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Had beautiful weather out one out another tomorrow and looking for a spot to grow some regular seeds kc brains 36 want a male to cross with some autos for seeds crossing some quick one RQS bigheads super fast auto possibly a bit Frisian duck but there my main crop this year as growing outside can be huge and seen some great diaries organiclarf for instance so happy so far add more pics soon
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Week#6 Dec.2nd- Dec.9th Baby Boom Week #6 pant has grown to 21 inches incredible stretch for the plant really happy with the way she's looking right now has many bud sites side branches also stretching even growth through the plant.
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Got a couple more days until day 56 (week 8) but just wanted to add a few things from this week. The flush is coming along nicely and getting some really nice colors to come out, Really excited for the finish. Just uploaded the day 56 pictures, shes looking beautiful!
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This week has been really hot you can see it on her leaves as they curl upwards….it’s dry season here on the Caribbean…best time to grow. I am satisfied with her progress this week overall as I see side branches coming out…
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This will be the 7th week in flower . Fitting to go into 8th week in flower. I learned that I was heavy feeding and the mite I figured a way to get rid of em completely. I was using Plant Therapy which is oil and has peppermint smell to it. I just use that for spray bottle and back using hydro peroxide to kill the insects far as mite or clean up anything that may harm the roots inside the soils. I want to see these girl strive to the end. Definitely running London Pound Cake again after the Birthday Runtz . MSLN will try their LPC next up in 2024.
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First feeding of week 3 juste before taking pictures!! 😁🍀✌️ Day 17 one of the gorilla melon looking not really happy after feeding!! She was doing great I don’t really know yet if it’s a deficiency or over feeding but I’ keep an eye on it 💚✌️ Day 18 I accidentally dropped a full bottle of water on my gorilla melon, which split in two at the base and break the pot😭she wasn’t able to stand alone so I hold her luck she continue to grow 🍀💚✌️
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Esta semana hubo un par de noches de tormenta, por suerte pude resguardarla bajo un invernadero improvisado y no sufrió daños. Aun sigue pidiendo bastante agua aunque no tanta como hace unas semanas. Queda poco para la cosecha, las colas están duras y pesadas, pero sus ramas parecen aguantar el peso sin problemas.
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These amazing genetics mixed with the best nutrients equals amazing results
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I transferred it to a half-gallon pot and I mixed the organic fertilizer with the soil.
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I have to dry the buds in the dark, at 20 degrees, 50% humidity
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8/3 Went over to treat the 10th planet that needed water with plant doctor around 10:30. I was in the garden at 6 but didn't have much time. That plant seems to be curled up or "droopy". It DID need water. I defoliated a few sep leaves off it but I didn't see any today. I guess I don't ever really see the leaves "up" or praying like I do with the rest of tge plants. It's starting to flower like the rest though. Today is the day everything is supposed to get its second or third plant doctor dose but I decided to wait until they need the water. I don't think 24hrs will mean much. I've been staying on top of defoliation but I'm seeing some pillar damage. I'd like to spray bt but what my buddy said about spraying with septoria is still in my head. Maybe I can use citric acid. That way it won't "wash away" spores it will just eat them. At least I think. And I hope lol. Birds get most of the pillars but I hand pick some too. I need to pick up nutes. Wondering if I should just get grow big again. I don't use much but plants are switching to flower and leaves are fading. I have big bloom and kool bloom bit neither have nitrogen. I still need some sort of nitrogen. Especially since that could be a deficiency. Not sure if it's the transition or a condition with the sep. I see some interior small leaves bleeding out and some dying. I'm wondering if what I thought was earwig damage years prior was really a combo of sep and they just ate the evidence. I'm super grateful though. I've got some resilient girls and they're doing well. The special kush in flower is gorgeous as well. Looks like I'll have an early plant. Short flowering time on this strain. Smells pungent. 8/4 Treated everything in the garden with plant doctor except the 10th planet I got yesterday. I need to take a closer look at that plant. It rarely looks "happy" like my others. I'll check it again later. 3tsp per gallon and 1gal a plant. The 10s got a half gallon. This seems to be working great. I have some defoliation to do on the tenth planet I was talking about earlier. Everything is in some form of flower. The flowers on that early special kush are getting bigger. I'll update this later. UPDATE: WENT BACK OVER AT NOON TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT OTHER 10TH PLANET TO SEE IF IT PICKED UP AT ALL. IT DID. IM GLAD I CAME OVER TO CHECK THOUGH. MAKES ME FEEL BETTER. THE OTHER 10TH PLANET LOOKS HORRIBLE O. FILM FROM ONE ANGLE LOL BUT ITS REALLY A GREAT LOOKING PLANT AND IM USUALLY FILMING AT LIKE 6AM. JIST WANTED TO STICK UP FORCMY GIRL AND HER BAD HAIR DAY. ITS BEEN HIT AND A FEW OF HER LEAVES ARE TACOED. SHE GOT HER FIRST "PREVENTATIVE" DOSE OF PLANT DOCTOR WHICH WAS HALF A TSP/GALLON. IT REALLY SEEMS TO BE DOING SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER. EVERYTHING IS. IM HAVING TO LOOK HARDER AND AM HAVING TROUBLE FINDING LEAVES EFFECTED BY SEPTORIA. KNOCK ON WOOD. IM EXCITED. THIS IS GOING BETTER THAN I THOUGHT. IM STILL GOING TO BE MONITERING LIKE I USUALLY DO. 8/5 Watered the 10th planet I dodnt get yesterday. Looked and didn't see any sep leaves. Phone was dead so I vouldnt do a video. Went back over at like 130pm and did a quick video and checked out the girls. Everything is looking good and transitioning well. I WANT to use a diy Dr. Zymes with citric acid as I've noticed a few pillars. Only reason I've hesitated is because my buddy said not to spray it. But if what I spray it with "eats" it I would think it's ok. But what do I know. Birds get a great deal of them. I watch them on the camera sit on the cage and wait for one to stick it's head up before snatching it up. Still need to get either more grow big or a bloom product with nitrogen. I was able to defoliate that other 10th planet of anything suspect. It's hard work but it's worth it in the end. 8/6 It's like 81 at 4pm. I didn't have time to video this morning but i went back over. WATERED EVERYTHING THIS BUT THE 50 AND THE 10TH PLANET I GOT YESTERDAY. Temps are supposed to pick up soon and it will be in the 90's again. We've had like NO rain. I searched for leaves that had signs of sep to defoliate. I may find one or two but for the most part things are doing great. Overall I'm happy. 8/7 Bought a new bottle of grow big. Wanted to switch to the roots organic teas but I cant do that invthe middle of an already complicated grow. I'll switch nutes next season. I'm noticing some pillar damage. Not much amd I've been hand picking them. I've found a few in curled up leaves. I watered the 10th planet in the front corner that didn't get it yesterday. I hope the watering yesterday will hold them until the morning. I'm still thinking about doing an application of diy Dr. Zymes to clear up any random pests. I'll ask a question and see what other growers on here have to say. EDIT: MY SPIDEY SENSES STARTED TINGLING SO I WENT OVER TO CHECK ON THE GIRLS THIS AFTERNOON. THE MK ULTRA THAT I LEFT NATURAL WAS STARTING TO DROOP. THE REST OF THE GIRLS COULD WAIT. I MIXED WATER FOR ONE OF THE TENS BUT DECIDED AGAINST IT. I DONT WANT TO OVERWATER AND I THINK IT CAN MAKE IT. I GAVE THE MK ULTRA A FULL WATERING CAN WHICH IS ALMOST TWO GALLONS. IT WAS PUCKING UP BYVTHE TIME I LEFT AND WASNT EVEN ALL THE WAY DOWN. IM GLAD I CHECKED. The ONLINE cannabis community can be such a joke. There ARE good groups but this places sucks. I put a question up as PART of the research I was doing and ive received some dumb answers but this was aggressive too. I had it figured out prior to reading the answer but it caught me off guard. I decided that since Im able to keep it suppressed with what im doing (leaf septoria on a couple of plants) than don'tchange it. I've dealt with it before and kept it suppressed but not nearly as well. It was a yes or no question really. Stated for outdoor experienced growers as I was looking to avoid the copy paste/ look how smart I am bullshit. I just have an anxiety disorder and like to hear numerous responses before I act. I figure it out and log on and I get some smart ass response from an INDOOR grower. When I SPECIFICALLY asked for EXPERIENCED OUTDOOR growers (as the question is unique to the outdoor environment and indoor growers seem snobby and seem to get jealous when they see my massive plants a quote what they just searched on the internet). I can read shit on the internet as well and had prior to posting. I'm sorry if my success with a product (that you are unaware of "but can't see how it could work" (despite not knowing the active ingredients by your own admission) and lots of hard work have prevailed. When I have to ditch a plant it's 1/4 to a full elbow. Not an 1/8th. So I won't be burning shit. I hate when people say that. There are cases for it but many new growers have been led astray with stupid advice like this. ESPECIALLY if everything is going GOOD! If a plant was less than perfect I'd put it in my concentrates bag. Not much fits through a 25 micron screen. But by all means burn your plants. I have no idea how I have ZERO wpm this year but I would hear shit like this for a couple leaves "with gravel on them" on a 10ft tall plant that yielded like a pound. So I don't know why I listen or why I even responded. Even if it WAS wpm I would've kept it and washed it. It must be nice to be able to work 20 weeks on something numerous times a day put a bunch of money in it and when you hit flower burn it because you don't want to do the extra work. You can easily tell the people that don't grow outdoors. It's a completely different game. But since I've already written it I'm leaving it. One more thing. You didn't even know what the active ingredients in my product were. How can you make ANY statements about the efficacy of ANYTHING without knowing what it is? You said "unless it's a bunch of silica" that provokes an immune response. It's not silica hun. I've been hunting for years for something that works. Go back to your closet.
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Week 8: Day 50-53: Things are looking ok here, could be better. Still assuming my soil is too acidic certain nutrients to lock out. I now believe what I thought was a calmg deficiency on 4AM#1 was actually a phosphorous lockout in combination with the aforementioned calmg. Day 50 I watered with PH 6.5 and got runoff around 5.5 PH. 4AM#3 was visibly worse off, and no real improvements to the other 2 either(both had signs of calmg deficiency in combination with various other small deficiencies it seemed like). Day 54-56: Seeing no real improvements in any of the 3 plants I decided I would flush them on with 6.5 PH'd water only with regulator until runoff read atleast 6PH. After about 4-5L the runoff was 6+PH, seemed to me like there was a slight build up in the bottom so the first 3L cleared that up quite nicely(runoff was around 5.7). I then fed them 2-2.5L feeding of calmg and regulator with some Biocanna Boost PD'd to 6.5 immediately after flushing. Runoff was pretty much 6.3-6.5 on all plants at this point. I think I am happy with the results of the small flush, this IS my first time indoors(last summer first time was outdoor and I never really dealt with deficiences), so not sure if what I did was correct, I just went with my gut feeling here. Anyway on day 56 now and they haven't gotten any worse, and the leaves feel healthier to the touch. Also seem to be liking the addition of the 150W COB, also decided to lower the lights and see if they could take it(they could). End of Week 8: I don't think I will get more much bulk on 4AM#1 but daaamn is she frosty as hell. 4AM#2 on the other hand is bulking up real nice, those are going to be some fat buds! And 4AM#3 seems to be a slower finishing pheno and seems like she will bulk up loads more, going to be a beast I reckon if the deficiencies didn't stunt her from the last 2 weeks(leaves felt dry and showed yellowing and spots, but are doing better and feel better after the flush).
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**Encontrarás la traducción a español al final de la descripción** From/Desde: 08/03/19 || To/Hasta: 14/03/19 From day/Desde día: 15 || To day/Hasta día: 21 You can find the Gorillas Diary here: ** Podéis encontrar el diario de las Gorilla aquí:** https://growdiaries.com/diaries/25675-makingmoney-with-gorilla-mm-vs-gorilla -----IMAGES & VIDEOS----- Video 1: 7 days TimeLapse, +/- 1 image each 180 secs @ 30 fps, you can see how beauty is the dance of this babies and how are they growing. This is a fast timelapse adjusted to 1 minute for instagram, if you want to see the 3:21 min complete video (1fx60s 30fps) it's uploaded on the gorillas diary named abobe. Video 6: An overview video of the babies, moments before i performed the first topping/man-linning/prunning/LST on the biggest gorilla. The other one is recovering at time from those ugly color marks she has on them leaves. As the leaves seems not healthy i decided to not perform the man-lining on this one until it has a pair of healthy main leaves on which i can trust to guide. -----WEEK SUMMARY----- I traveled to Venice this week and i have very few photos, also i returned with a terrible flu, so i'm not going to take too much photos for the next week too, i'm so sorry. The Money Makers are growing healthy and equitative, with very short nodal distances as you can see in photos 4 & 5, i'm not going to perform the same main-lining technique i'm doing with the gorilla, i'm going to test some things. With the Money Makers i'm going to perform something similar to the man lining but with 3 or 4 floors, i'll be twisting the main branch to create a circular horizontal proppagation with 6 or 8 branches. First i will fix the heights of the floors and then i will push them horizontally. Let's see where they go ;). -----WATERING CALENDAR----- 12/03/19 - 700 ml with all week nutrients @ 0.95 E.C. PH5.9 12/03/19 - FOLIAR - Used about 25 ml of (200 ml water with 1ml Pro Active, 2 ml Plant Vitality + and 0.1 ml Foliar Spray) *****ESPAÑOL***** -----IMÁGENES & VÍDEOS----- Vídeo 1: TimeLapse de 7 días, +/- 1 imagen cada 180 segundos @ 30fps, observad la maravillosa danza de las nenas y cómo crecen. Esta es una versión rápida de 1 minuto que cree para instagram, si queréis ver el vídeo completo de 3:21 min (1fx60s 30fps), está subido en el diario de las gorilas que nombro en la cabecera de la descripción. Video 7: Un vídeo general del armario, está grabado momentos antes de realizar las técnicas de cultivo sobre la mejor de las gorilas. La otra se sigue reponiendo de esas manchas feas que le salieron en las hojas. Ya que las hojas parecen enfermas, he decidido no hacer el man-lining hasta que no tenga un par de hojas saludables en las que poder confiar para hacer el guiado y alimentar los brotes. -----SUMARIO SEMANAL----- Las Money Makers están creciendo sanas y equitativas entre si, con distancias internodales cortas como podéis ver en las imágenes 4 y 5, no voy a realizar el mismo man-lining que estoy realizando sobre una de las gorilas, pues voy a probar cosas. Con las Money Makers voy a realizar algo similar al man-lining pero respetando 3 o 4 pisos de las plantas, giraré el tallo principal para crear una propagación horizontal circular de las plantas con 6 u 8 ramas. Primero ajustaré las alturas de los pisos y luego las expandiré horizontalmente. Veamos hacia donde van ;). -----WATERING CALENDAR----- 12/03/19 - 700 ml con todos los nutrientes semanales @ 0,95 E.C. PH5,9 12/03/19 - FOLIAR - He usado unos 25 ml de (200 ml de agua con 1ml Pro Active, 2 ml Plant Vitality + y 0,1 ml Foliar Spray)
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Day 83: After being in the dark for like 4-7 days, they where ready to harvest. All plants getting cut by the machine, big buds are cut by hand. I never weight wet buds because that doesnt make any sence. I will update soon on how much it is dry weight. My friend helped me with the harvest since it takes many hours of work. I have many buds that are as big or bigger as my hand. Quallity so far looks promising even thought there are shitty buds as well, but thats normal and oke. They have been cut freshly so I won't lose much weight when cutting. This will happen when cutting dry buds. The remaining small leafs on the wet buds will dry in with the buds and will be barely visible. Thanks @Fastbuds for sponsering the seeds. It was a really hard thought to make a diary about it while having more then 100 other strain plants. So both diaries look almost the same now. Ill hope you guys liked my grow and that we can go bigger in the future, so that i can make a , single strain,better and full diary about it. More info soon.
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Hey everyone 😀. We arrived the week before last :-). Since I already know the pheno and had it in my diary, I know how delicious it will be 😍. Meanwhile every Bud is so heavy that it falls over without support ützen. Otherwise, there is only adapted Ec water until the move to the darkroom. I wish Have fun with the update, and let it grow 👍 Strain : Sour Diesel ☝️🏼😍 Genetic: Diesel x Northern Lights 👍 Vega Lights : 2 x Todogrow Led Quantum Board 100 W 💡 Flower Lights : 2 x Todogrow Led Cxb 3590 COB 3500 K 205 W 💡 ☝️ Soil : Canna Terra Professional + ☝️ Nutrients : Canna Terra Vega, Canna Terra Flores, Rizotonic, Cannazym, CANNA Boost, Pk 13/14, Canna Cal/Mag, Canna Ph - Grow, Canna Ph - Flores ☝️ 🌱 Water: Osmosis water mixed with normal water (24 hours stale that the chlorine evaporates) to 0.2 EG. Add Cal / Mag to 0.4 Ec Ph with Organic Ph - to 6.0 💦 💧
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La plante a fortement jauni cette semaine et des taches sont apparues Flo 23: Arrosage eau Flo 24: Pulvérisation de 3ml de Vita Race
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Made up a tea mixture of some locally sourced worm castings with Dr Earth Bud an Bloom booster, an about 2ml of Cal mag. Let that aerate for about 24 hours. Then cut the mix to a 1:1 ratio. I know thats pretty hot but wanted to see what I could start to push. Have a little rusty looking spot on 1 of the plants. Not sure what it is, i'll post some pics an keep you posted. That was week 2 I got fucked up on my photos. These included are weeks 3 an starting 4. Had some weird orange spots on 1 of the 4. Needed up clipping off in defoliation. Did some LST with some old ass plant tape. Hit it with about a 1/4 cup of marine cuisine added to my earthworm casting tea. Fed them on 8-18 watered them about a liter each 8-20. Brewing some more Dr Earth Bud & Bloom, worm castings, an molasses with rain water
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**Encontrarás la traducción a español al final de la descripción** From/Desde: 09/09/19 || To/Hasta: 15/09/19 From day/Desde día: 08 || To day/Hasta día: 14 Ocean Grown Cookies Diary / Diario de las Ocean Grown Cookies: https://growdiaries.com/diaries/38831-oceangrown-cookies-blues-sisters -----IMAGES & VIDEOS----- V1 - Transplanting day. I'm using 10 l Aeropots as final recipient. I've used: - Small layer of ATAMI HydroRokz (perlite) at the bottom of the pot, just for cover bottom holes and to retain a bit of humidity - Over the perlite i placed 1l of mixture with BioBizz "All Mix" and Volcanic Soil - Again over, 1l of mixture with BioBizz "Light Mix" + Volcanic Soil & Guano - And filled the rest with BioBizz "Light Mix" + Volcanic Soil It's the second time that i broke half of the roots of a plant doing a transplant, It happened to me just for not being careful enough to hold the soil by the lower part. While this is no good, no further signs of that mistake other than the recorded video ;). V2 - Quick show up on how to correct the color of photos taken under red/ping/purple light. First I merge the HDR image from 3 bracketed shots, then I apply my custom color adjustment in the HDR resulting image. As i show in the video, to correct the red light, you have to enhance the blue and green curves, just play with a point in the curves until you find the best adjustment for each of both curves. Then you should go to tones, and play a bit with reds, pinks & purples... and.... Voilá, you can see the results, easy and effective..... but no more easy than using the right white spectrum. P1 - Cookies Showdown before transplant P7 - Volcanic soil and Guano -----WEEK SUMMARY----- This week was very easy, i didn't do anything to these babies apart from the transplant. This is the first time im mixing something with the soil, I hope not to overfeed the Cookies with the nutes, as i'm going to use the same nutrients i was using. The first 10 days they were growing in my 60x60x40 tent (DP60), with a terrible chinese light that i always use the first week wen I plant. PandaGrow 100W (50W draw) - http://www.pdgrow.com/index.php?m=Show&a=index&cid=12&id=53 So after transplanting when i place the plans under the Quantum Board or the Platinum LED, i've notice it on them immediately, they really don't like this kind of chinese lights. Thus after the transplant the plants has started to grow and wide much more and much quickly. -----WATERING CALENDAR----- 12/09/19 DAY 11 - 1,5 l after transplant with all week nutrients @ 0.8 EC & PH5.8 *****ESPAÑOL***** -----IMÁGENES & VÍDEOS----- V1 - Día de transplante. Transplantaré a AeroPots de 10 l. Para el transplante he usado: - Una capa pequeña de ATAMI HydroRokz (perlita) en el fondo de los tiestos, sólo para cubrir los agujeros y retener un pelín de humedad. - Encima de la perlita he puesto 1 l de mezcla de BioBizz "All-Mix" con tierra volcánica - De nuevo encima he puesto otro litro de mezcla de BioBizz "Light-Mix" con guano y tierra volcánica - El resto está relleno con una mezcla de BioBizz "Light-Mix" con tierra volcánica Es la segunda vez que se me parter unas raíces por la mitad en un transplante, eso me pasa por no ser lo suficientemente cuidadoso como para agarrar el sustrato por su parte baja. Esto no es algo bueno, pero he de admitir que aparte del mal rato de que se te partan las raíces, a la planta no le sucede nada de nada, sigue creciendo al mismo ritmo que su hermana. V2 - Un ejemplo rápido de como corregir la iluminación de una foto tomada bajo un espectro rosado o rojizo En el vídeo primero compilo el HDR compuesto de 3 fotografías horquilladas y una vez compilado le aplico mi ajuste de color. Como muestro en el vídeo, para corregir este tipo de luces hay que realzar las curvas de color azul y verde, simplemente con un punto por encima de la mitad de la línea media hasta encontrar los puntos más adecuados para tu luz. una vez encontrados, sólo hay que ir a los tonos y ajustar un poquito el rojo, rosa y morado. P1 - Muestra de las Cookies antes del transplante P7 - Tierra volcánica y Guano -----SUMARIO SEMANAL----- Esta semana ha sido muy sencilla, no les he hecho absolutamente nada a las pequeñas a parte del transplante. Esta es la primera vez que mezclo algo con el sustrato y espero no sobrealimentar las cookies ya que voy a seguir usando los mismos nutrientes que he usado con anterioridad y de la misma manera. Los primeros 10 días han crecido en mi tienda de 60x60x40 (DP60), con una luz china terrible: PandaGrow 100W (50W draw) - http://www.pdgrow.com/index.php?m=Show&a=index&cid=12&id=53 Siempre uso esa luz los primeros días de cada cultivo, por lo que al cambiarlas a la Quantum o al Platinum LED lo noto al toque, realmente no les gusta nada la luz china esa, inmediatamente se ponen a crecer y ensanchar mucho mas. -----CALENDARIO DE RIEGO----- 12/09/19 DÍA 11 - 1,5 l después del transplante con todos los nutrientes semanales @ 0.8 EC & PH5.8