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7 days ago
Nutrients 1
Pure Blend Pro Grow  - Botanicare
Pure Blend Pro Grow 2.642 mll
Had really good germination success rate. Started with RO water, then added some light nutrients
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Week 4. Vegetation
7 days ago
38.1 cm
18 hrs
26 °C
5.8
Weak
74 %
23 °C
22 °C
11 L
Nutrients 3
Pure Blend Pro Grow  - Botanicare
Pure Blend Pro Grow 5.283 mll
Cal-Mag Plus  - Botanicare
Cal-Mag Plus 1.057 mll
Silica Blast - Botanicare
Silica Blast 1.057 mll
Now that I have everything transplanted, I started raising my intensity of my lights a bit. I’m planning on doing some topping, and adding in some trellising and maybe try to scrog them
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Rootbound89
Rootbound89started grow question 7 days ago
I’ve heard that you should bring the lights closer to the plants, but it’s difficult to reach over the table without hurting the plants. I’m planning on just adjusting the dimmer instead. Do you think that will work ok?
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ATLien415
ATLien415answered grow question 7 days ago
the real power of LEDs is the energy consumption versus thee photon density delivered to the plant, so basically you are throwing that out the window but yes it is a electricity bill question it is a best practice to intentfully think about your gear and how it will be impacted by either not being able to touch pre-flower plants or by stretching, and just know you will be able to reach what you need to. sometimes it just works out where you have something suboptimal for one grow cycle
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00110001001001111O
00110001001001111Oanswered grow question 7 days ago
keyboard running out of juice .. "photosynthesis" mistyped at least 1 time.
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Scrubbyjimbob
Scrubbyjimbobanswered grow question 7 days ago
If you're hitting your target ppfd it doesn't really matter how you got there. It uses less electricity to hang a light lower and turn down the intensity but you can hang higher and just run more power if it's more convenient. In mass grows they'll do it that way because it's a lot more practical to just adjust intensity than mess with lamp height when you got 50+ lights.
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Week 6. Vegetation
7 days ago
45.72 cm
18 hrs
26 °C
5.9
Weak
75 %
23 °C
22 °C
11 L
Nutrients 4
Pure Blend Pro Grow  - Botanicare
Pure Blend Pro Grow 5.283 mll
Silica Blast - Botanicare
Silica Blast 1.057 mll
Cal-Mag Plus  - Botanicare
Cal-Mag Plus 1.321 mll
Stretched a couple layer of trellis across my 4x8 table, added liquid karma. I’ve noticed to gnats and a little bit of powdery mildew starting on the corner plants. I’ve been spraying some plant therapy and Regalia. It’s been really hot, so my little ac has been struggling to keep my daytime temperatures where I want them
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Defoliation
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Rootbound89
Rootbound89started grow question 7 days ago
What kinds of sprays have you had luck with to combat gnats and PM. I’d really like to stay away from any heavy duty pesticides. I did some research and liked what I read about Regalia, trying to get the PM treated before I flip them. Any suggestions?
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Scrubbyjimbob
Scrubbyjimbobanswered grow question 6 days ago
UV C(you know, the cancer kind lol) is much more effective than B as a disinfectant but both are pretty well useless beyond surface exposure. It has no penitration. It's not gonna reach where it's needed most. Waste of time.
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sanibelisl
sanibelislanswered grow question 6 days ago
If you have gnats you have been watering too often and the soil is staying too wet. Stop watering! Wait until the top two inches are dry. Water slowly, several minutes per plant until 10 to 20 percent of the solution runs out of the bottom. If you have gnats yellow sticky traps will help catch the adults flying around and then you will need some Diatomaceous earth to sprinkle around the top of the soil to prevent any more larvae from hatching.
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Scrubbyjimbob
Scrubbyjimbobanswered grow question 7 days ago
Regalia won't prevent PM from what I've seen. The most effective foliar I've seen for PM is sulfur. It works best as a pretreatment preventative right before the flip. If you're already getting active outbreaks then sprays are mostly a bandaid solution though. Once they start up they keep coming back. I wouldn't stress the gnats too much. It's gonna take a serious infestation before it's ever gonna affect your plants really. They're just annoying. Or go straight bucket hydro. No fungus = no fungus gnats.
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Week 7. Vegetation
7 days ago
45.72 cm
18 hrs
27 °C
5.9
Weak
77 %
23 °C
23 °C
11 L
Nutrients 4
Pure Blend Pro Bloom - Botanicare
Pure Blend Pro Bloom 4.755 mll
Cal-Mag Plus  - Botanicare
Cal-Mag Plus 1.321 mll
Liquid Karma - Botanicare
Liquid Karma 1.057 mll
So just flipped to 12/12, still in transitional bloom, but starting to bush out. I’ve been working all the branches into the trellis and doing some light defoliation and topping leading up to the flip. I’ve been going pretty heavy with the plant therapy, and hand watering a little Regalia (it’s also a systemic fungicide) also with spraying. Noticed some improvement, but it’s getting even hotter and more gumid
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Week 9. Flowering
7 days ago
45.72 cm
12 hrs
27 °C
6
Weak
77 %
24 °C
24 °C
11 L
Been a couple weeks since I flipped the plants, starting to get lots of flower sites, and I think the plants have finished stretching. I’ve been bending over branches to weave into the trellis, and have removed some of the larger fan leaves covering some of the flowering sites on the top of the canopy. Still have gnats, and I’ve seen some little white spots on the leaves. From what I’m reading, I think I might have Thrips too:/
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Rootbound89
Rootbound89started grow question 7 days ago
I see some damage on the fan leaves, not too bad, but from the research I’m doing, I think I might have Thrips too. I think the Plant therapy should help with that too, but when should I stop spraying? I don’t want to affect the buds. Should I keep spraying for the next week?
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 7 days ago
I've used predatory mites for thrips and had good results. They also say if you spray on BTi to the leaves it can also kill thrips. But I don't know how well it works.
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All_our_small_plants
All_our_small_plantsanswered grow question 7 days ago
Gegen Thripsen helfen raubmilben und auch die nematoden helfen gegen die Eier von den Thripsen. Alles natur und nicht giftig.
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Week 10. Flowering
7 days ago
60.96 cm
12 hrs
27 °C
6.1
Normal
78 %
24 °C
24 °C
11 L
Nutrients 4
Pure Blend Pro Bloom - Botanicare
Pure Blend Pro Bloom 5.812 mll
Silica Blast - Botanicare
Silica Blast 0.793 mll
Cal-Mag Plus  - Botanicare
Cal-Mag Plus 1.057 mll
Starting to get some really nice bud development! I’ve been trying to continue spraying plant therapy (trying to keep it off the buds, and just hit the leaves) since I’m still having PM. The trellis is nice, but I’m having a hard time accessing the plants up against the wall. Hoping that I can get through harvest without it being too much of a problem. Since the PM is getting worse, I’ve continued hand watering Regalia, but have stopped spraying on the plants since there are flowers
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Week 11. Flowering
7 days ago
60.96 cm
12 hrs
27 °C
6.1
Strong
78 %
24 °C
24 °C
11 L
Nutrients 4
Pure Blend Pro Bloom - Botanicare
Pure Blend Pro Bloom 6.604 mll
Cal-Mag Plus  - Botanicare
Cal-Mag Plus 1.321 mll
Liquid Karma - Botanicare
Liquid Karma 1.057 mll
Stacking nicely, getting good density on the colas, with really strong sweet aromas. Still seeing Thrip damage, and the PM is persistent. This is in August, so it’s very hot outside, and the temperature keeps creeping up in the grow room. Might need a bigger ac, and I’m starting to think I’ll should have got a dehumidifier to help with the PM
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Week 13. Flowering
7 days ago
60.96 cm
12 hrs
28 °C
6.1
Strong
78 %
24 °C
24 °C
3 L
Nutrients 3
Pure Blend Pro Grow  - Botanicare
Pure Blend Pro Grow 6.604 mll
Cal-Mag Plus  - Botanicare
Cal-Mag Plus 0.793 mll
Sweet Raw - Botanicare
Sweet Raw 2.113 mll
Getting towards the finish line, I’ve had to drop the intensity of my light from 100% to 75% to try to counteract some of the heat issues, and I’ve had to cut a couple buds out, I think there is a little bud-rot that I caught. I was planning on letting things go for another couple weeks, but I’m thinking I might have to harvest early to salvage what I can.
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Rootbound89
Rootbound89started grow question 7 days ago
I found some bud-rot on a couple or the back nugs, I usually like to flush for about 5 days, but I’m thinking I might have to cut down early, to salvage what I can. Do you think not flushing will be an issue? I was planning on going at least another two weeks, what do you think?
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 6 days ago
cut out the rot now. and increase airflow and lower the RH asap. Your other question about flushing has good info on why its bunk.
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Scrubbyjimbob
Scrubbyjimbobanswered grow question 6 days ago
You probably have a little more bud rot than you think. Botrytis works it's way from the inside-out. Once you start working up you buds you'll probably find a little more. Just discard affected materials. I'd worry less about the flushing and just worry about you buds being far enough along if you're considering chopping. Harvest flushing is mostly just saving yourself a little bit of fertilizer. You're allowing the plant to consume built up ferts in the media and saved nutrients in the leaves. Really after the stretch and bulking parts the plants nutritional needs drop off drastically.
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Crusty_Juggler
Crusty_Juggleranswered grow question 6 days ago
If it's only on the bsck nugs, it might be because they're touching the wall. Check all the flowers thoroughly Whether you should chop now depends on the amount of mold you have, if it's only the back nugs, then remove them and keep going, but if you find more infected flowers then pull the plug asap. A few pointers to avoid bud rot in areas with high humidity and high density of Botrytis spores: - Have a lot of circulation fans going - Keep the foliage in check to ensure good airflow around the flowers - bend buds away from the main stem where you can to improve airflow - Add a dehumidifier if you can't get the RH belew 70% - Choose strains with mold resistance (Platinum crosses are very resistant)
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Week 14. Flowering
7 days ago
60.96 cm
12 hrs
29 °C
6.1
Strong
78 %
24 °C
24 °C
11 L
Continued to have problems with PM on some of the plants, and after I saw a couple colas with bud-rot, decided to do a quick flush and cut a bit earlier than I was planning. Fortunately I think I’ll be able to save most of the harvest, and it looks like the trichomes were nicely developed.
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Rootbound89
Rootbound89started grow question 7 days ago
I think I made the right decision to pull the plants early, I usually flush my plants for about 5 days, but due to the circumstances only flushed for 48hrs before cutting. Have you had any experience with not flushing? Do you think it will effect the taste of the finished product
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TruTraTri
TruTraTrianswered grow question 6 days ago
I don't flush and I am happy with my product. 👌 Flushing from my perspective.. if you don't push the phosphorus into the plant with a hammer and high concentration ... and until the last days. There is no issue 👌 At least for my stuff 😇
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ATLien415
ATLien415answered grow question 6 days ago
now we know who is growing flower we shouldn't spark up 😓 If you have been feeding your plant exactly with zero excess the entirety of the grow, then a flush would be pointless. Considering the plant is a dynamic biologic system with a vast array of triggers and impetus for various uptakes...I doubt you're feeding that properly. "This was a hypothesis that was never tested by the "bros" out there. It sounds good to the uneducated, right? Sounds science-y?" is basically word vomit. The only reason these folks don't flush is because of a few podcasters and youtubers a couple years back about tomatoes. Sorry, I don't smoke my tomatoes. My flower gets treated with much more care than my tomatoes. Considering that you can taste when a flush is bad, especially you living soil folks, you would then logically have to recognize that a good flush is...good. If you even type on a flushing question, you should be mandated to show pictures of your crop's ashes...because mine are white and float in the wind. A flush is only as good as the salts you are taking out. If your water going in has a lower EC than the water coming out, then you have removed free nutrients from the system. Saying that the plant has no perspiration system is only pedantically correct. Regardless, explain why EC values oscillate during daytime versus nighttime. And, that is game. GG
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00110001001001111O
00110001001001111Oanswered grow question 6 days ago
flushing is bro science. There's reputable source information out there that empirically shows it's nonsense. This was a hypothesis that was never tested by the "bros" out there. It sounds good to the uneducated, right? Sounds science-y? IF you run water through it, it shoudl dilute it, right? But that isn't what is happening. First, the plant has no excretion system. So what plant organs are carrying out this dilution? LOL. They don't fucking exist. changing the concentration in the substrate will eventually have an effect simply because you start providing less of a nutrient or multiple nutrients relative to rate of use... depending on the context of toxicity, if there is one, it'll take a long time to draw it back down to safer levels... as it uses up what is stored, since it has no system for excretion. Also, flower is a sex organ. Do you have a lot of fat in your balls? No, because sex organs aren't for storing that sort of thing, they are for reproducing. they have a specific function just as leaves and stems do. It's called cell differentiation. Different organs do differeent things even if there is insignificant overlap - e.g. just about anything green has chlorplasts in them.. But only the top layers of leaves are by far and away the most effective material for absorbing light and using that energ to build sugars, which power growth and maintenance of the plant. Had someoen soundn science-y contradict me in a recent question and all it did was make it obvious that person never took a chem or bio class beyond HS-level and went into a load of bro-science reasoning and evidence totally devoid of source knowledge to back it up.
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Week 15. Harvest
7 days ago
Happy Harvest Day!
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I think everything went pretty good, the biggest issue I had was environmental, with high heat and humidity. I’m glad I was able to cut early and walk away with something. I think all things considered, the genetics were fairly resistant to the presented issues. The harvest weight is still being sorted out, I probably lost about 30% total (between both strains)
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A little stressful towards the end, I hate to cut early, but overall, was really happy with the genetics and my nutrients, I feel like I made the right call pulling it early. Would love to know what you guys think too!
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Rootbound89
Rootbound89started grow question 7 days ago
For my next grow I’m thinking about adding a dehumidifier and a bigger A/C. I’d love to hear any feedback or suggestions on how I can improve my next grow. Thank you for all of your advice on the problems I had, I really appreciate it!
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Scrubbyjimbob
Scrubbyjimbobanswered grow question 6 days ago
Your setup looks similar to what you're gonna see in a section of a mass grow. I suspect you've either worked in a facility or at least copied the layout of someone who has. More doesn't always equal better though as you've discovered with the PM/Budrot issues you've had in your last grow. In my opinion your biggest problem is airflow and microenvironments. You could safely cut your plant numbers down by 1/3 or even by half and just train out the plants more to fill canopy space. I also don't think you're moving enough air through your environment. More fans inside your growspace and more/better exhaust or ditch the exhaust and run a closed system with CO2, in which case yeah get a good dehumidifier and AC. You run into more heat/humidity issues in a closed system though so exhaust might be simpler.
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 6 days ago
AC does the same job as a dehumidifier and it also cools. Could just rely on the AC unit alone unless its getting to cold. then get a small dehumidifier. I don't worry about RH unless its 65-70%+ to much engery wasted to keep a plant happy.
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Rootbound89
Rootbound89started grow question 7 days ago
Thank you all so much for the encouragement and m insight, I really appreciate how helpful everyone has been here! I’ll definitely be making some adjustments in my next grow. Are there any strains you would recommend I try next time (maybe something heat and mold resistant)
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Crusty_Juggler
Crusty_Juggleranswered grow question 6 days ago
Any equatorial sativa will tick both boxes but there are trade offs like long flowering time, fluffy buds, creepy and racy high. Panama and Malawi from Ace Seeds are both very nice. However, if you're looking for something powerful with dense caked out buds, get Platinum crosses from In House Genetics, I've grown many of them at perpetual 70-80% RH, peak flowering during the season where Botrytis spores peak, and zero mold in the Platinum crosses while watching other plants crumble away with mold right next to them. The crosses where Platinum is the mother should on have the strongest resistance e.g. Platinum Kush Breath (Remix), Platinum Jelly, Sugar Cane, but I haven't med any Platinum cross that wasn't resistant to mold, and I've grown +20 of them :) The Platinum crosses will tolerate heat within in reason but not nearly as much as the equatorial sativas, they can thrive at 35-40°C.
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KakalakaKid
KakalakaKidanswered grow question 6 days ago
I like lit farms and sol-fire stuff. Lit farms is mysterious but there seeds make good fire. Sol-fire has some beautiful offerings
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 6 days ago
larfy satvias tend to be more heat/rh/temp stable. allows for better airflow and lowers chances of mold/fungas. just not the best bag apeal.
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Fat_Olsh_Farms
Fat_Olsh_Farmscommentedweek 156 days ago
Beautiful buds! Cute pups🤘🏻🇺🇸.
Ninjabuds
Ninjabudscommentedweek 156 days ago
Fire 🔥 great work keep it up!!!
GERGrowDesigns
GERGrowDesignscommentedweek 137 days ago
Looking Good ! Keep up Growing :D
Spacehaze123
Spacehaze123commentedweek 137 days ago
The real ganja farmer 👌. Great setup. Maybe a little bit more fans and dehumidifier? I try to keep humidity in late flower around 45-50% .
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