I'm going to wait for Sunday I think then start flushing her. I'll flush for 3 days. So that will be finished on Tuesday. And that's when I should be able to start flushing Lemon Cherry Cookies. Then I chop Papaya Cookies and hang her up. At the same time, I do a 3 day dark period for Lemon Cherry Cookies while she finishes up. In the meantime, Papaya Cookies is happily drying right above her. I'm still trying to figure out the best way to work the environment. I'm thinking I can just keep the temp at around 66° and bring the humidity up to 50% I think that's good. I have to look into it. But it's only for a few days and there's still plenty of airflow. I will be turning 1 fan off though. As to not disturb Papaya Cookies while she dries. Plus I don't need 2 fans for 1 plant this size. So yah, that's my plan. And as long as it works I'm good to go. If it doesn't work, I'll have to bring out the 2x2 and hook it up to the 3x3 and use that exhaust to pull from the tent. I have an extra fan so I can run that as well. For air circulation. Not too sure how I'm gonna keep the humidity up in there. Hmmmm. That's not good. I can definitely keep the temp low, but the humidity is super dry here right now. Well, it'll be 3 days in the 3x3 drying so if the 3x3 isn't ready for both plants to dry, the 2x2 will only be used for like 7 days. With a 10 day dry, that is. I'd rather not rush the drying time. Although, if I can't figure out the humidity, I may be rushing it quite a bit. Like in a very bad way. So I hurt my back and am having trouble even checking the readings. Hopefully it's not all messed up. Also, I've been thinking. Both plants have nutrient lockout. Would it make sense to start flushing Papaya Cookies like tomorrow? She only has about a week left. 12/12/2025 Readings: Papaya Cookies: pH: 5.5 EC: 731 TDS: 364 Lemon Cherry Cookies: pH: 6.2 EC: 877 TDS: 438 So I think Papaya Cookies is just about done. Tons of cloudy pistils. But a lot of clear as well on certain parts. I was gonna wait to flush in 4 days, but I think she needs it now. I'll start the flush later this afternoon I think. Or tomorrow. It all depends on how I'm feeling. My back is still out for torture lunch. Fuck, it hurts. Lol. Anyway, I think she's really close to harvest. Lemon Cherry Cookies on the other hand definitely needs more time. The tops look fine, but the middle of the plant is loaded with unfinished larf. Larf I can press into concentrate. And frankly, I don't want to harvest just the top of the plant. However, when I pull Papaya Cookies out, I'm going to center Lemon Cherry Cookies in the tent. I'm thinking about tossing the trellis net on there and pull the top branches outward to open up the canopy. That should help with the lowers in finishing a little faster. We shall see how I feel about it. Maybe I'll ask around. Update: I moved a couple things around and setup my dry tent. It's going to be exhausted through the 3x3. I'm thinking about putting the exhaust fan up to help with air exchange. Like very low. Anyone think this is a bad idea? Another Update: So I decided to start the flush with Papaya Cookies. She's got plenty of cloudy trichomes. Some buds have some clear on them. The only buds that aren't ready are the ones in the center of the plant. Way in there. I expect they will be ready on the next week. Or 3 days. Lol. I figure if they have too much nutes, then Papaya Cookies should have enough to last a week or so. If that's how it works. We'll find out. 12/13/2025 Goooood Neews Everyone! Papaya Cookies is done. She has completed her grow journey with me and all of you. I'll be trimming anything with a stem. Today I did the front before the lights went out. I don't think I finished. But a lot, and I mean a lot, of the leaves have been absorbed by the buds, so I can't access the stems. These are regular fan leaves. The buds really aren't THAT big, but whatever. They stay on and will be brushed off with the Cannabrush. (Very excited to use that.) I should be able to access a lot of the stems after drying as well, so I can manicure them right out. I was considering doing a full wet trim and bucking them off into my drying rack. But, honestly it's not the best idea for me. Clearing out all the fan leaves is one thing, but a full wet trim is a lot of work especially for this plant. So many leaves. Very leafy plant. Good internodal spacing too. Not too tight, not too far away. Not to mention, I have the Lemon Cherry Cookies in the way as well. So it makes trimming about 60% of the plant a bit daunting. I was considering trying to find a way to bring the whole bucket in the dry tent so I can trim there, but alas, I don't have an air pump in that tent. I don't want to lose the bubbles quite yet. But also, I would have to detatch the lines from the air pump in the 3x3 just to bring them over to the dry tent with no light. Just not feeling it. Lemon Cherry Cookies seems to be doing about the same. Terrible. All the yellow leaves. The larf all over the bottom. Anyway, her pH was down today. Weird. But not far down. I got her to rest at 5.7 pH. I'm thinking I might be in the clear now. She's still swinging, but it's up and down and it's starting to level off. Not completely mind you, but leveling off nonetheless. It's a lot easier to get her back in range now. So that's really good. I recorded her readings, but for some reason the entry didn't save. So I'll have to take it again during lights on. And of course pH as needed. I'm trying to avoid it as much as possible for the next few days. Pulling her out that is, to pH. The drying tent is on her side and locked on. So if I really need to, I have to remove the duct from the 3x3 and pull the dry tent out so I can get access to the side door. Pain in the bottom parts. Both cheeks even. Topped her off with 1 ml of pH up at about a half gallon. Papaya Cookies was also a little low, but in range. I added some pHed water to top her off. Weirdly enough, she took almost the whole gallon. She hasn't done that in days. Is there a thing where the plant takes in more water because of a flushing agent? I wonder. 🤔 I'll have to look into that. Also, should I be adding more Carboflush to the top off? I don't really understand how it works. Unfortunately I have been in a bit of a situation and never really learned if you're supposed to add it in every time or not. I think it's just once per week, unless she's eating more and then add more. But she doesn't need food. So what do? Update: Papaya Cookies: This plant is so very leafy and sticky. I decided to trim the wall side and really couldn't get very far past the forest of buds and giant sugar leaves. And the big fan leaves that have no visible stem. There's lots more leaves to collect, but I just can't get to them. The plant is just too compact. 12/14/2025 Day 2 of flushing Papaya Cookies and honestly I haven't seen any change except for yellowing sugar leaves. Which was happening in the first place. Maybe I'm being impatient, but from what I've read, people only flush for 3 days when growing in DWC. I have been taking leaves off at a rapid pace, so maybe they aren't really turning yet. Could I be stressing the already done plant? Anyway, I'm done taking leaves for now. I can't reach all the way in the back nor on the right side. However, I did manage to get some of it. I might try to get to those two areas after I harvest. You know, hang her up and rotate her until I have all the stemmed fan leaves. Readings: Papaya Cookies: pH: 6.04 EC: 534 TDS: 263 Lemon Cherry Cookies pH: 5.75 EC: 795 TDS: 396 So I can't really tell, because I keep forgetting to check the EC and TDS before I pH and add water, but I think Lemon Cherry Cookies is taking in nutes now. Yesterday after pH and new water the levels were higher. Today was less than half a gallon. Could she be done?! I don't think so. I'd have to check the trichomes to be sure, but there's still white pistils still popping up. I'm gonna go based on her trichomes from now on. Shouldn't be more than a week or so. At least that's what I think. Papaya Cookies has been dropping her concentration nicely. All the way down to 263 ppm after some pHed water. I'm considering harvesting her today, but I'm not quite sure yet. I really wanna f get some fade on all these damaged leaves. But I think I cut off all the ones that would turn color. Lol. Maybe tomorrow? I'm not sure, but very very soon. Maybe Tuesday might be the best idea. It's the beginning of a new week and we have a harvest. Then I can push Lemon Cherry Cookies out til next Tuesday if she's ready before then. I'll see what she looks like later this afternoon and tomorrow. I'll especially pay attention to the water consumption. If it stays low, it's time to flush. Then I'll give this one a good 4 to 5 days in the flush, then a dark period. That could start Tuesday. That'll give the plant a week in flush as well as a few days in the dark. Anyway, I had to pH both plants anyway, so it started out at 5.8 for each bucket. After returning the plants, I waited about a half hour before taking readings. Those are the readings I got. So Lemon Cherry Cookies seems to be dropping and Papaya Cookies increasing. Not by much, but we will have to see after lights on. The dry tent is looking pretty good. I discovered that with the circulation fan off, the humidity drops super low. Like 35%. But with it set to 3, it circulates the air and blows on the bowl of water. That increased the humidity up to 47%. That should be perfect to start out the drying cycle. I'm pretty sure I'll have to take the bowl of water out though. For the time being. I'll add it back in when the humidity drops to 55%. That should only be a day or 2 maybe 3. The rest of the drying period will be a bit low in the humidity so I might need to break out the tiny humidifier I have. I doubt I'll need it though, the environment is really stable. Still at 64°. 12/15/2025 The whole entry got deleted and I lost today's readings. No good. Anyway, I can say what they looked like. Papaya Cookies was low in pH. Below 5. Like 4.8 while Lemon Cherry Cookies was even lower at 4.6. I got Papaya Cookies up to 6.2 so she can drop again and maybe hold that space. She also drank nearly a gallon of water again. What is happening? She's definitely ready to go. On the other hand Lemon Cherry Cookies drank next to nothing. Like maybe 500 or 600 ml. Maybe a tiny bit more, but definitely not much. A sure sign she's getting ready. Papaya Cookies and Lemon Cherry Cookies held roughly the same EC and TDS. A little bit lower than yesterday, so we are going in the right direction. But that's after top off and pH adjustments. The issue is that while Papaya Cookies has dropped a bit, Lemon Cherry Cookies hasn't shown any signs of getting better. She's still locked out and I'm super concerned about he yellowing of the sugar leaves. They are getting dangerously close to the buds. From what I understand, yellowing getting into the bud can cause bud rot. Definitely don't want that. So I'm trying to figure out if I should harvest in like 2 days or can I hold off for the week I want. If anyone has insight to this please let me know. Papaya Cookies is rearing to go. She will be sacrificed to the weed gods today, an hour before lights on. I was going to wait til tomorrow, but she's experiencing the same yellowing issue and I can definitely harvest her anytime. So today it is. I'm also not seeing anymore bulking up or anything. Just trichomes changing to cloudy and amber. Very little clear left. I feel like this is the perfect time to harvest a sativa. So experiment underway. Lemon Cherry Cookies while not ready for harvest, does look kinda pretty. With her buds being so purple and the yellowing being really lush and bright. It actually looks cool. But it be bad. So sad. I could get mad. Just a tad.

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I have too many. Next run will be 4 fems rest autos. I'm in way over my head. Hoping for the best.

Trichomes are turning amber slowly. Had some pH issues which the leaves did not enjoy. Also cut back on the EC - down to 1.3 now. Harvest next week!

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good evening to all, my friends God only know what I spent to keep these gems up, but in cure a thing I swallowed another! The too much warmth in tent has arisen a reaction of strong stress in the plant by transforming their peaks from the shape of fox's tail. This happens in some cases when the temperature is very high in a tent and makes it believe the plant that is still full summer making it bloom and vegetate at the same time