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Seed placed directly in moistened jiffy pellet. No soak, no paper towel.
Distilled water only until first leaf set, then light solution mixed around 300 ppm/6.0 ph at day 5.
Seedling and taproot popped out in 2 days.
Sprinkled Great White all over the bottom and sides of jiffy pot, making sure not to smother taproot.
Transferred into jiffy pot with triple buffered coco/perlite 50/50 mix.
7.5ml/gal calmag+ @ 5.8 ph for buffer solution.
QB288 LM301b 3000k Quantum Board LED set @ 25% power.
Placed under 24/0 light for the first 4 days, then 20/4
Using salt lamp (improvising) as a dimmable heat source to keep temp consistent for germination.
Taproot emerged from bottom of jiffy pot @ day 8.
Removed jiffy pot, sprinkled Great White on root zone and transfer hole.
Transferred into 15L Airpot with the same 50/50 coco/perlite.
Lights are now 20/4. Quantum board set to 50% power.
Working ppm slowly up to 500 ppm by the end of the week.
Cracked open a fresh young coconut (green) and added the water @ 15 ml gal to the feed @ day 11
(No Calmag+ for this day)
Daily feed, watering around the edges and corners of the pot. Little to no runoff.
Light schedule moved down to 18/6
Quantum Board at 75% power now.
Continuing to feed 400-500 ppm.
1L daily (split 3x day) around the edges of the pot.
5 drops floralicious plus per liter. I store mine in a little dropper bottle for convenience.
Day 16
Fimmed
Day 17
Added 15ml/l coconut water extracted from fresh young coconut to normal feed. (no calmag+)
Day 19
Increased A&B feed to 10ml/gal, increased Armor Si to 1ml/l., added drip clean at .4ml/gal or about 4 drops per liter.
Day 20
Adding about 1ml ph down to solution due to Armor si raising the ph to 8.0. After adding, ph went up to 6.3 in 24 hours, at which point a fresh 5.8 ph solution was fed.
Day 21
Runoff water coming out at 440ppm and 6.2ph. Air dome turned on.
Day 22
QB288 at 100% output. Same feed.
Day 23
FIM #2, snipped lower this time.
FIM #1 (week 3) was snipped slightly higher than needed to divide the top cola (fuck, I really missed)
You can tell it was snipped too high by looking at the recovered growth for that nodes leafset.
(Only the tips are snipped.) This small error is fine, as it still helped promote bushy side growth.
Exactly what I need for the scrog.
Day 24
Using an IR thermometer to get the leaf temp directly vs ambient reading in the tent.
Leaf/Canopy temp shows nearly 10 degrees cooler than the ambient thermometers.
Daily tucking/pulling to expose side shoots.
Day 25
Pre-flower adjustment to feed:
Dropped Sensi Grow Coco A&B (I only use them in veg)
Dropped down Armor Si to 2.5 ml/gal instead of 4ml
Switched feed to Jacks 321:
-Jacks Hydroponics @ 3.6 g/gal
-Jacks Calcium Nitrate @ 2.5 g/gal
-Giles Epsom Salt (Magnesium Sulfate USP) @ 1.2 g/gal
650-675 ppm after mixed in 120 ppm aerated tap water
PH stable 24 hours at 6.0
Mix order:
Aerated tap water> Armor Si > Epsom >CalMag>Jacks Hydro> Cal Nit>Diamond Nectar> Floralicious Plus>Drip clean
CalMag only used as needed
Weekly microbe root drench mix:
Great White myco root drenched once a week, mixed only in water with Diamond Nectar, Floralicious Plus and fresh young coconut water.
Day 26
Plant seems to lean towards indica dom, taking on traits such as a short, compact shrub-like shape and wide leaves
Top and side shoots catching up at about equal length
Training along the first screen.
Second tier screen is up for precautionary stretch and tie-down support
Added cool mist humidifier to keep RH around 60%
Brewing microbe tea for a few days with some ewc that will be fed with my weekly root drench mix
(small portion of ewc in a straining bag with tsp of unsulphured molasses in a gallon + air stone)
Day 27
Put together and installed new led fixture:
- YXO DOB4075 110v solderless dob/cob @ 3500k/50w a piece
- 4=200w total output. Running around 350w now with QB
- Heatsink fits perfectly on top of the QB's heatsink and provides more focused side lighting
Light schedule at 16/8
Stepping down 2 hours every 2 days until day 32, which will be 12/12
Day 28
One month in. Time flies.
Top feed in @ 750ppm/6.0ph
Runoff @ 690ppm/6.1ph
New chip lights cured on the heatsinks successfully
Temp of heatsinks around 150f, only cooled by carbon filter exhaust.
Canopy temp @ max 79f, cooled by small side fan
Can go up to 84f direct leaf temp with cob/led in veg
As buds develop later in bloom, it's best to not exceed 75f direct temp to better preserve terpenes
*Direct temp - IR thermometer, not ambient reading
Weird colors in some pics because my phone sucks with white balance
Makes it look edited with a cheap filter app
Using an actual camera from now on
Week 5:
Not much to see.
Logging notes for future reference.
Same feed as the end of week 4.
Manual feeding with an autopot:
Top fed a few days, then bottom feeding 2L a day, spaced out 3 or 4 times.
Not using aquavalve or big res yet. Mixing fresh 2L daily.
Pouring about 500ml or so in the bottom res, where the aquavalve sits.
Plant drinks what it needs within a few hours, then refill with same amount.
This way, there isn't any water stagnating for too long.
In my environment, it can turn into a microbe cesspool fast.
I had root rot issues in previous grows that I'd like to avoid now.
When she stops wicking feed, the remaining gets siphoned out.
The big res and aquavalve are used when I'm away for more than a day.
No floralicious plus or any microbes on those days.
Strong tropical/diesel/spicy/skunk notes in the growroom when the exhaust fan is lowered.
Daily tuck and pull through the screen as shoots stretch out.
End of the week:
Tons of root activity poking around the bottom of the pot and some growing through the root control potsock.
That's a good sign to back off on excess moisture at the bottom.
Need the roots to spend energy spreading inside the pot.
Will go back to top feed around the edges w/20% runoff
Microbe root-drench then bloom booster feed to open week 6
Check run-off and adjust as needed
Week 6
Greengenes Bloom Booster formula, mixed per gal, fresh daily:
2g Jacks Hydro
2g Epsom
2.7g Cal Nit
1.2g MOAB or MKP
740 ppm w/additives
End: Day 42
Pulled tops down through screen and exposed as many side shoots as possible
Added:
15ml/liter freshly extracted young coconut water added to feed mid-week.
It's full of natural plant hormones to boost growth, provides a great amount of carbs and
it makes the feed water smell really good. Almost tropical.
Same feed as week 6
Dropped Armor Si
PPM in at 740/out at 1000
Diluted feed to 450ppm & fed until runoff lowered to 750.
Day 44
Lightly defoliated below the screen
Day 45
DIY terpinator (6%) by Dr. Who, added
227g K2SO4 per gallon distilled water
1/8th tsp dark brown sugar
A pinch of citric acid to lower ph and preserve
I prefer to mix fresh at 7g k2so4 per 4oz distilled water
Mix is applied to feed at 10ml/gal
Total ppm around 780
Day 46
Corn SST fed
3 tbsp soaked amish heirloom organic blue corn kernels for 12 hours/sprouted at 2 days
4 oz bottled water (i used 5 day bubbled microbe drench water)
Blended until it looks like milk
Strain
Added the 4oz sst to 4oz microbe drench
used 4oz of this to normal feed and fed until 20% runoff
This SST drench is good for 2 gallons. 4 oz per gal of feed.
Fed once a week, discontinued mid bloom.
Microbe drench bubbled for 5 days:
EWC chip (coin sized)
1/8th tsp Great White
Few drops of unsulphured molasses, continued at day 3
Air stone bubbler in 2L bottle
Pistils starting to grow in.
Lots of stretching happened.
This one plant has effectively taken up the entire tent space
Front to back, top to bottom.
Canopy is 5" away from the light at the highest point...
There is fresh air passing through keeping temps at 75-80f
I didn't anticipate this much stretch, but I think it'll work out fine.
That's the sativa surprise right there 😄
I'm mostly worried about burning off terpenes, so I may have to dim the lights down for the last week.
All this surprise stretching happening... :)
I'm usually used to indicas and have my lights 14-20" above the canopy.
This is wild. The sativa traits on this one are really showing this week.
Have to adjust and tie down a few huge stems
IR temp reading of the highest tip reaches about 75-80f. Lower stems about 70-72f.
I'm keeping it nice and cool to prevent heat stress.
Ambient reading outside the tent is between 60-70f.
Been feeding normal 3.6/2.4/1.2 feed.
Back to bloom boost feed with moab next week.
PPM IN @ 745
PPM OUT @ 1100
Fed at 75% strength and 'flushed' until runoff adjusted to 800.
Usually have to do this once at the end of every week.
Never letting runoff ppm rise 400+ above feed.
Day 60
Decided to supercrop @ lights out after a heavy feed
First time supercropping. This was jarring at first, but had no issues. Took it slow.
Plant fully recovered by next afternoon. All stem tips and bud sites pointing up.
This method has given me around 12" of breathing room between the lights and canopy.
Fed fresh coconut water @ 50ml/l
This plant has been very resilient to stress and has responded to training very well.
Day 63
Great response after supercropping
Bloom booster feed with moab for the next 2 weeks
Day 69
Bloom booster feed w/moab
2g - Jacks Hydro
2g - Epsom Salt
2.7g - Cal/Nit
1g - Moab
1/8th tsp Potassium sulfate
1 tsp molasses
Feeding up to 2 gallons a day
Smells sour, like a tropical lime/citrus drink on top of pine sol, light skunk and diesel.
Day 76
Happy Thanksgiving
Found a calyx growing on a fan leaf! 10 years of growing, never seen this before.
Internet says this is common with strains that carry traits from a chinensis species, originating from indo-china?
I initially thought it was all the natural hormones I was supplementing with from the coconut water and sst.
Not sure what it means, but looks like a cool mutation
Ran out of moab but also have some dry koolbloom which will work fine
2g Jacks Hydro
2g Epsom Salt
5ml Cal/Mag
Tbsp Unsulfured Blackstrap Molasses
2.7g Cal/Nit
1g Dry KoolBloom
1ml Floralicious Plus
Pinch of yucca extract
Pinch of Great White every few days
Mixed in that order
Feeding up to 2 gal a day
Smell is more sour than ever this week. Lots of citrus, little bit of sweet. Very pungent
Day 82
Still about 2-3 weeks away from chop window, not counting extra time for some amber trichs
So far so good. Things are looking juicy. The fume/fuel smell is getting stronger
Day 83
Still has a lot of time left to swell and ripen up. Probably 2 more weeks.
Smell is very strong and fumey
Dropping dry koolbloom and going back to jacks 321 feed
PPM in @ 700
PPM out @ 745
Day 90:
3/2/1 Jacks feed
1 tsp Dark brown sugar
PPM in @ 720
PPM out @ 750
Very fumey sweet diesel smell
Still needs a lot more time to ripen up
Could be a Christmas week chop 👍
Day 97
She's still bulking, throwing out white pistils all over the place.
I'll try a 10/14 schedule and see how she reacts.
For such a short veg period, her flowering period is a lot longer than what I'm used to.
This could be a while..
Added fresh coconut water @ 15ml/L to the feed to start the week
Day 107
Feeding half strength jacks 2/2/2.5
1/4 tsp Cha Ching
1 tsp unsulphured molasses
Dropping ppm gradually throughout the week and letting leaves yellow, then just water until chop.
Extra sticky frosty trichs all over with a powerful sinus punching citrus and hints of pine sol
I had some airy, but very ripe side larf chopped down a few days ago that I was able to test in my arizer eq vape.
There's so much citrus/limonene produced in the vapor. It's packed with flavor and it's such a clean upper high without the rush.
Very calm, headache melting, headbuzz with a light weighted blanket feeling on your body.
And that's just larf.
Can't wait to try the real harvest after a cure. When that will be... Sometime in the next year 😅
Day 115
Leaves are fading to yellow and it's starting to look like autumn in the tent
Lots and lots of trichome activity in the last week
Very frosty and sticky fat calyxes all over
Big, dense colas are leaning over
Smell is very pungent and fumey when handled
Sweet punch sherbet, lemony pine sol and diesel notes
Can really see and smell why it's called gelato
Despite lower night temps, my pheno did not go purple, but she's still very tasty looking
Watering with regular ph tap water, flawless finish and a pinch of yucca
PPM in @ 120
PPM runoff @ 240
Day temps have been 70f for the past 2 weeks as I've dimmed the QB light to about 80%
PPM will be below 200 for 2 days before chop later this week
Got one more seed. Starting another journal to try mainlining for better height control
I wonder how green gelato would turn out crossbred with blue mystic (blueberry X northern lights)
Day 119 - Final update before harvest
Nice fade. Clean flush. Chopping in 2 days.
Hanging for a week or so and dry trimming
Next update will be dry weight and a review
First pic really shows all of that organized chaos.
Would have been royally screwed if I didn't supercrop because the topped main shoots exceeded my height space.
It's not great looking, but I was thankfully able to adapt with the limited height space by also dimming lights a bit.
Next try will be improved with main-lining, more training and better height control.
Should be nearly 1m in max height for my grow space.
This pheno grew TALL, almost double that, at max advertised height.
All of that stretching gave me cold sweat for a while. 😂
Still vaping on some sneak peek side larf that has been curing and the flavor is out of this world!
Chop and dry week
Day 5 of hanging
Currently 55% RH at 70f
Very nice, dense buds on this one!
Super healthy roots. The color is from floralicious and molasses feeds.
Larf drying in a cardboard box below.
Dry weight and review after a short cure in the following week
@happytrees, 10 years in myself as well funnily enough and as you said, still learning each and every grow. It looks like I have some phenos sharing the same characteristics as yours. I have limited space to keep mums, but I intend to keep 3-4, but I’d be good with just 1-2 as well. I have taken clones of the best looking and most vigorously growing plants. They all rooted within 7 days. Which is already a good sign. I really hope to get lucky in terms of the phenos this time round with the Green Gelato’s. And to be honest, I think you will pull more than 2oz , I’m guessing (and hoping) more in the at least 3oz range. I’ve seen some great scores on the scale from some growers having grown Green Gelato and doing extensive training. Best of luck on your way forward as well!
@MEANGREEN, Couldn't agree more. All about that tlc. Sounds very relatable, minus the glow-up growspace on my end. Almost 10 years myself. Definitely teaches you a lot! Still learning much more.👍 I got really lucky with this pheno. First one didn't pop. It's almost like it was a sign.. lol. If I had the space, I would totally make this one a mother. For my personal needs, 2oz will go a long way in my vape. Hoping to shoot for more than that with all this training. Would totally have a field day in your setup. Best of luck on your way forward!
@happytrees, When I started growing I started with 1 single plant, because out of the 3 seeds I bought, only one would germinate.
It's only years after of trying it out very small scale that I scaled up to the amount of plants I am currently growing. However, it's not about the amount of plants you have, it's about how much TLC you give them individually :-) The main reason for me to have 40 (of which only 32 are left at the moment) is to look for great phenotypes and hold on to those. I would love to have all 32 of my Green Gelatos looking as lush and bushy as yours! Cheers MG
@Nickeluring, Totally feel you. I didn't anticipate any of that extended stretching. My canopy was looking so well last week too. Hopefully your pheno turns out the way you want.
The colas don't actually grow sideways, by the way. The very top portion of the cola naturally bends itself upwards towards the light, so what you get is this near 90 degree L shape, as shown in my supercrop recovery pic.
The budsites below the top shoot naturally find their way pointing towards the light and look like mini trees. It's really cool to look at. I'll try to get better pics of this after full recovery.
@happytrees, I was hoping the way she has been trained, she won't stretch so much, but you never know...I sure hope I won't have to do any late super cropping, my colas wouldn't be happy growing sideways. The plan from start was to do all the training at the beginning and none in the end.
@Nickeluring, Thanks man! I was forced to supercrop every top shoot for some headroom. I can't vouch for it enough.
Give it a go if you run into similar issues. Mine adapted to it within 12 hours. She doesn't mind it at all!
Your plant is beyond happy and would totally endure it. I see you're using silica. That will help a lot.
@Nickeluring, Man, I hope so.. I'm too eager to get this finished and get started on a mainlining experiment. Stumbling onto your journal got me really into it. Def looking forward to that method after seeing your results 💪
Nice looking buds, buddy. I love the bud on the fan leaf. Haha, perhaps I shouldn't have defoliated my plants.
Be careful when using strings for training. They can cut your plants if you're unlucky.
@Nickeluring, Thanks for the heads up! Much appreciated.
I use paracord with hooks to do my tie downs. Really good stuff to work with. Very safe!
The lower scrog net in the pic is really thin and cheap material, so I ended up not using it as much as the top scrog
Had to loosen it up early on just to avoid those cuts you mentioned
The buds look so good! I'm happy for you that it tastes so well. I can't wait to try mine. Mine is all alone in the tent now and she's bulking up nicely and her smell is the best I've ever smelled. She'll shortly be joined by a few seedlings, though.
Happy harvest times!! I have 2 plants hanging at the moment while waiting for the Green Gelato to finish up.
@Nickeluring, Semi-legal here as well. Indoor only. Blueberry is definitely a top strain to try if you're looking for tasty flavor.
Not that big in yield on her own. Blue gelato sounds like a great option with flavor and yield.
@happytrees, I must regretfully admit I have never tried Blueberry, or any strain with Blueberry in it. I'm always on the lookout for tasty strains, but I haven't found a strain with Blueberry with the correct grow stats for me just yet. I got 3 Blueberry freebie seeds a little while ago, but after reviewing expected yield I thought they weren't worth growing. I'll pop those seeds once I have my own outdoor space instead. I'm lucky to live in a place where it's kind of almost semi-legal to grow a little bit - but not really. I could still get busted if not being careful. It seems like you're in a place that is a bit more sensitive...
@Nickeluring, Dude! I had no idea that blue gelato 41 strain existed! That's exactly what I wanted to crossbreed. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
I haven't tried anything from Barney's Farm yet. Unfortunately, it is out of stock from my trusted source. Not sure if they will get it back in stock.
I really need to get my hands on that. Blueberry is my #1 most favorite strain to vape. Phenos with sweet thick berry and diesel fumes are mouthwatering to me.
Congrats, nice looking buds. Just fyi root mass isn't really a good measure of root health and effectiveness. The swirly roots like you have in the pictures are not effective roots, you want to see a root ball that doesn't have any roots wrapping around the outside. The old mature roots that are swirled around the bottom and outside don't uptake water and nutrients. This is the reason for air pruning potting containers, they prevent roots from swirling by killing a roots growth and causing the root to branch out instead creating lots of root ends to uptake water and nutrients.
@happytrees, I hear ya on not having the fabric pots. Your harvest looked very successful, I rid myself of those old axioms all the time. I'll keep an eye out for that next grow with the fabric pots, see how you like or dislike using them.
@TheMachinist, Hey, thanks for the info. I always just grew on the old prospect of "bigger roots = bigger harvests" and it's something I always heard in passing from old timers, so I went with it.
I do have a massive root ball wrapping all throughout the inner parts as well. You're not wrong about what you said, but there's also a good reason for the root mass being so dense like that on the sides and bottom.
Because I didn't have a fabric pot to use at the time, I went with the bigger sized 15L auto pot and put a 2 inch layer of hydroton, air dome and air ring connected to an air pump. I didn't turn the air pump on until I rooted the entire pot. When the air went on, the roots grew out towards that source of air and focused growth all around the moist/aerated hydroton. This dense root growth is something I have little control over. In that situation, my best case scenario was to supplement air to avoid suffocating the roots. I also had to provide necessary enzymes to take care of dead roots and organic matter. I didn't notice any cons, as my ph levels and ppm levels were consistently in line, being monitored every day. Feeding less when I need to, feeding more, etc. You do raise up a lot of good points and if it's something that isn't monitored, it could be a major issue. I appreciate you looking out and bringing it to my attention. Root rot was something I experienced in the past and thanks to that experience, I try to do whatever I can to avoid it. Being limited to an enclosed, tight grow space is a bit of a drawback when things aren't in tune.
To improve on this, my next grow will be in a fabric pot placed on a plant caddy elevated from any runoff, with a drip tray underneath. No need to supplement air this time.
Hi I’m growing a green gelato from RQS and I’m having big problems, it’s got bright green leaves pointing down, dry and has stopped growing. I have given her a biosys tea with plain ph water, can anyone help
@Frosty_Peaks, need to know your grow conditions such as type of medium, what nutes you're using, ppm of your solution, ppm of your runoff, day/night temps and the age of the plant.
@Nickeluring, Thanks man. I'm very happy with how the root system turned out. I tried a few different things and found them to be successful. Learned a lot from this grow. 🙏🙌
@Nookandplant42o, Thank you! My co2 levels are ambient and high in the colder months. Taking advantage of it before window opening season. 😅
CO2 is a great supplement in the right conditions. The microbiome is most important! Happy roots = big happy shoots!
@Nickeluring, hey man, happy new year! Thanks for keeping up.
I'll be chopping into week 18, which is in a few days. Just fading her leaves out a bit more.
She smells incredible. Really strong and pungent.
Almost pastry like sweetness at first, with citrus, pine and skunk tones bursting out after pinching a test spot.
Really sticky between the fingers, like super glue.
My last gelato seed sprouted today. I'll start her journal tomorrow.
Now I'm shopping around for a faster flowering, indica dom with decent yields.
@Nickeluring, Thanks! I'm excited for what comes next. She stretched a lot! Way more than I expected.
Luckily, stretching stopped around 5th week of flower. Any more and I would have been screwed.
My tent is a little over 5' tall.
For 4 weeks of veg, this is a pretty large plant, even after all that training I put her through.
Next time I grow this strain or a similar hybrid, I was thinking of using a smaller pot..
With my usual indicas, I'm at half that height with lots of headroom between the lights.
That sativa surprise is something else.. haha 😅
I also feel like this strain/pheno is going to have an extended budding period than what I'm used to.
Probably another 3 weeks or so until harvest, so maybe 15 weeks total from seed.
Hopefully yours doesn't stretch as much as my pheno!
@Ashbash, Hey, thanks. She's really compact and bushy right now.
Can't wait to see her stretch out for the scrog. Thinking I'll swap 12/12 around week 5.
Great diary :) Thanks for the FIMing pics, I will apply the same technique to my grow when she's ready.
Looking forward to follow your plant / diary :)
@moshcann, hey thanks for dropping by. I'll try to get some better progress pics of the tops. FIM'ing is a great practice and totally forgiving in your setup. Good luck on your tops!
Wow, gonna review a couple more of your grows, i feel like i could really pick up alot. Thanks! Im still on my first grow so i only hope i can keep mine fed and happy like yours! The colas look amazing!