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Had a few bagseeds sitting around and I wanted to try a grow. Germinated with paper towel for about 2 days then planted in a solo cup. Using Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil. Used a 65w 6500k CFL for seedling stage
Transplanted into a 1 gallon pot this week. Also finally started using the Viparspectra VT300 grow light, I kept the CFL I was previously using for veg and put it into another socket off to the side for more light.
Some pretty decent growth in week 4. I was still unaware that wind burn was even a thing so I had a small desk fan pointed directly at the canopy which probably slowed growth a bit. Also transplanted from the ~1 gallon pot to about a 2 or 2.5 gallon pot.
Topped the main stem about halfway through the week. Also finally discovered that the "claw" leaves weren't because of nutrient deficiencies/toxicities, but were a result of the fan I had blowing directly at the top of the plant.
Had some problems early in this week with nute burn so I flushed and lowered the amount of nutes by half. Supercropped a few main branches and continued with light defoliation. Completed final transplant into 5 gallon bucket which it responded well to.
Good growth this week. I continued defoliating the largest fan leaves and supercropped a few more of the taller branches to keep it at a reasonable height.
I've been getting some of the burnt tips as a result of the watering with nutes. The nute mixture is already half the recommended dose. I've tested my runoff pH and its about 4 or 5 even though I've been pHing my water to be around 7 and no lower than 6. Anyone have any tips?
Feed Water Water (check the drain) Water/or/Feed (depending on the last drain). You’re feeding to often , nutrients start to crystalize and turn into NaCl (salt) creating an hypertonic condition in the media and pH start to drop, the plant has to reverse the flow of her fluids (water) to turn the media back into an isotonic condition but she won’t be able to balance the pH .... you must give a good flush asap before serious problems start to appear !
Was going to do another week of veg but it was starting to outgrown my space so I decided to just switch to flowering. Flushed with about 4-5 gallons of 7 ph water, though runoff was stuck at about 5. It doesn't seem to be affecting growth. I gave it a few waterings with water that had a few TBSPs of baking soda added as I heard that was supposed to help raise soil ph. I also further reduced the concentration of nutrients by another 25% (now 37.5% of original recommended amount), as well as reducing how much nute water it got. Didn't see any new nutrient burn after either watering with nutrients but there's now a strange coloration in a few of the smaller, new branches' leaves. This doesn't seem to have affected growth either. Also got a hygrometer/thermometer so I could accurately keep track of those things instead of guessing.
Really good week for my girl. Showed a bit of stretch, growing 4 inches. I managed to bring the runoff pH back to at least 6.0 using a gallon of water and some baking soda. Bud sites are also looking pretty busy, pretty psyched about the flowers starting to come in.
Because of the stretch, my light was getting a little close to the canopy so in addition to giving the light more space, I used a rack from the shelf thing I have the bucket on to function as a sort of scrog. It has a pretty good shape for weaving the branches through and already is helping even out the height and space out the colas. Trichomes also started to come in on and around the bud sites, the only smell comes from touching the area and smells very sweet. I think I'm probably finished with defoliation, I left the top 2 sets of leaves as well as the ones growing out of the colas. Runoff ph was about a 6.5-7 so any ph issues appear to have been fixed and the coloration looks very healthy.
I currently have the secondary CFLs (2x65w) sort of below the canopy (see pictures) in an attempt to get more out of the shorter branches. Would I be better off moving them up towards the top or will the lower portion have some use for the light?
Well before i answer the Question, its no mistake to add some more light, if you can. Your Girls will be grateful and the Buds will develop better.
So back to your answer. youve managed it to give her anice scrog. And personally me wont give some light under the canopy, If there are little flowers, pick them and let them dry.. always a nice "midtime" smoke. I would concentrate on the canopy flowers, and pick away the ones from the bottom. If they are quite near to the canopy, let them grow, they may grow much more. happy growing
As per the recommendation of a few people I trimmed up the lower portion fairly heavily. Did so in 2 sessions over 2 days and it drastically helped airflow as most of the space was taken up by leaves. In retrospect I probably should have waited a few days in between trimmings because there wasn't much change for a few days afterwards. I also tried to take a clone from one of the clippings but after 4 days it still hadn't shown any sign of rooting. While moving the 2 CFLs, one of them fell and broke at the top, I was using the bluer light temp CFL to try to veg the clone but after it didn't root I just moved it back into the main space to replace the one that broke. Buds are starting to smell, it's pretty unnoticeable unless you're close up.
Well "she" is now also a "he". Between the questionable genetics that come from bagseed and my occasional sloppiness with light leaks and too late pruning, she hermied. Spotted a few nanners about 3 days into the week and by that time it looks like they already pollinated because after looking around some more I started to see seed pods and a few balls. Unfortunate because the colas were just starting to fill out. I've been plucking all nanners, seeds, and any balls I see but it seems futile. I have several questions which i will post individually in the comments later.
Last week of nutes before I flush. Did a bit more defoliating at the top because at this point why not try to expose the lower budsites? Not much else to say for this week, just waiting it out for a couple more weeks.
Last full week. Started flushing this week, gave it a gallon of pHed water the first few waterings, then ran an extra half gallon which flushed the soil pretty well. A few leaves have already lost color so it's clear the flush is working so far and the buds and smaller leaves have sort of started to show purple around the edges. I'll probably harvest at 110 days, flush should be more than done by then.
Lesson learned; don't try to make bagseed work, it probably won't turn out like you want it. Smells great, very sweet and fruity and hints of purple around the top buds makes it very appealing to the eyes. Obviously I'm disappointed that it hermied but the yield should still be adequate when all is dried and trimmed.
Day 109 (53 of flower) and it's harvest time. Weight of the untrimmed buds: top of canopy buds-224.6g/7.9oz, popcorn/larfy buds-62.8g/2.2oz. Gonna do a dry trim because the humidity is about right from what I've read. Overall a very educational experience for my first ever grow and if I decide to grow again I'll have the knowledge to really make it a great grow.
*Update* Just under 1 week after harvest. Buds took about 4 days to dry (some of which was in the open curing jar) and have been curing for a few days. Its starting to regain its dank smell but still mostly the post harvest chlorophyll smell. Also about 5-7 grams of small, untrimmed bud as well as probably 5-10 grams of trim/sugar leaves that will probably be used for butter or something.
@le_epic_doge, yeah I'm with you on that i just wanted to throw it out there its a nice natural way. But yea deff. let the soil dry out an make sure your not over watering an easy way to ensure you are not is to feel the weight of the pot when it's dry and the the weight of it when it is wet. and once you feel those weights you will be able to tell if they need water just by lifting the pot😎 simple yet effective I've been doing it for years now👍
@Thee_HoffGuyy, I don't think its bad enough to make all that stuff. From what I've read as long as I dry out the topsoil they'll die out. If it gets worse I'll definitely try this but I don't want to have to
@le_epic_doge, make a cinnamon solution/tea or just put some cinnamon powder on the soil they hate the smell and it will help keep them from getting in there and laying eggs. To make a spray Take like 1/2gal water bring it to a boil once it has reached a boil, take it off and put into a container/bottle you can shake up with hot! water in it. add 2TBS of the cinnamon powder into the hot water or already have in your bottle before you pour the boiling hot water into it. shake well and let sit to cool after about 12hrs you will have a brownish colored tea that smells like cinnamon. now you just got to strain the tea and put into spray bottle then spray soil, plant, whole grow ten it will reek like cinnamon but i love it and it way better than neem oil Good luck Happy Growing!!
Very nice Pictures and a good idea with the scrog.... She looks healthy and well trimmed, but i fear you will need more light from above, ... it will make a big difference. I wont give her light from under the canopy, it may worry her( growing in light direction. I think the lower branches can make it to the canopy. and if they are to low...... cut them. Your Girls have anice shape. I would defoilate the 15 cm from the bottom and let the other branches like they are , to grow in direction to the light
OR:::: you put your pot onto something, to lift the hole plant, so that more budsites aboce the scroc.
Then tra to "web" the branches into the scrog (very soft) so that the plant is spread and the canopy is even.
You can look @mad_scientist he does it in perfection
@Mrs_Larimar, I took one of the bigger ones from the bottom that was otherwise getting thrown out and found another space to put it so it will have some veg time. There weren't any flowers yet so it should hopefully grow at least semi normal.
@le_epic_doge,well just try it......normally you take the clones earlier, so that they habve more time to grow... but try it.....i have no big experience in cloning... just do it accidently, if i snap a branch^^
@Mrs_Larimar, I just finished trimming the bottom portion and now I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to take a clone, plant it, and just give it 12/12 in the same space as the mother
If your girl is pollinated, i would let them grow like she is.......no taking away of seeds. she will give you still a smokeable weed,. If you pull out the seeds the buds may damaged.
you may have alot of seeds but who cares.... its happened and you may make a smiling face to the fact of a pollinated plant.
@Mrs_Larimar, I'm pretty bummed it hermied. I may order from a seedbank to get some good genetics if I go another round. At least if I do I'll know how to do things instead of just hoping I did them right.
Hey hope i was able to help! Also i forgot to mention make sure your pH pen is calibrated or if you are using drop or strips i would recommend investing in a pH pen because if your not at the right pH not only will the plant not like it but your kinda just wasting money on nutes that won't get absorbed you know? Happy Growing!! if you have any other questions don't be afraid to ask buddy👊👍
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