Week 4 (03/07/2022 -- 10/07/2022)
3 July 2022 (day 22): My girls are 22 days from seed! Raised the light today and it's now sitting 50 -- 53cm above the canopy of each of the three. Concerned that node spacing (particularly on the GCA) is too dense which makes LST/getting ties in between the nodes tricky. Also removed the previous LST ties that had been added just below the first five fingered nodes. Keen for the girls to stretch a bit so may raise light again tomorrow depending on progress.
4 July 2022 (day 23): The girls all appear to be standing up straighter today with the ties gone, which let me do some height measurements. This means their light-->canopy distance has reduced to between 47cm (AFA) and 52cm (GCA). I fed them water (they'd had two days in a row dry) with veg nutes at 1/2 strength -- meaning 3ml for the 1.5L watering can. They wouldn't be drinking more than 400ml each but its enough to spring a leak in their fabric pots. Anyway, they look happy and there's no sign of pistils yet. I'm keen to get back to the LST but will approach it with a strategy. Plants heights today -- GCA: 13cm; AFA: 16cm; PCA:12.5 cm.
5 July 2022 (day 24): The girls are happy and don't require watering today. Measured them before a bit of gentle LST -- GCA: 14.5cm; AFA: 19.5cm; PCA:14.5 cm -- that's 1.5 - 3.5cm growth each! Obviously it narrows the canopy to light distance but I did some gentle LST on each to widen the gap. GCA nodes are still super stacked and GCA's leaves are still a bit scuffed from a close encounter with the oscillating fan last week (yikes).
6 July 2022 (day 25): About 500ml each of water for the girls with 3mls of each veg nute mixed into the 1.5l vessel. The girls are changing so each of them had their LST ties adjusted/tightened to try and open up the canopy somewhat. The AFA was standing particularly tall and I'm wondering if the canopy is entering some kinda pre-flower. The GCA is looking totally insane in terms of density of nodes and has not stretched up as much as the others, so I had to do extensive leaf tucking of the fan leaves to expose the new growth. Also raised the lights up a bit to try and encourage them to grow taller before they start doing the flowering thang. Light distance for GCA: 58cm (22.8in) from canopy; AFA: 54cm (21.2in) from canopy; PCA: 61cm (24in) from canopy. Keep stretching ladies!
7 July 2022 (day 26): The AFA and GCA have both burst into bloom today with hairy white pistils sticking out of their nodes. Proud daddy moment. While the AFA has pleasantly space nodes, the GCA is still a hot mess and looks like one big lettuce. I have adjusted the LST to bend down nearer the tops of the plants and tucked the big leaves behind the new grow sites. Also added a question because I don't really know wtf I'm doing. Fun though!
8 July 2022 (day 27): The AFA and GCA continue to shoot out pistils and the PCA is still holding out on me. I have repositioned the oscillating fan to offer more direct airflow into the dense nodes of these plants with the aim of staving off moisture-related issues. The tucking/LST had come undone a little on the GCA and generally everything was a lot less tidy than I had left it, so I retucked, adjusted the LST and exposed those internode leaves as much as I could. No water today because I could still feel moisture within my first knuckle of the soil. The AFA is definitely still stretching up nicely whereas the GCA is a bit of a mutated lettuce. Ganbatte girllllz.
9 July 2022 (day 28): Girls had their first taste of bloom nutrients today! I am using 1/8th of the recommended dose for veg (something like 0.9ml of each veg bottle for 1.5l water) and 1/4 of the recommended dose of bloom nutes (1.875ml per 1.5l of water). The PCA is still holding out on me and no pistils have emerged. I did another round of LST and tucking and surely enough managed to snap my first fan leaf on the GCA... guiltily slid it back into position to see if it'll reattach but I don't think that's how plants work.
You usually want to wait until they're a bit older than what you've got - at least 3-4 nodes and 5-fingered leaves are there... I would pull off what you've got and let the little one grow some more, tbh... or, if you've got more than one plant, try it on ONE as an experiment and see what happens...
Good luck
Is anyone able to give me some feedback on my LST and tucking technique? I am growing 3 autos in little 2 gallon pots and one in particular is ridiculously stacked/dense in its node development (the Godzilla Cookies Auto,, first photos!). Should I bend more/tie lower/more?
The LST looks good so far - try raising your lights to get the plants to stretch out more though... I'm not seeing any nutes in your diary? Did you just not put them in or are you not giving them anything? Now would be a good time to start your bloom nutes if you have them... and a touch of grow nutes to help them get bigger...
Good luck!
Kia ora whanau,
Each of my three flowering autos (the Herbies Beginner Auto Mix #1: Ape Fruit Auto, Purple Chill Auto and Godzilla Cookies Auto) has an issue with yellowing older leaves. Do I need more nitrogen or is this potentially something cal mag would address? TYVMIA!
I happens with autos faster, but the plant is using nutrients and energy for the top growth. When those big fan leaves start to yellow down low just pinch them off and put them in the compost. You want more airflow down low as the ladies start flowering anyway.
Oh my, OH MY!!!! This grow is looking fabulous @banurnerphone! You have done a truly magnificent job and I can't wait to see what kind of harvest you're going to get from them! KUDOS!!!!
@banurnerphone, What are you talking about for heaven's sake?! Unless you've got another pic of the Ape Fruit that I'm not seeing, she looks gorgeous, too - they ALL do... !!!!! What you're seeing is the natural progression of a highly colorful plant... her "Fall Colors" are just starting to come out and she is going to be blitheringly beautiful! And ALL trichs will cloud up, ALL trichs will turn amber... you want to wait until you can see MAYBE 10-20% of them amber before chopping - that's going to be "peak" harvest time... the longer you wait after that (i.e., the more amber you see) the more you're going to be in couchlock mode from her...
No, no, no, "first time Daddy" - you'll be fine, SHE'LL be fine... just have patience! :-D (Seriously GORGEOUS grow!)
thanks so much for coming to check in on my grow @GrowingGrannie, and double thanks for the compliment, it means a lot coming from you! While you're here, do you have any opinion on the readiness for harvest on the Ape Fruit Auto? Per my journal, it has definitely matured fastest and has the most even budsites/nicest bud structure of the three. HOWEVER, the trichomes on the AFA don't look to be particularly cloudy, and I'm wondering if the cloudiness-->ambering just might not happen? Unfortunately it got hit first by that calcium deficiency that you identified a couple of weeks back and it basically ended up losing all its fan leaves to yellowing. As you can see, even the sugar leaves are quite spotted yellow so I'm wondering whether the buds might have stopped maturing? Either that or I'm just an anxious first time daddy and I need to wait "two more weeks"?
Looking good man :) I find LST pretty tricky on autos too, obviously with photoperiods you have as much time as you want (in theory) to play around and let the plants bounce back. Take a look at my Zkittlez and Gorilla Glue diary, with Zkittlez i did my usual really light training, pretty much just defoliating and bending side branches to open up the canopy. With gorilla glue i tried actual "normal" LST, it didn't really work out the way i wanted it to, and i think it's part of the reason why she stunted for a while. Anyway, i'll stop rambling hahah. Take a look if you like :) the LST still worked, its just not ideal. Oh, and lollipopping i've found to be pretty good. Happy growing friend, followed :)
@b_C6969, Cool man, I have both freebie Zkittlez and CBD Lemon Auto seeds from Herbies that I'm waiting to plant so having a look at your detailed diary is getting me pumped :D
I've got a GCA going, day 16 right now. Thinking about fimming around the 4th node - would you do any HST if you could do over given the 'christmas tree' or just more aggressive with LST? I know you're not supposed to do it with autos but... maybe 😏?
@banurnerphone, thanks, I tied it down a bit early based on your results with the 4th node. My nodes are looking pretty close together as well. I'm away days 23-26, perfect timing 😅
@catdatty, Honestly I think it was just 4-5 nights away from the plant in preflower and the bud site got away from me. Also the node spacing on the GCA was so stacked that I was too delicate about tying when I only had my thick rubber ties.
Also, I woulda defoliated bottom third at the start of flower.
Good luck! 😜