Germinated these and left them in substrate, I was on vacation when they sprouted and had my mom watch them while I was gone. Two of them germinated with the seed still on the top, I told her to wet them and take them off. She didn’t feel comfortable, once I came back I peeled the seeds off the tops and tried my best to nurse them back to life. So far they are behind on growth but I think we can nurse them back to life.