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The ladies seem to be growing a little faster but still somewhat slow veg compared to other strains I have grown, Pheno #1 is about 8" and Pheno #2 is approximately 6" The Ladies Stink Allready Fairly strong makes me wonder how stinky they will get during flower , I normally would top these but I Not this run due to the fact I have seedlings I need to get in the tent before too long and I think I will be moving these to my flowering tent sometime in the next 2 weeks