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Germination
3mo ago
Nutrients 1
Monster Bud Mix - Zamnesia
Monster Bud Mix
5 mll
DomForester Didn't take pics during germination so just a quick note here: In previous runs I had half the tent size and just one (less powerful) light and thought more plants = more yield. This time I was going to flip that around and do two or three Auto Cinderella Jacks under my two FC1500EVOs. When DutchPassion shipped my seeds I got one Auto Lemon Kix as a freebie. Cinderella Jacks had a pretty bad germ ratio of only 50%, so now I'm going with two of those plus the one Lemon Kix. All planted in 19L fabric pots. When the first germ round only gave me one Cinderella Jack seedling, I germed another one or two. That one is now established but about a week behind the first one. Lemon Kix germed and established beautifully and came with a nice surprise...
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Glass Of Water
Germination Method
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Week 1. Vegetation
3mo ago
3 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
25 °C
Day Air Temp
6.3
pH
No Smell
Smell
75 %
Air Humidity
21 °C
Night Air Temp
19 liters
Pot Size
0.01 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
DomForester Cindy#1 proved to be the strongest and is starting up just fine. Elke turned out to be a tricot - three instead of two cotyledons grew from one seed, now developing into two separate stems. Never seen this before and absolutely loving it! Should make for a broad lady once I'm starting LST.
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Week 2. Vegetation
3mo ago
5 cm
Height
24 hrs
Light Schedule
25 °C
Day Air Temp
6.3
pH
No Smell
Smell
70 %
Air Humidity
22 °C
Night Air Temp
19 liters
Pot Size
0.05 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
DomForester I'm getting more and more excited about Elke's secondary stem. Cindy #1 is looking like a nice young salad. Both getting wider and wider without much vertical stretch yet. They currently live right next to a few West-African Landrace Sativas of the same age and the difference in expression is striking. Drinking very well and I have to hold back not to water every day. Plain pH adjusted water only, No nutes yet. FC1500EVO currently at 45% and 35cm - should be a bit more dimmed but I need the light power to keep temps in check until my heater arrives.
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Week 3. Vegetation
2mo ago
7 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
26 °C
Day Air Temp
6.4
pH
No Smell
Smell
70 %
Air Humidity
24 °C
Night Air Temp
19 liters
Pot Size
0.15 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
DomForester Both grew mostly horizontally this past week and once the 4th or 5th node was there I started LST. On Cindy (Cinderella Jack) I anchored the stem first with a u-shaped peg, then bent the top at about a 45deg angle first, later adjusted to close to 90deg. On the tricot (Lemon Kix "Elke") I just bent both stems in opposite directions without anchoring anything. I had a little moth larva munching on a few of Elke's leaves. Found it and gave it a new home outside of the tent. No more chewed up leaves since then. Also had to add a bunch of nematodes (?) with the last watering to try and combat an annoying fungus gnats infestation. Happened in a few of my previous grows too but never did anything about it (and it didn't seem to have caused any real issues with the plants then) but I figured I'll try and get rid of them this time around. Does anyone have experience with those buggers?
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LST
Technique
4
Week 4. Vegetation
2mo ago
10 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
30 °C
Day Air Temp
6.4
pH
No Smell
Smell
70 %
Air Humidity
25 °C
Night Air Temp
19 liters
Pot Size
0.4 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 3
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
2 mll
Bio-Grow - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Grow
2 mll
Bio-Bloom - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Bloom
2 mll
DomForester While Elke (Lemon Kix) is minding her business vegging along, Cindy (Cinderella Jack) decided to show pistils 21 days after germination 🤯 I’ve had autos before that went early but this one takes the cake! LST started just a week ago - I hope that bit of structure she developed up to now is enough of a base… Skipped BB Grow on Cindy and went straight to BB Bloom.
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LST
Technique
5
Week 5. Flowering
2mo ago
15 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
6.4
pH
Weak
Smell
63 %
Air Humidity
23 °C
Night Air Temp
19 liters
Pot Size
0.75 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
3 mll
Bio-Bloom - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Bloom
3 mll
DomForester Cindy 3 is about a week behind the other two but started showing pistils along the same schedule (3 weeks after germination). I’m leaving her untrained just because I’ve LST’d damn near everything since last year and had some appetite for a traditional shape. Also testing vigor and yield differences with my new lights comparing to last year. Elke is having a bit of a rough time - I believe it might have something to do with the fact that I ran out of my regular soil mix when planting her and I gave her a bunch of leftovers instead. Soil feels much denser, less airy than that of the other plants. Maybe struggling with root development due to more compacted soil? My only concern about Cindy 1 is the fact that she’s still so flat and no meaningful flower stretch yet. Fingers crossed this week goes vertical!
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LST
Technique
6
Week 6. Flowering
2mo ago
20 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
28 °C
Day Air Temp
6.4
pH
Normal
Smell
58 %
Air Humidity
50 °C
Night Air Temp
19 liters
Pot Size
1 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
3 mll
Bio-Bloom - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Bloom
4 mll
DomForester Elke (Lemon Kix - the lighter green one) has stabilized after last week’s slump. Filling in a bit more and gaining some colour again it seems. Cindy1 (Cinderella Jack - the darker LST’d one) is well into flower now, stacking here and and there. Im mildly disappointed with their overall size. Maybe too much LST given their very short veg time. Curious what Cindy3 (Cinderella Jack - no training) is going to deliver untrained, compared to the other two tiny LST’s autos.
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LST
Technique
7
Week 7. Flowering
1mo ago
21 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
28 °C
Day Air Temp
6.4
pH
Normal
Smell
55 %
Air Humidity
24 °C
Night Air Temp
19 liters
Pot Size
1 liters
Watering Volume
45 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
3 mll
Bio-Bloom - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Bloom
4 mll
DomForester These better deliver some grade A quality… Really disappointed with just how short the LST’d ones have ended up. Probably should have taken it a bit easier on them but I still cant get over the fact that they started flowering just 21 days after germinating. The only one in there thats keeping my spirits up a little is the untrained Cinderella Jack. Pretty much doubled in height over the past 10 days or so and still stretching.
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Week 8. Flowering
1mo ago
21 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
6.4
pH
Normal
Smell
55 %
Air Humidity
23 °C
Night Air Temp
19 liters
Pot Size
1 liters
Watering Volume
45 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
3 mll
Bio-Bloom - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Bloom
4 mll
DomForester Buds swelling little by little. Hope the untrained one still finds some strength to fill up the gaps on her main cola. Can’t wait to finish these up and move the outdoor photos into the tent for flip.
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Week 9. Flowering
1mo ago
21 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
29 °C
Day Air Temp
6.4
pH
Normal
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
24 °C
Night Air Temp
19 liters
Pot Size
1 liters
Watering Volume
45 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Calmag - BioBizzWWO
Calmag
3 mll
Bio-Bloom - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Bloom
3 mll
DomForester Weird. I’m seeing a few amber but mostly clear trichomes on Cindy1. No milky ones. Will double check tomorrow but does anyone know what that might be about? Also, whats up with Cindy3’s leaves (the tall one)? That doesnt look like normal senescence during mid flower…
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Week 11. Harvest
15d ago
Happy Harvest Day!
Rated
5/10
Rated
Not happy with how tiny this one stayed. Had high hopes after discovering I had a tricotyledon but quite disappointed with yield. I doubt I’ll get even 20g dry.
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Spent 66 days
Ger Veg Flo Har
85 g
Bud wet weight per plant
1
Plants
0.7
Grow Room size
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DomForester Saw a few amber trichomes and I like them on the active and less sedative side so it was time to chop. Finally freeing up space to move one of the big ones into the tent and flip!
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Week 11. Harvest
12d ago
Happy Harvest Day!
Rated
5/10
Rated
Even the untrained one only gave a tiny yield (90g wet) where I thought my aggressive LST was the main cause for them staying tiny.
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Ger Veg Flo Har
115 g
Bud wet weight per plant
2
Plants
0.7
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DomForester All done now. Could have waited another week or two but swelling had stopped and quite frankly I wast hesitating to close this chapter. Disappointing yield across all three plants: Cinderella Jack (LST) - 139g wet Cinderella Jack (untrained) - 90g wet Lemon Kix (LST) - 85g wet Total - 314g wet with stems etc included. Nothing to write home about. I’m happy I left one CJ untrained as I thought my LST on the other one might have been too aggressive for their short veg time and stalled her. Turns out that one did even less than the small LST’s one. Yes there were a couple heatwaves that drove tent temps towards 30c a few times but no more than a couple hours total throughout the entire grow. Now back to getting excited - tent is freed up to relocate and flip my outdoor Purple and Sativas.
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Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimar commentedweek 32mo ago
cj is a wonderful lovely growing plant- i had her indoors aswell, your light setup is pretty strong- you can reduce your lights both to 50 percent - so you still havw a good coverage and more than enought intesnity--- like someone said before- less is more
DomForester
DomForester commented2mo ago
@Mrs_Larimar, it’s at 55% and 35cm right now. not too far off from your recommendation
DuschkabinenGrow
Would you be open to some feedback? I’m definitely not an expert, but there are a few things I’m pretty sure could help. I just wanted to ask first if you would like to hear my thoughts.
DuschkabinenGrow
DuschkabinenGrow commented9d ago
@DomForester, I also checked the Dutch Passion description for Auto Cinderella Jack, and there are already a few hints that this plant naturally tends to stay compact. They describe her as compact, medium-sized, and mostly average in height. They also mention that she is best grown indoors in a SOG setup, and that because of her compact nature, she is not really ideal for scrogging, bending, cropping, or super-cropping. The larger sativa-dominant phenotype seems to be more of an exception. So in this case, I would not blame the grower too much. It might simply be the genetics doing what they are supposed to do. In a SOG setup with many small plants, maybe even in 0.5 to 1 liter pots, I think this strain could actually be great.
DomForester
DomForester commented9d ago
@DuschkabinenGrow, yooo thanks for putting so much thought and time into this! On light intensity: It was my first run with new lights. Might have been a bit too cautious but I did have a feeling the manufacturer guidance was on the low side and they could have used more during veg. On feeding: I skipped BioBizz Grow entirely because I hadnt even started feeding when they began flowering. I had 2/3 dose Monster Bud Mix (slow release full cycle) in the soil so I thought they’d be getting enough N by week 4 and went straight to BioBizz Bloom. I believe I started feeding CalMag too because leaves showed definciency. But I’ll definitely have to pay more attention to dosage guidelines - I realized (too late) that I went a bit over. On water: Im pHing to somewhere around 6.0-6.4 every watering (measured and adjusted after adding nutes of course). No idea about minerals except I think it’s supposed to be somewhat “hard” water. I actually prefer using water from my rain water tank when there aren’t three heatwaves in 2 months… On soil: This is a big one and I need some advice here. Ive been using veggie garden soil from the garden center and add around 10% perlite. I did have the feeling that it turns pretty dense after watering for a few weeks. Any suggestions on how to improve and mix up something that stays more airy? On genetics: I agree partially. I should have read the info earlier and not LST’d her that hard. But the untrained one yielded even less… I’ve grown autos with similar breeder info before (Short veg - although Ive never seen 4 weeks - medium height, etc) and under worse condition that grew 50% more biomass then these. Im currently cultivating my first batch of compost and am about to order the basic stuff from Biotabs to try a different route. Any other suggestions welcome! Again, thanks for your super constructive feedback! Much appreciated!
DuschkabinenGrow
DuschkabinenGrow commented8d ago
@DomForester, Feeding: I would say they probably did not need any fertilizer at all. The Monster Bud Mix and the soil should already contain enough nutrients, including magnesium, so I do not think CalMag was really necessary here. Soil: I have not found my perfect soil yet. Well, actually I kind of have, BioBizz Light Mix with peat, but peat-based soils will probably become harder to get in the future. In general, herb soils can work quite well because they are usually fine and airy, but keep an eye on the pH according to packaging. I would add extra perlite, around 20 percent, but not too much, because otherwise it can start floating around when watering. I always fill the pots quite full, shake them a little, and water them in, because the soil will compact over time. Personally, I prefer feeding the plant later instead of heavily enriching the soil beforehand. My last attempt with autos unfortunately failed, but in the future I would use a low-nutrient, airy soil and only feed just enough to keep the plant happy. Too much is usually worse than slightly too little. In this case though, I really think it was mainly the genetics.
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MyBigFatSummerofGrow
Keep your head up. One shorty is fine. You still got a few buds to harvest/
MyBigFatSummerofGrow
Cindy is in bloom? I saw that in other diaries, Forbidden Cherry by Dutch Passion to be exact. Anyways, the plant went into early blooming phase but it also kept on growing for quite some time. Fingers crossed Cindy will also keep on growing.
miasmatic
miasmatic commentedweek 22mo ago
less is usually more in the phase.. do a finger test and that's it :)
damod87
damod87 commentedweek 23mo ago
Yeah bro! Looking strong
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