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Custom Light Emitting Diodes/150W
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Custom Light Emitting Diodes/150W
Custom
Custom
Custom
Soil
Custom
Indoor
Room Type
LST
weeks 3-7, 7
Defoliation
weeks 7
8 L
Pot Size
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Week 1. Vegetation
5 years ago
10.16 cm
24 hrs
23 °C
6.5
No Smell
65 %
23 °C
23 °C
23 °C
8 L
0 L
43.18 cm
Nutrients 1
Dechlorinated tap water 1000 mll
My first grow and I made some beginner mistakes. My tent is only 16"x16"x48" and I wanted to located the filter inside, but its too small to mount it horizontally; therefore, I mounted it vertically which wasn't ideal for temperature control and just took up grow room space. Next grow I will be moving it outside and reversing the filter. Other big ones were mainly lighting, and not recognizing nutrient deficiencies until late in the grow, while mistakenly thinking (based on the advertised 7 week timeline) that I was too far into flower to correct it, since nutrients needed to be ordered, when really the plant was many weeks away from harvest though learning that was part of the experience. There were many lessons in this grow. This first week was mostly just watering and maintaining the plant and grow environment. Next grow, instead of 65% RRH I'll be going for 60% instead, and watering more carefully, but otherwise this week seems fine.
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Week 2. Vegetation
5 years ago
10.16 cm
24 hrs
23 °C
6.5
No Smell
65 %
23 °C
23 °C
23 °C
8 L
0 L
43.18 cm
Nutrients 1
Declorinated tap water 1000 mll
In hindsight, I should have kept the humidity closer to 55-60% this week but that's a lesson for the next grow; and I started LST a bit too soon (or tried to), which is another lesson, although neither error, in hindsight, is that significant and just part of the learning experience.
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Week 3. Vegetation
5 years ago
15.24 cm
24 hrs
24 °C
6.5
No Smell
65 %
24 °C
24 °C
24 °C
8 L
0 L
35.56 cm
Nutrients 1
Declorinated tap water 1000 mll
I began this week viewing LST as a "necessary evil" though after a few sessions it became my second favorite part of growing.
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Week 4. Vegetation
5 years ago
17.78 cm
24 hrs
25 °C
6.5
No Smell
50 %
25 °C
25 °C
25 °C
8 L
1 L
33.02 cm
Nutrients 1
Golden Tree - Humboldts Secret
Golden Tree 0.264 mll
Various items I ordered for the grow arrived at the beginning of this week, including a second hydrometer, and it was only through that, that I realized the humidity in the tent was as high as it had been the weeks before. Prior to that, I'd thought my other hydrometer faulty and had been dismissing it as reading about 10 points too high since it disagreed with the hydrometer on by dehumidifier by as much as 10%. Once I realized how high the humidity really was, the first day of this week, I dialed it back from the 65% it was the weeks before to the 50% zone that was the target for week 4. Too keep initial setup costs down, I postponed buying nutes but did throw in a bottle of Golden Tree, which was billed as both an 0-0-2 additive and "plant food" and I didn't know enough about cannabis plants at this point to realize that an 0-0-2 cannabis additive would only be just that, and not "food" that could sustain it throughout the grow. But the additive is billed as "steroids for plants" and it seemed that way since it was my plant's first taste of nutrients and it responded well. It responded so well that, with this strain being billed as 7 weeks and my also not realizing that wasn't going to happen through the same inexperience as it just didn't click then that there was no way this plant would go through the entire flower stage on that timeline, but such is the way things are learned sometimes. I didn't expect the Golden Tree to do the impossible and reverse damage I'd already done, so I wasn't disappointed when it didn't but it did seem to help spur vegetative growth as promised. I don't regret buying it since it delivered as much or more than could be expected of what is basically a 0-0-2 kelp based potassium additive. There are many of them out there that do the same thing, and since some do it for cheaper, I'll use up the small 2 ounce bottle it comes in then switch to something more reasonably priced that comes in bigger bottles.
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Week 5. Flowering
5 years ago
22.86 cm
24 hrs
25 °C
6.5
No Smell
45 %
25 °C
25 °C
25 °C
8 L
1 L
30.48 cm
Nutrients 1
Golden Tree - Humboldts Secret
Golden Tree 1.321 mll
Some experimentation gone wrong with the LED, compounded maybe by temps being about a degree higher than where I think the sweet spot is in early veg for this plant: lowered it, briefly, to 9" before moving it up to 12" when observing some LED bleaching and heat stress. Plant is not quite ready for the amount of light this little LED puts out at 9". Living up to its dwarf strain, its been easy to keep low with just LST and its still only about 9" high at the end of week 5, though it is nowhere even close to being near harvest at the 7 week mark that CKS claims. In the journals I've since looked at, 12-14 weeks has been about the average for this strain with some a little earlier and a few outliers being later. There was so much new to me with this, my first time growing anything, that I didn't research other journals until it was so late it no longer mattered for this grow and - thanks to inexperience - thought this would somehow fast flower and be ready by 7 or 8 weeks (which seems silly now). Though that's the only real complaint I can make, and if you grow this strain with a more realistic 12 week timeline in mind (as I will be next time), I think it has a lot going for it and no real drawbacks (as I write this, I'm 3 days into flush so this is almost a post-mortem). A big lesson I was to learn was how important nutrients are to cannabis plants and that any skimping here, without using a super soil, will be punished by nutrient deficiencies that absolutely impact harvest. Going forward, I will be using more nutes both in veg and flower. Since I thought I was closer to harvest than I really was, and having not done enough homework until it really didn't make much difference for this grow..
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Week 6. Flowering
5 years ago
25.4 cm
24 hrs
26 °C
6.5
No Smell
45 %
26 °C
26 °C
26 °C
8 L
1 L
30.48 cm
Nutrients 1
Golden Tree - Humboldts Secret
Golden Tree 1.321 mll
LST and genetics kept the plant low and reasonably flat (not bad for my first grow I think), though I seriously underestimated how much time was left and thought I might be near flush: a jeweler's microscope was a recent addition and showed some clear, headless trichomes, and going by CKS's 7 week time frame, assumed (from inexperience) that I was nearing flush. In fact, I was nearing several nutrient deficiencies that potting soil with 0-0-2 kelp based extract couldn't handle, though I missed the symptoms until they became unmissable (and by then the plant really was ready to flush).
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Week 7. Flowering
5 years ago
25.4 cm
24 hrs
27 °C
6.5
No Smell
40 %
27 °C
26 °C
25 °C
8 L
1 L
30.48 cm
Nutrients 1
Golden Tree - Humboldts Secret
Golden Tree 1.321 mll
Despite breaking a cardinal rule by defoliating on the first grow, LST + defoliation has created a very nice flat canopy with many good bud sites. Though I made 3 mistakes, of varying degrees of severity: #1 Not paying close enough attention to the heat and thinking this strain was okay with temps of 27C that sometimes strayed up to 28C, which I don't think it is (I think it mostly prefers 22-25C, if it can get it), though I think in itself that isn't too big since 27 isn't too bad. #2 Not giving it enough light. I mistook the plant's not 'reaching' for the light as it receiving plenty of light, when really its too high for this stage of the plant's life and therefore slowing growth and photosynthesis (and therefore adding time to the grow). This contributed to a long time in flower, though even with the light perfectly placed the 7 week time frame for this strain is unrealistic. #3 Not providing it with any nutes, beyond what's in "premium" potting soil with Humbolt's Gold 0-0-2 potassium booster added in. Which isn't enough, though potassium was the one major nutrient the plant didn't later become deficient in (and the higher temps wouldn't have helped, though they didn't cause it either). A lot of lessons from this grow. It still promises to give up a yield worth the time invested, though the biggest lesson from it was on how important cannabis nutes are (and how suddenly a deficiency can show up).
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Week 8. Flowering
5 years ago
27.94 cm
24 hrs
24 °C
6.5
No Smell
40 %
24 °C
24 °C
23 °C
8 L
1 L
30.48 cm
Nutrients 1
Golden Tree - Humboldts Secret
Golden Tree 1.321 mll
There was very little to do this week except water the plant and feed it the one additive I've given it since veg. The LED is still higher than it needed to be, looking back, though hindsight is 20/20.
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Week 9. Flowering
5 years ago
35.56 cm
24 hrs
24 °C
6.5
Weak
40 %
24 °C
24 °C
23 °C
8 L
1 L
22.86 cm
Nutrients 1
Golden Tree - Humboldts Secret
Golden Tree 1.321 mll
Several nutrient deficiencies are visible and the plant began shedding leaves early. Its still several weeks from harvest, though I thought I was close to flush so I postponed ordering nutes for it.
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Week 10. Flowering
5 years ago
40.64 cm
24 hrs
24 °C
6.5
Normal
40 %
24 °C
23 °C
23 °C
8 L
1 L
17.78 cm
Nutrients 1
Golden Tree - Humboldts Secret
Golden Tree 1.321 mll
Getting close to the finish line now. Harvest ETA is Day 90.
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Week 11. Flowering
5 years ago
40.64 cm
24 hrs
24 °C
6.5
Normal
35 %
24 °C
23 °C
23 °C
8 L
1 L
17.78 cm
Nutrients 1
Golden Tree - Humboldts Secret
Golden Tree 1.321 mll
There is very little to do except water it now and since the plant is trained and the leaves quite "wooden," I've let off most of the LST as its no longer needed to keep the plant low. The main stalk is bent completely over and has stayed flat, so the plant has stayed very short as its needed to since my tent is very small. This week I got caught up researching the plant nutrition that I had set aside at the beginning of the grow and diagnosed multiple nutrient deficiencies: nitrogen, calcium, magnesium and Iron are the major ones. Hindsight being 20/20, it doesn't surprise me now that a plant grown in "premium potting soil" with only a 0-0-2 weekly nutrient additive would at some point become so nutrient deficient. The plant's leaves look like its ready to harvest, but the buds are still barely formed and trichomes are still clear. Its too late for the nutrients I ordered to make a difference this grow, since I'll be close to flush when they arrive, so they are for next grow: Fearless Gardener Brand Cal Mag, which seems to be a staple and it has iron it as well, and Bud Juice Bloom (0-0-15) which looks similar to Humbolt's in that both are kelp based potassium additives, but Bud Juice has even more potassium and seems the better value - though I won't know until I test it. Those are just the initial additives; I'd look at complete formulas but Amazon's prices really yo-yo and this week none of the complete formulas I looked at were priced where they usually are, or were temporarily out of stock. Cal Mag is from a company that looks new but is Canadian and I'm willing to give them a shot as their stuff is cheaper this week than the better known alternatives (which Amazon has either priced higher or are temporarily out of stock), and Bud Juice's price hasn't moved since I began looking at additives (though I ordered it from Walmart instead where the price was slightly better and this is one of the few nutes they carry). By the time I need them for the next grow, I will have a more complete nutrient setup with Bud Juice Bloom acting as a bloom booster and the rest, aside from the Cal Mag, to be decided later. I've been looking through a lot of journals by others who've grown this strain and had good results to see what they are feeding it and when, at least to see the feed ratios since there are so many different options.
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Week 12. Flowering
5 years ago
40.64 cm
18 hrs
24 °C
6.5
Strong
35 %
24 °C
23 °C
21 °C
8 L
1 L
15.24 cm
Nutrients 1
Fearless Gardener Brand Rock Hard 0.651 mll
My Cal Mag arrived as did 2 sample sized bonus nutrients from the same company, I guess since the manufacturer fulfilled the order and they're new: "Rocket Fuel" (3.19-1.2-1.4) which is an originally formulated complete 5 part N-P-K-Ca-Mg formula that can be used by itself as the main nutrient, in strengths from 10-20 ml/week, or as an additive to an existing nutrient formula with it then used in smaller amounts: 1-5 ml/week except for the last week before flush (according to their feed guide). This week the plant is in the harvest window with trichomes at 40-50% cloudy. Day 82 was the day it was due to be fed, and its close enough to harvest that I decided to skip the other nutes and just give it Rock Hard (0-0-62), which is a pot ash based high potassium supplement that came in a 50 mg bag and which should go pretty far since its only used during the last 3 weeks and in small amounts: 0.1 g/L 3 weeks before harvest, then 0.2 g/L, and 0.5 g/L the week before. I fed it just the 0.5 g/L (less than half a teaspoon for 2 gallons of soil) of Rock Hard since this is a prime opportunity to sample this stuff and see if it produces a difference I can actually notice (which Golden Tree did do, though I would buy a cheaper kelp alternative before buying it again, though I'll still use it next grow as an additive). My reasoning behind skipping the Cal Mag is that, after feeding on day 83, I started the flush count and any loss of leaves or discoloration now is just part of entering the flush cycle before harvest, while the Golden Tree is redundant this week with Rock Hard so together they're possibly too much of a good thing, while the manufacturer's feed guide for Rocket Fuel excludes it the week before flush. And Rock Hard left a difference that, 2 days after feeding, is noticeable even in the photos: the buds are bigger and denser. What can't be seen is that the day after using it, when I opened the tent the smell was much more potent than it had been so it maybe played a role in creating more terpene production. Though in any case, it was the kind of bonus that raised my expectations on the rest of their products and I'll be using at least the 3 I now have in my next grow, as well as Bud Juice Bloom and Humbolt's Golden Tree - though I haven't fully worked out the feed schedule yet and I'm still researching that to see if I can build a decent, and complete, nutrient program with the 60 ml of Rocket Fuel sample, the Rock Hard, Golden Tree, Bud Juice Bloom, and Cal Mag. I also moved the light down to 6" and the plant handles the light fine, though Spring is here and warmer indoor day temps plus the LED being close to the plant, can push temps near the leaves up to 27C during the day, which is warmer than the plant seems to like in flowering (leaves cup at about 26-27C this far in flower) so I switched to 18/6 for the final weeks of the grow and started the flush count from the Rock Hard feeding on day 83; so if 1 week of flush is long enough for the trichomes to mature the rest of the way to where I want them to (from 50% to 70-90%), then it'll be ready to chop on Day 90 (May 2nd). An upshot of switching to 18/6 is that the dark period, in introducing a 'rest phase,' may have helped with the nutrient deficiencies as the premature yellowing and leaf shedding has slowed. None of the yellowing has affected the buds or their flowers, so once its trimmed after harvest there'll be no sign there was ever a deficiency beyond the yield being lower than that what it would have been otherwise; though as this looks like it will yield more than its used in soil and nute costs (electricity costs are negligible since the LED only pulls 63 watts from the wall). I don't think I'll get an ounce out of it, which will remain a goal for my next grow, though half an ounce looks possible and I'd be content with that from my first grow and the many things learned from it that will go toward future grows.
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Spyder7
Spyder7started grow question 5 years ago
Any tips on a nutrient feed schedule using these nutes: Rocket Fuel (3.19-1.2-1.4) Cal Mag (2-0-0) Bud Juice (0-0-15) Golden Tree (0-0-2) Rock Hard (0-0-62). Any suggestions on feed schedule or additions?
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CRiSPrGrowanswered grow question 5 years ago
hey there, with such a schedule you'll be over doing it : you want NPK (veg/flower) + cal mag + additives . keep it simple like that and you'll get explossive results. NPK is once every three waterings, cal mad every other watering, and additives like enzymes or another chelation agent every watering. in soil. for coco, same thing but NPK and cal mag every watering. Hope this helps ! 🚀
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Week 13. Flowering
5 years ago
43.18 cm
18 hrs
25 °C
6.5
Strong
30 %
25 °C
23 °C
22 °C
2 L
1 L
15.24 cm
Nutrients 1
Declorinated tap water 1000 mll
The trichomes on day 90 reached the 70-90% cloudy, with some amber, that I was aiming for so at lights out I decided to extend that for 36 hours as that will also be 48 hours since the last watering, giving it time to drink the soil pretty close to dry while the extra darkness at the end is supposed to help boost terpene content. I've been steadily lowering the humidity (a little to quickly where I thought it would be ready much sooner) and its produced buds that look dense and are very frosty, so what it lacks in bulk it may make up to a degree in quality. I'm harvesting early tomorrow morning, then doing a standard 4-7 day dry and then looking to cure for about 30 days before smoking (except for a sample hit once its dried), so when I update in another week, I should have pics of dry, jarred and curing bud; I don't have a scale to measure the exact dry weight, but I can estimate to within a few grams. Total flush time will be 9 days since it was last fed anything other than plain de-chlorinated tap water. Its been an enjoyable grow and I'm already prepping for the next. All of the nutes I'll be using are bought/ordered and I have a couple freebies to try (one I got to try in the last week before flush). Even with Amazon's slow shipping, since I won't be providing anything for at least the first week and will still need my tent for drying before germinating the seed for my next grow, I should have the last three nutrient additions that are still in the mail, before I need them. The exact nutrient schedule is a work in progress still, but the nutes are: Marphyl Marine Phytoplankton which is a BC produced soil conditioner/enhancer/fertilizer. It was only $13 Cdn for half a liter, which is deceptively cheap because, since it comes in a half liter bottle, but it isn't concentrated and the recommended dosing, at 50 ml/L per week, every week, could get expensive if used as per instructions. But I think half is plenty for most of the weeks it would be used in, which will mostly be veg and in early flower (at low dose) and I don't think its needed past week 5 if you're using other nutes since at about 4-0-1 (when given at full strength), it seems a bit high in nitrogen to use past week 5. Bud Juice Grow (2-15-0) and Bloom (0-0-15) are two other Canadian produced nutes I bought, for different weeks in veg: Grow is used in week 4 and Bloom in week 6. All three of these are organics and are the "backbone" of my nutes program for next grow, with some supplements. Fearless Gardener Brand Cal Mag, though it arrived too late to use imo, will be useful at half strength in some weeks of flower where Marphyl isn't used (Marphyl is already high in both plus has iron and some nitrogen just like Cal Mag, so both aren't needed in the same week). Fearless Gardener Brand Rocket Fuel was the other 60 ml bonus I got with Cal Mag, besides Rock Hard. Rocket Fuel is a "complete 5 part nutrient" that can be used as a base nute or as supplement. I I'll be trying it at supplement strength for some extra everything (its 3-1-1) in all weeks except the week before flush. m Fearless Gardener Brand Rock Hard arrived the day before the plant was due to be fed for the last time, as a free bonus with Cal Mag, and its used in the last three weeks. I used it at full recommended strength by itself during the last feeding and it produced noticeable results: the buds began to visibly bulk up a lot within 24 hours of feeding just this stuff. I got 50 g as a bonus, and it uses so little that'll go pretty pretty far. The final one, which I'll be using most weeks, was the one nute I used most weeks for this grow: Humbolt's Secret Golden Tree. Edit: It should be noted that these will not be used every week, and in fact some will only be used one time during the entire grow. And even though there's a few that could be used every week, individually or in the right schedule, there's none that will be used every week; the closest thing to an "every week" nute is Rocket Fuel, which has the ratio as a base nute for any week though this soil doesn't need anything the first week and in their own grow schedule, the maker excludes it from the week before flush. The phytoplankton stuff is high enough in nitrogen to serve as a base nute for veg, though it doesn't have much else except it does have (and in close to the same amounts) the calcium, magnesium, and iron as Cal Mag has, so I won't be using these in the same week or even too close together. And with this stuff being so high in nitrogen, I'm going to skip it for flower since I can get enough nitrogen from other nutes for bloom and it might be a bit too high. Budjuice Grow and Bloom are each only added once (one in week 4 and the other in week 6). Rockhard is used only in the last 3 weeks, and most of the dose is given in the final week before flush. Cal Mag I probably won't need too much of, so I'm not going to be using it often or at all in veg where it won't be needed because of the phytoplankton additive. Humbolt's I had pretty good results with, for what it is, and I will again be using it in most weeks (though not in veg as the phytoplankton makes it unnecessary there as well). That's a rough outline as to how the feed program is looking, though it may make more sense when I have it refined enough to show it next week.
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Week 13. Harvest
5 years ago
Happy Harvest Day!
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Harvested about 30 grams (estimated since I don't have a scale) on day 92 from my first grow, done in a tent smaller than a broom closet, and from a 150W LED (63 watts from the wall) with just 2 gallons of Pro-mix Premium Soil, Humbolt's Secret Golden Tree (from day 22 to a week before flush) and one dosing of 0.5 g/L of Fearless Gardener Brand Rock Hard. This was about the upper end of what I expected, so I'm pretty happy with it. I trimmed the buds a bit rough, though I'm okay with that as it is very frosty bud, and very resinous. The smoke is still pretty smooth, despite the rough trim and that its had no time to properly cure yet. The high is pleasant: I harvested a bit late, just when some trichomes were turning amber, to enhance its indica genetics. It creates a nice night time high, which curing can only enhance. The only reason I took a star off is because I think Crop King is pushing the marketing a bit with the selling of this as a 7 week strain when you'll be very hard pressed to find journals of this finishing in even 10 weeks, let alone 7. Some of the extra time is definitely down to mistakes I made, though I really doubt I could grow this, even with a lot more experience, in under even 10 weeks. But this strain has so many good things going for it, and my experience with Crop King (timeline advertising aside) has only been positive: I'll be going back to these guys again. I already have my second grow germinated and planted, so barring a failure to launch, it should pop up within the next few days. I have all of the nutrients I plan to add for that grow, based on what I learned from growing a very minimalist nute approach the first time, and this next grow is in the same tent and under the same 150W LED. I made some minor changes outside of that, though I'll save those for that journal. I had no problems with any bugs or fungus, though I did hit a lot of nute deficiencies which I learned from for next grow. I found this strain a pleasure to grow, and with LST it can be grown very small. The high it produces is excellent for night time bud,
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Spent 92 days
Ger Veg Flo Har
30 g
Bud dry weight per plant
1
Plants
0.4
Grow Room size
Easy
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Positive effects
Happy, Relaxed, Sleepy
Positive effects
Negative effects
Dry eyes
Negative effects
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Citrus, Earthy, Herbs
Taste
Sleepy
Energy
Indica
Hybrid
Sativa

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Day air temperature
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Night air temperature
Substrate temperature
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I ran into a few small problems of my own creation (light not at the optimal height, too little nutes) during this grow, but I was happy with the yield in spite of them and I look forward to the seed I have in the soil now, sprouting soon I hope. A few tweaks I made to the second grow after this one: - I pulled the air filter and moved it to the outside of the tent, with the airflow reversed and pre-filter removed, and this is much better than the only way alternative: mounting it vertically inside, as I tried last grow. - I choose a 2 gallon pot based on sizing recommendations of 1 gallon per month of grow time, thinking Earlyy Miss a 7 week strain as advertised by CKS. Next grow, I went with a 3 gallon instead as 12 weeks is a more realistic timeline. - I had no regrets with Pro-Mix (I have to order Fox Farms online, and its not worth the premium to me to buy it online in Canada) and the only real thing I thought could be improved was drainage, which adding an extra 15% of pure perlite and mixing it in with whatever's there already, solved. With the extra nutes I have now, I have high hopes for next grow.
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RussianGrower
RussianGrowercommentedweek 55 years ago
Greetings from Russia. Your plants look great! Keep developing like that! If you are interested in observing grass in Russia, subscribe to my diary
SmylinPupil
SmylinPupilcommentedweek 135 years ago
Awesome grow, I’m on round two of early miss as well! Good luck with the new girl! I’m wondering what deficiencies you ran in in your first grow? I thought mine was a cal mag deficiency then maybe nute lockout, I couldn’t fix it. It would be great to hear your problems and solutions! Thanks. Cheers.
Spyder7
Spyder7commented5 years ago
@SmylinPupil, nice plants. Did you ever resolve the height issue? I know there's a window after its too late to LST, but not too late to super crop. I've never had to super crop, but its one of the HST methods I would use if the need arose. A common deficiency in soil is Cal/Mag or Fe and you might see any even if using a bloom nute as a lot of the big nute companies like to sell a separate Cal Mag product, so it may still be useful to add it at half strength for a couple feedings. I plan to do it and have begun doing it already: the Marphyl kelp I added today has enough Cal Mag in it (organically) that some who are using it every week are not needing to add any Cal Mag. Cal Mag has an NPK of 2-0-0 so its safe to add, so long as you don't over do it. up to maybe week 10 when they get very fussy about nitrogen. And I had really good results with Humbolt's Golden Tree. I began adding it just after I hit pre-flower stretch (on day 23) and the growth was explosive. Cannabis love kelp and its in a lot of rooting type nutes as the ones with NPK values near zero are usually safe, and intended, to be added as early as week 1 even in soil. If your soil has humus, which it likely does, then that breaks down to humic acid which combines very well with kelp. In week 7, Golden Tree is a good way to add it (try half strength first) and is cheap; Marphyl may be an alternative, though it doesn't have as much potassium in it which this plant loves in veg. Its meant to work with or without bloom nutes. Though less is more so unless you stall, you may be fine (potassium hunger can cause stalling during flower).
SmylinPupil
SmylinPupilcommented5 years ago
@Spyder7, thanks for all the help. I am on week 9 of my second grow, and now into flowering. I started getting pre flowers about 2 weeks ago. The first early Miss was 3.5 months start to finish. Good luck!
Spyder7
Spyder7commented5 years ago
@SmylinPupil, are you on week 13 with the second grow, or just starting it? Also, what were you in growing in and what did you add? I noticed when I began researching this strain that you could divide the growers into two camps, perhaps from its newness and it being aimed at new growers. One group were inexperienced growers who started with it, seemed to go wrong by around week 5 (sometimes far earlier), and invariably treated it with nutrients. One included a grower who stunted it somehow, was using the main 3 parts from Advanced Nutrients, and didn't comment on why he only got about 3 grams from it. I noticed among AN growers who were inexperienced, the ph they were giving was too high and I suspect some weren't ph'ing their water or testing it but just giving it AN nutes and expecting it would handle ph for them (and some might have been using awful water). Another group included AN users as well as other brands, but they were more on top of the grow and mostly had some experience. Some of them pulled off amazing yields. They ph'd their water, didn't burn their plants up with nutes from over-feeding, and had humidity, temp and light dialed in. As time went on, and I got a hydrometer I trusted, and stopped messing with the light so much, I got the environment dialed in pretty well and Pro-mix was pretty high in veg nutes, and could put out enough phosphorous to feed the plant while it got enough potassium from the 0-0-2 additive I used that when I hit it with concentrated potash the week before flush, bud production went into overdrive. Though it did develop various deficiencies because the soil with a 0-0-2 additive, couldn't provide everything it needed. I hit a nitrogen deficiency during early flower. Its hard to see in the photos because I didn't recognize it for what it was in week 6, when I think it started. An N deficiency starts with yellow leaves on the oldest growth as the plant leaches chlorophyll for new growth higher up. I didn't know any of that, and mistook it for my light not penetrating my dense low canopy. I defoliated in week 6, thinking I was removing dead growth that light wasn't reaching, when it was an un-diagnosed nitrogen deficiency that defoliation made worse, while helping bring out others that hadn't shown up by week 6 but did soon after. Magnesium is one, but a deficiency there can take 4-6 weeks before it shows up and it showed up around week 9, along with calcium and iron deficiencies. My plant was so close to harvest, or I thought at all times at least, that I added nothing which at least didn't introduce new problems, beyond the single supplement I used weekly: Humbolt's Golden Tree. The week before flush my Cal Mag arrived though I opted not to use it at that point. Instead I substituted a potash freebie they sent me for Golden Tree, then flushed for 9 days. Things I'm doing differently based on lessons from that grow: I wanted to introduce a rooting type "nutrient" that had no nutrient value as I wanted to use it on day 7 for maximum benefit. Kelp worked well before and its often used in additives meant to be given early to provide it as potassium silicate, is silica hardens your plant from mildew etc and is also desirable as something to add early. I decided on Marphyl to do this though Armor Si and similar products do the same thing, though maybe a little differently. But Marphyl was cheap to try at $13 to be used on days 7 and 14. It also provides calcium and magnesium. I thought my plant would get enough through minerals in tap water, but that isn't the case and cal mag deficiencies are common even in soil. For added Phosphorous, I went with Budjuice Grow which is made for growing cannabis in soil (its a dry powder you add as dressing) which they recommend half strength for autos. Its added once when pre-flowering begins. For added potassium, they recommend providing two forms: one is the type you can get from kelp, and I'm using Budjuice Bloom in week 6 at half strength. Its another powder dressing for soil growers. The other type I used last grow I'll use in the final 3 weeks of flower before flush this grow: Fearless Gardner Brand Rock Hard I have cal mag for weeks where I'm already adding kelp but want to add more of that (half strength as needed), and that's the heart of my nute program. There are refinements in terms of I would add blackstrap molasses if I had it, for instance, though I don't plan to introduce those this grow. The big thing to keep in mind is less is more in soil: what you see recommended is often 2-4x what you need because its for hydroponics or photos. From experience, its easier to get through a deficiency then nute burn or lockout. I like to introduce nutes only one at a time, and starting in low doses. Good luck.
BipolarHellas
BipolarHellascommentedweek 135 years ago
Enjoy your buds...you made them,you deserve it...!!!!✌️💧☠️
Spyder7
Spyder7commented5 years ago
@BipolarHellas, that sums it up. The first time around there was really a lot to take in. A big advantage this time is that I'm using the same soil, tent, light, and the couple of nutes I tried (plus new ones later) last grow. So some of the mistakes I'm not likely to make again, and I made a bunch of small ones even early on. I kept a pretty detailed offline journal throughout, plus photos almost every day, so I can avoid making some of them again. Actually this grow I think I have the environment dialed in pretty well: I moved the filter to the outside, reversed the fan flow, and removed the pre-filter. I'm still getting good negative pressure and air flow, and the ducting is concealed while there's more space in the tent now and I'm taking advantage of that already by moving to a 3 gallon from a 2, which almost fills the tent (there's enough room left for a small humidifier I need in the tent for the first few days at least).
BipolarHellas
BipolarHellascommented5 years ago
@Spyder7,the first grows are so exciting!!!All this research,the agony,the mistakes,the impatience...I love it!!!
Spyder7
Spyder7commented5 years ago
@BipolarHellas, Thanks, I enjoyed them early. :) It was a good strain for a first grow: very forgiving of rookie mistakes, but yielded a smoke worth growing. Its also really, really easy to train low: I got it as low as 17" my first try and I'm going to try and train it even lower this time. I don't know if I'm going to mix in any HST or not as I didn't need it last grow. This was a "proof of concept" grow: around December I discovered space buckets, and this setup came from that research as this tent is close to a space bucket in size, very discreet (hides in a closet), and I think with training I could probably grow some other indica heavy strains in the same space later (like White Widow which I really like just as a smoke). Northern Lights and a new strain called "Lamb's Breath" are others I'm looking at too for a future grow. My second grow has had two good days so far and at the end of the week, I'm going to start the journal with the pics I have starting from when it broke soil. One discovery was that the lens curve of my Vivosun green light shades allow for pictures without the Mars landscape effect. They're surprisingly clear for pictures shot through a sun glass lens, and in the pictures it just looks like they are growing under a full spectrum light instead of a blurple (that does have some full spectrum). I have some Martian landscape type photos for comparison too. Its good to be growing again. My least favorite part is the period from mid flower (when you can no longer LST) until the stage of the next growth when you have a newly popped seed again (except for harvest). The other half of the cycle there isn't much to do - a lot of waiting. One enshrinement I might make late this grow is setting up another grow space just for germination and the first couple weeks of veg where even less space can be used, like a cabinet, with no need for a filter. That would basically shorten grow time by 2-3 weeks for the price of a small LED or a couple CFLs, plus a fan (one fan would probably be enough for a single seedling). This would avoid the downtime where I can't use my tent for anything except drying because the smell is too potent.
Leonard_Lunte
Leonard_Luntecommentedweek 135 years ago
thx for your answer on my grow question. The brown spots on the leaves were and old calcium deficiency, it seems to have stopped since i fed it with calmag. The yellowing started just now tho. Nontheless thx for your great advice. Nice grow you got here btw 💪🙏
Spyder7
Spyder7commented5 years ago
@Leonard_Lunte, thanks its my first grow and its been drying off a coat hanger in the tent for about 36 hours now. The buds look and smell amazing. When its dry I'll see how close I came to my goal for the grow, which is 1/2 gram per watt drawn from the wall (63 watts): roughly 32 grams, which I might have fell a little shy of though I got a good harvest for my first grow. I took a lot out of it for my second, which will be same strain, soil, tent, and light but I think I have the light and environment more dialed in from what I learned from this grow, and I have the nutes covered which I didn't for this grow. I'm just waiting for this one to finish drying, and once it is, I'm going to disinfect the tent with hydrogen peroxide for the next grow, but move the filter out and upgrade to a 3 gallon fabric pot I already have, along with soil, some extra perlite, seed, and the nutes. I'm just killing time now as its too strong, and distinctly cannabis 'grow' smelling, to dry outside with the tent without the carbon filter scrubbing the odor out. But I'm already looking forward to my next grow. This week feels a bit odd now that there's no plant to water or check on and its too soon to start germinating the seed. Hopefully it dries in 4-days so I can get the next grow started.
Mr_Weeds_Autos
Mr_Weeds_Autoscommentedweek 95 years ago
Nice 👍👍👍
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