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~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_ We're getting close! These buds are getting absolutely caked under the MarsHydro..you can tell these plants are going to be killer...I haven't pulled the glass out to inspect this week but last week we were only about 20% cloudy, probably 2 more weeks if I had to guess..flushing these seems to be tricky, we've been using water only for approximately 12 days and their color refuses to fade, some are still a little glossy..I think we're going to start watering these every other day with a gallon each until they're finished, harvesting anything that dark has never been good. We have a few plants lined up to flower the day these come down (White Widow likely) ..every Banger clone taken in week 2-3 of flower are growing and of good size now, we'd like to put a few outside this summer ... Not too much else to report, its been an awesome week, thanks for dropping by and happy harvests everyone!! ❤️💡🌱😽💨 ⚡Mars Hydro/SP-3000⚡ Specifications ⚙️: Diodes: Samsung LM301B / Osram 660nm (960 total!) Driver: Meanwell 300watt 🔌 (300W±5% @AC120V-277V) PPF: 824umol/S ☢️ PPE: 2.8 µmol/j 〰️〰️ Lifespan: 50k+ hrs ⌛ Weight: 10.1 lbs (4.6kg) Veg Coverage: 3 x 5 ft 🌱 Flowering Coverage: 2 x 4 ft 🌼 -The SP-3000 uses an aluminum heatsink (no fan) and the driver can be placed outside the tent 🌡️⬇️ -IP65 waterproof ratings, tolerant to high humidity grow environments 💦 .. -Up to 15 can be daisy-chained together and all controlled from a single light! 💡~💡~💡~💡~💡 ~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_
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Start making flowers Adjust the light from 12 hours to 11 hours instead. Wait to observe the flowering Add LED lights to the lower part of the plant so that the lower flowers receive light.
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Feedining 5ml tiger blood and 2.5 ml of grow big per gallon ever since pistols have appeared. This plant is taking on my lsd-25 which was the biggest for the longest but is now competing against this blackberry which was the runt of the liter.
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Just waiting it out now. No added nutrients, just water. Bubba and Black Dog have exceeded their expected flowering time, and both are at 95% cloudy with 5% or so still clear. Chemdawg and The New can take up to 70 days or more so we’ll see if they’re late too. Bubba is a foxtailing machine. It was one weekend in early Flower when heat/humidity got out of hand while I was away for 3 days. She hermied a bit and I’ve had my eye out for bananas ever since (find a few every so often). Taking a risk to keep her in the tent with the others but if I catch them early enough the others should be ok. Interestingly I found a YouTube video of a guy that ran bubba and had the same foxtail development (also the same scent description and look overall). Nothing like the gorgeous fat purple budded girl I had last year but the citrus smell on this lime green bud pheno/version is impressive. Curious to see how the smoke compares. Scent combo from all four plants is amazing!
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La semana va bien, pocos cambios, e notado que han crecido mucho. Esta semana será el pico de nutrientes para después empezar a bajarlos. Están consumiendo más agua que nutrientes, el EC hace 3 días permanece estable, pero consumen casi 8 litros en 3 días.
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Transplanted to 40l container on week 4 day 1. Container has approx 30l in it. Also added a photo of the setup for size reference. Let me explain my thinking behind the repotting strategy. Firstly I should say that I am quite an old school kind of grower, although I've never grown cannabis before I have grown hundreds of other plants. Due to my experience with other plants, I understand the value of well planned and executed transplants, they can have an absolutely transformative effect upon root systems when done properly, as far as I know it's the main reason why they are done at all. It is fair to say I have never grown any auto-flowering plant indoors before, and I have read all about how you should not transplant autos, and all the good reasons why not. Ultimately though, as I am not called UnorthadoxDude for nothing, I believe that I can make it work with an auto, and get the benefit of improved root growth pattern, without delaying or interrupting the growth. I want to have my cake and eat it, as it were. So the strategy is to avoid transplant shock, which admittedly I have already failed in the first unplanned transplant, but in my hopeful naivety I still believe I can make the second one work! I'm using coco, and I have had the larger pot prepared and have been watering and feeding them as well as the plant. If I am careful not to disturb the plant at all, and move the entire contents of the pot gently into the larger pot (which is exactly the same medium in broadly the same state), then I may be able to avoid shocking the plant and just let it crack on. We will find out in a few days! If it stops growing or slows at all then I failed, otherwise it worked! A note about my use of organic nutes with coco. I have read a lot about coco and nutes and microbes and PH and TDS and what have you, and I know that the overwhelming majority of people believe that you can't or at least shouldn't use organic nutes with coco. The thing is, I like organic gardening, I prefer to cultivate a beneficial microbiota and keep it healthy. I recycle, and reuse all my compost except where a plant is diseased and this has worked well for me for a long time. I've never grown with coco before though, I always used soil. I wanted to gain the benefits of coco (better drainage, more air to roots, lighter, less inviting to pests, etc) - but I wanted to use a method of nutrition that I was already familiar with. I think I've mentioned that I am not called UnorthadoxDude for nothing, so I am using BioBizz and coco. By adding bacterial, mycorrhizal, and trichoderma inoculants and having the unplanted coco in the tent being fed and watered I hope to have cultivated a nice microbiota which will feed my plant. That's the theory. However just in case, I have a trick up my sleeve. Now, I do not know if you are aware of this, but there is a fiery debate raging on the internet about using BioBizz organic nutes with coco for cannabis. Some people try it, most people shout it down, and I have not found much in the way of solid evidence of it being a good idea. Except one! I found a commercial grower that has used biobizz nutes, and he said that as long as you are using "Acti-Vera" you can use anything from the BioBizz organic range. Apparently the enzymes in the mix break down nutes chemically in a similar way to what the theoretically missing microbes do. So I have ordered a bottle of that, and if my microbial cultivation attempts don't work out, I at least know I have a fallback that should work. Those are my thoughts on it, let's see how it pans out. Oh I should also probably point out that I am growing some companion plants, specifically alfalfa (nitrogen fixing), basil (improved flavour), and German Chamomile (increased essential oil production). Update week 4 day 2 dropped PH to 5.8 after advice from a grow question. Look! It's carried on growing... maybe there was no transplant shock? Update week 4 day 3: Growth continues, interveinal chlorosis lessening. Plant is pushing out node five at the moment. Update week 4 day 4: Growth continues, interveinal chlorosis further lessening. Apologies for the poor quality photos for the last few days, I was lazy and didn't want to move everything out to photograph. Today I have done that and the pic is better. I am declaring the second transplant a complete success. I do not believe that plant was in any way shocked. Update week 4 say 5: I think I've finally managed to overwater. Going to skip watering today. Update week 4 day 6: Photo taken just before lights on hence wilting. Growth continues to accelerate. I believe the alfalfa has been raising the PH so I've removed it. Today I will flush through with PH lowered water and then fertigate. The colour is still too pale but the growth and overall look and feel of the plant screams to me that it's happy and about to explode. Day 27.5 flushed with 30l of PH lowered water then fertigated with 5l. Day 28: Height 12cm Width: 28cm Nodes: 6 Weekly growth data: From 5cm Height to 12cm +140% From 12cm Width to 28cm +133% From 4 primary nodes to 6 +50% Summary: Wow, wow. Wow. What else can I say. What a crazy week, amazing and unexpected given the problems. I am really excited to see what happens over the next seven days!! It looks like it has quite severe chlorosis, but otherwise seems robust and is seriously stretching. Almost unbelievable growth. Pre-flowers appeared a few days ago, so I guess this was the final week of veg. Let's see how the first week of flowering stretch goes! Update 7/2/23: My instincts about this plant on week 4 day 6 were absolutely correct, she was happy and, she was about to explode. Since my early attempts at transplanting, I practiced multiple times with Citronella (a photoperiod plant) and then I did it again with an auto (Polly) - this one went flawlessly and further demonstrates that you can transplant an auto without shocking it. Time will tell, because I can compare Polly to both Misty and Nesia both of whom were sown directly in their final pots.
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Ladies are doing ok this week. Had a heat wave with high humidity here the last few days. Been struggling to keep temps and humidity down. My Lemon AK #2 has a tad of leaf curl along the serrations, but other than that I think all is well. The frost is building nicely and the Lemon AK is getting nice and sticky. My Gorilla Glue is still a bit behind on flowering but they are making good progress. Overall I'm happy with last weeks results. Thanks for checking out my grow! 👍
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Hey hey hey you all , hope that the life is great and the medecine that comes along even better , so one more week on this Queen from Fast Buds so lets get you all updated and not lose much on talks hehehe i fell like i have been bombarding you guys with to much information so i will keep it simple for a few posts or so hihihih <3 <3 <3 so without wasting more of you guys prestigious time here she is : Not getting so big on the bud department this one, but on the trichome one, thats a all lot of different talk, she is by far one of the most frosty girls i have ever grew in my life, dying here to see what will happens and what wont bt have a felling that these is extractions Mama heheh but lets stay tuned and see were she takes us As always thank you all for stopping by and for supporting me on this journey, i am super passion about growing and fell blessed to have you all with me on this new journey <3 <3 <3 Genetics - Fast Buds Tropicana Cookies Auto Ligth - LUMATEK ZEUS 465 COMPACT PRO 
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https://lumatek-lighting.com/ <3 <3 <3 Growers love to you all <3 <3 <3 Tropicana Cookies Auto is the perfect variety for growers of all levels, especially beginners as this strain performs very well outdoors and indoors, and can produce up to 500gr/m2 in 56-63 days without needing extra maintenance. Reaching up to 110cm, this strain grows fairly tall with medium-sized branching, showing its mixed heritage. Definitely the right choice for those with a high tolerance looking to get their hands on the strongest autoflowers out there. Thanks to the 27% THC, you can expect an extremely powerful and long-lasting high that’ll boost your mood and give you that extra push you need to start your days on the right foot. This variety offers the whole range of citrusy and woody flavors with a strong candy-sweet background that will keep you coming back for more and more. Bud description Tropicana Cookies Auto produces gorgeous dark purple flowers, so expect really dark buds with gorgeous hues of pink, purple and blue, and thick dark-orange hairs that get completely covered in resin by harvest time, giving them an almost shiny-white appearance. This variety develops a typical Indica-like structure and very few sugar leaves that will make your trimming sessions a breeze. But make sure to store your trimmings as the gorgeous flowers reek of a mouth-watering blend of lemon peels, orange juice, and sandalwood that gives it almost a citrus candy-like flavor that makes for the most aromatic hash and extractions.Smoke report Thanks to the 27% THC, Tropicana Cookies Auto’s effect starts with an energizing head rush that gets your mind up and running while leaving you in a nice calm state. As the Indica-dominant side kicks in, the powerful cerebral effect gradually moves downwards and hits your whole body with a deep relaxation that leaves you with a joyful stoney sensation that alleviates chronic pain while leaving you in an overall happy and positive state of mind. It’s the perfect daytime and nighttime strain as it can boost your mood and enhance a night out with friends but can also quiet your mind as you get ready for a good night of sleep. No matter the scenario, expect a powerful high that lasts for hours on end.Plant appearance Tropicana Cookies Auto reaches up to 110cm and develops a tall main cola with shorter side branches, typical of hybrid strains. You can expect a stocky yet tall main cola with medium-sized side branches and thin fan leaves that fade into a yellowish hue with a beautiful dark purple tint. Thanks to the excellent selection, this variety develops a short internodal spacing that makes the medium-sized flowers look like they’re growing stacked on top of each other. It’s the ideal choice for growers who want to get big yields without having to deal with huge plants, as this monster yielder can produce up to 150g per plant while growing relatively short. Grow tips This variety grows super dense buds so make sure to space out the branches by tying them down, this way you improve airflow which helps prevent mold and other pests. Tropicana Cookies auto reek of a delicious sweet and sour smell so make sure to flush thoroughly to enhance the aromas even more. This terpene heavyweight finishes with lots of resinous sugar leaves that make for fantastic hash and extractions so remember to have your trim bucket ready!Flavor Tropicana Cookies Auto boasts remarkably sweet flavors that resemble a blend of lemon peels and fresh orange juice, with subtle floral undertones that make it the perfect choice for extractors looking for unique terpene profiles. Expect an overall citrusy zest that’ll coat your whole mouth and leave a delicious tropical candy-like flavor aftertaste. The sweet and sour flavors get balanced out with a herbal background that gets stronger as you exhale and gradually opens up, bringing out the whole range of woody, floral, and spicy flavors, making it the perfect choice for the most flavorful extracts
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Day 21 - Past week or so was rough (drooping leaves), which recovered during the night period. I figured it was either light or heat. Turns out the lights were way to bright (brown tips, bleaching leaves, drooping leaves). Turned off the 300 watt LED. Turned the Two 75 watt LEDS TO 40% plant is now stretching out nicely. Will turn light up slowly once stretch looks good. Happy New Year! Day 22 - Stretch looks good turned lights up 5% and leaves stopped stretching so back to 40%. Day 23 - Everything is resolved. Lights were way to bright. Caused the plant to stay short and brown tips. Reduced lights by 60% and now it’s beginning to stretch a little during the day and a lot at night. Added nutes back in and reduced the water to 2 cups per day. Day 25 - added 5% on lights. Stretching nicely. Manage vertical growth with filling out using the lights. Day 26 - looking good increased water to 12oz per day. Day 27 - lights up 5% back down 5%. I leave it alone now. Couple gnats flying around. Not sure if it is a problem?
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Day 49: Watered each plant with 1L with nuts 1568 ppm, 3345 us/cm, 3.3 EC (purple punch, strawberry banana, wedding Cheesecake) 1573 ppm, 3346 us/cm, 3.3 EC It wasn't me who did the feeding (gorilla cookies) 2 different feedings for the 10 plants Day 51: Watered each plant with 1L with nuts 1562 ppm, 3325 us/cm, 3.3 EC (purple punch, strawberry banana, wedding Cheesecake) 1514 ppm, 3293 us/cm, 3.2 EC It wasn't me who did the feeding (gorilla cookies) 2 different feedings for the 10 plants Day 53: Watered each plant with 1L with nuts 1632 ppm, 3472 us/cm, 3.4 EC (purple punch, strawberry banana, wedding Cheesecake) ??? ppm, ??? us/cm, ??? EC It wasn't me who did the feeding (gorilla cookies) 2 different feedings for the 10 plants Day 55: Watered each plant with 1L with nuts 1655 ppm, 3521 us/cm, 3.5 EC (purple punch, strawberry banana, wedding Cheesecake) 2142 ppm, 4557 us/cm, 4.5 EC ? It wasn't me who did the feeding (gorilla cookies) 2 different feedings for the 10 plants
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Esperaba mayor producción por su parental monster, quizás este fenotipo es de esta estructura, la volveré a probar con las semillas que me quedan
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Another excellent easy to grow strain. Early on she developed what appeared to be rust spots on the bottom half fan leaves. I implemented calmag into her feeding. It didn't appear to reverse the impact but did delay it or slow it down. Not to mention the last month she and the others have been neglected due to my schedule. She has been very resilient throughout. She is in the drying phase currently so I will definitely update when I take her for a test drive.
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Dia 77: las plantas se ven normales pero ahora si se nota muchísimo mas olor al abrir la carpa pero no se nota crecimiento en las flores la planta como que ha para do el crecimiento de las flores y los pistilos empiezan a tomar un color amarillo que aunque suene normal me preocupa ya que el tamaño de las flores es muy pequeña aun. Dia 80: aun las mayoría de las plantas no se ven con un crecimiento significativo de sus flores, solo una de ellas el desarrollo de las flores a ido en aumente tanto que una de las ramas se empiezan a doblar por el peso (Tropicanna poison).
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Grand Daddy Purple auto is doing great. She is showing some pistils, and is stretching. I trimmed her underside some. Everything is looking good at the moment. Thank you ILGM, and Medic Grow. 🤜🏻🤛🏻🌱🌱🌱 Thank you grow diaries community for the 👇likes👇, follows, comments, and subscriptions on my YouTube channel👇. ❄️🌱🍻 Happy Growing 🌱🌱🌱 https://youtube.com/channel/UCAhN7yRzWLpcaRHhMIQ7X4g
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02/14/2026 Honestly, I'm not sure that she is stretching. Filling out, yes. But stretching, no. Not sure what to make of this. She's only 17" tall and has been in the "pre flower" stretch for about a week. Or maybe it takes a week for the stretch to start? I don't know, but I'm not seeing any rapid growth. Like from yesterday to today, I see like a quarter inch difference in height. Not a stretch. That's like casual growing. I'm now wondering if the stretch has yet to start. So this week we are leaving it on Veg. For that reason, I'm not changing the water. Just topping it off as needed. Like today. I bet she needs a gallon. I think I'll change the water out when I start to see buds. Currently, I'm using a mix of grow and bloom nutrients while she transitions from veg to flower. I'm really hoping the stretch hasn't started yet. I've been saying it since I saw the first pistils. That was a week ago. She looks great! I don't understand where the vigor went. No signs of stress, hunger or toxicity. A perfectly healthy plant. No leaf discoloration. And still producing 7 finger leaves. Her branches are strong and most are almost caught up to the top. She's super wide and frankly, she doesn't have all that many leaves. They just got big. Maybe this lady is a 5 or 6 week veg time. But the pistils! Argh! The environment is pretty level. No issues there. We are at a nice 75° and 55%. The VPD is a bit high, but I also have the CO2 bag in the tent, so it can stand to be a bit warmer. I also think I can increase the light intensity, but I won't be doing that. Update: I raised the light to 25". It would be 24" but the Apple Strudel is 3" taller and I need to make sure I don't burn that one. So we are at 25" with a DLI of 35.6 mol. I increased the light power to 60% as well. Currently 195 watts. I also noticed the EC and TDS dropped quite a bit last night. Not sure why, but I might have to add more nutrients. It's happening with the Apple Strudel as well. Not really sure what to do besides continue adding nutrients until she levels out? But if she's taking in more nutrients than water, how do you stop that? Does it level out and she drinks the same amount she eats? 02/15/2026 Apparently I forgot to do an entry this day. Oops. I was busy. Real quick. Not much going on. 02/16/2026 Readings: pH: 6.05 EC: 800 TDS: 402 Temp: 66.2 The EC and TDS are still low, but now TDS is in the 400s, so that's good. I'm trying to figure out how to increase the dose without pumping the water out again. I'm going to have to wait until I need to top off again. So tomorrow it seems. Now just to figure out how much I need. It's 4 gallons, so what to do? I only need 50 ppm more. Maybe 500? I'm still trying to figure out how it works. Like if I add a certain amount, will the plant eat and drink the same amount based on a number? Like if the water was 500 ppm, and 2 days later when she's taken in a gallon of water, I see the EC and TDS at the same level. Or would 500 ppm still not be enough to keep up? I'm not exactly understanding what I'm experiencing here. I added a little micro to the mix too. I almost forgot about it. Just a little bit. I think it'll help with the TDS and might help the plant grow more. When I change the water out in a couple days, I'm going to be adding 1 ml per gallon to start. It should be like 7.5 or something, but I'm taking it slow. I'll add a bit more until I get to 5 or so and see how she does. I'm trying to not go over 500 ppm as this is an autoflower. She doesn't need a ton of food. Although, this particular strain is nutrient heavy. She could probably take 550 ppm. But I'm not doing that. I'll stick with 450 ppm until she hits full flower. Then I'll bump it up to 500 then 550, and if needed, 600. She also has started budding. Not too sure what that means for her growth. But I'm thinking she's not gonna grow much more. Shame that. However, the Apple Strudel is still growing. No budding, nothing. Well, she has pistils, but that's because she's transitioning to flower. She is going to finish stretching in a few days I think. Maybe longer. Hopefully a little longer to grow. Anyway, that's it for the day. 02/17/2026 Swapped the water out. Honestly forgot to write in today. So this is the next day. I swapped water and that was about it. 02/18/2026 Readings: pH: 5.90 EC: 809 TDS: 403 Temp: 65.1 We are looking pretty good. Is the EC supposed to be that low? The TDS is decent but I'd like to see it at 450 to 500. Temp looks great! I've been swapping the ice bottles out 3 times a day. 1 in the morning then afternoon and then evening. It's been working perfectly. The pH is spot on, as it should be. Her root ball is a bit small for my liking. I don't have a way of taking a picture of it without a second pair of hands. It's not too small. But definitely could be bigger. The root ball in the Apple Strudel is taking up the entire bucket. It's pretty cool. No pics of that either. As for after her defoliation, she showed zero signs of stress from it. Very happy plant. Leaves perky and happy looking. Nothing drooping. Just good happy plant. I also had to lift the light up again and drop the power down to 50%. Now she's 24" from the light and the DLI is 37 mol. It has to be that low because the apple Strudel is a bit taller and I don't want to burn her. As it is, she was showing signs of light stress already. Blue Dream, that is. But it's all fixed now. I really should be checking the light daily. I forget to. I only have a few inches to the ceiling. The environment looks great! No issues, equipment is barely running now. Perfect for this little lady. Speaking of little, I'm pretty sure that's it for the stretch now it's stacking time I guess. I'll take a total height measurement at the beginning of next week, but I'm pretty sure she's over 20" now. Maybe she'll get taller when the stacking starts. 02/19/2026 I think I forgot to mention a few days ago, she has buds now. So I'll be switching to bloom nutes coming next week. Well, 2 more days. I should have switched last week, but she didn't have buds yet. I was assuming she would stretch. Lol Apparently not. No clue what happened. Maybe not enough food. But she showed zero signs of stress. A very healthy plant. But no stretch. I'm hoping the stacks make it taller. If the stacks happen. I'm very confused with this plant. I mean, flowering as early as she did is pretty cool. But where did the stretch go? Anyway, I was considering topping off today, but she definitely doesn't need it. Maybe a half gallon. I want to try and hold off until I swap the water out. That way I'm not pulling out 4 gallons. With 1 being fresh. Nope. Not me. The environment is looking pretty good. No issues. I'm gonna drop the humidy next week to 50%. I'll leave the temp the same though. Roughly 75° I could get to 77°, but I'm not gonna bother. She also took really well to the defoliation. No stress that I can see. But she's still short! Why? Why Lord why?! Oh well. I'll just do my best to make sure she has massive rock hard buds. 02/20/2026 Last day of week 6 and last day of Veg. I probably should have started flower last week, but I wasn't thinking about it. Oh well. Now we have buds and the the start of flower. Tomorrow I'll be changing out the mix to bloom nutrients. Big bud, tasty terpenes and bringing back B-52 for the rest of the run. I'll be taking out Piranha, Tarantula, Voodoo Juice and Bud Ignitor. Currently I'm at a third dose for next week, so the week after, a half dose should be fine. Plus it was only ever nitrogen I was having a problem with and just barely. I figure if that's the only issue I've seen and it was the only issue. Although, it really wasn't an issue. The only thing I saw was dark tips. But the Apple Strudel got nitrogen toxicity from the Grow part of the nutrients. Not much else to report on. She's budding and that's what matters. Hopefully she stacks right up. I'll be very upset if this turns out to be a small budded plant. Too early to tell though. The environment is good. The water is low, but I'm swapping it out tomorrow. Hopefully I'm not causing any issues with her by waiting the extra day to fill the bucket up.
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Esta semana fue solamente de flush 🚿 en esta ocasión decidí usar florakleen para ver con cual obtengo mejor resultado si con este o con flawless finish, lo hice así, primero hice un lavado con pura agua con ph de 6.2 lo hice desde el ultimo día de la semana anterior, fue lavado doble, uno en cuanto se encendio la luz y otro justo antes de apagarse, luego empezando esta semana regué dos dias usando el florakleen y ph de 6.2, el tercer día no regué y al final de ese día le di corte ✂️ y la colgué, actualmente ya la tengo curando, la tuve 10 días secándose con una humedad de entre 50 y 60% para un secado lento.
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Growing nice and easy. No issues just doing a little lst and letting it grow