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LED/150W
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LED/150W
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LST
weeks 3-6
Defoliation
weeks 4-5
HST
weeks 4-6
Topping
weeks 5
Soil
Grow medium
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Week 1
Vegetation
6.35
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Height
24 hrs
Light Schedule
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Nutrients
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Marphyl Marine Phtoplankton Soil Enhancer/Conditioner
20 ml/l
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Spyder7 Spyder7
4 years ago
This is my second grow and most of what I used in the first grow I'm using in this one as well: Bloomgrow 16"x16"x"48" (it is big enough for one plant with training) Growstar 150W COB LED (draws 63 true watts from the wall) IBionionics 4" Inline fan with speed control and matching carbon filter, bought together as a kit 3 Gallon Fabric pot (I moved up to 3 gallons, from 2, now that the fan and filer are external and not wasting tent space) Pro-mix Premium Potting Soil (which I also used last grow and had good results with - I'm okay with it not being organic) Pro-mix Perlite (a change from last grow was to add 15% extra Perlite which improved drainage) Probably the biggest change from last grow is that I have everything I need this grow, and I discovered on day 1 that I could use my Vivosun shades to take pictures through, which filters out the blue/red from the LED (though I take some of those too). This is something I'm a big fan of, and would have done last grow had I thought to try it. I'll be adding such pics with each weekly update. Whereas my first grow was a little "ad hoc" - owing to information overload - this one should be more scientific. This grow I have all of the nutrients I think I need (there's additions I could make in the future, and will in an eventual future grow). I opted not to go with Advanced Nutrients, General Hydroponics, or Fox Farms as my options for nutrients were limited to what I could find on Amazon Canada. and when I was ready to order nutes the prices were higher than I'm willing to pay. Except for Humbolt's Secret Golden Tree, which I used last grow with good results and will use again in certain weeks, all of the nutes I went with are made by Canadian companies here in Canada - it doesn't make any sense to me to buy American nutrients when we actually produce this stuff here in Canada through many companies. Since, last grow I found the soil delivers a lot on its own, at least in veg and early flower, but especially when paired with kelp, I'm going light on nutrients this grow: not so light that I create a deficiency (not intentionally or through neglect or from lack of experience from a prior grow), but light enough that I hopefully get minimal to no nute burn: that is a big goal. With the filter outside of the tent, I also have higher hopes for this grow and the only thing I plan to add to it that I don't have yet, is a scale so that I can get exact weights to measure any improvement from grow to grow as an estimate only sufficed for the first. I'm open to any training technique, though I got such good results from LST last time that I'll most likely stick with it again, unless there's a reason to do something else at some point. I don't plant to do any 'true' defoliation, just tucking when needed and clipping only as a last resort - and the bare minimum if/when I do. The first 7 days have been pretty uneventful, compared to my first grow. The first time, because I thought my hydrometer defective I didn't use one in the tent (the one in there now arrived around day 22 of the first grow, and since the first wasn't defective, I keep the cheaper one on an end table) and that contributed to some early environment mistakes. You can see the results of my early mistakes in my first grow journal, and much of this week has been spent comparing pics of the first grow to this one, and analyzing the more detailed journal I kept offline to try and identify and avoid those early mistakes. A big one was humidity: the first grow, I thought it lower than it really was for the first 3 weeks until the new hydrometer arrived; I'd thought it to be much lower than it really was, so each week the plant got more humidity than I thought it was receiving and you can see that on the leaf margins which begin to look increasingly mottled/wet/rubbery until about Day 23 when adding kelp and reducing humidity, just as the stretch hit, led to an explosion of healthy growth that wasn't subjected to the high humidity of the first 3 weeks. This grow, with the hydrometer in the tent before the plant even broke ground, the humidity was dialed in from day 0: I started at 70%, but after about 5 days - when the first true serrated leaves began to really come out (after lowering the light which I'd left too high a bit long), began to lower it toward 65% as the target for day 7, which is what is recorded above: plant height on day 7, humidity, etc. A small tweak I picked up was not to run my fan 24/7 as this does stress the plant if its never turned off. This grow, I waited 24 hours before turning it on. Then I ran it only for short spurts: ha;f an hour on, a couple off, no fan at night except the exhaust which runs 24/7. The goal is to increase the frequency and duration of the air and I rotate the pot, as its easier than the alternative (moving the fan). That was a contributor to the mottled appearance of the early leaves in that grow. Future leaves didn't get as much direct air because the canopy was so dense by then. So the idea is to progressively increase the amount of fan air while not running it 24/7. I don't mind the extra bit of intervention. I'm also making it a point to not fuss with the light as much and that is something that isn't captured by the online journal for that grow, though the photos do show some of the bleaching it got from the days where I tried too much light too soon. This grow, I went with a "germination" height and watched the plant to see how it would respond to it. I didn't mind a little stretch, as something the photo doesn't capture is how short the slightly stretched seedling is on day 5, in the photo taken before it began drooping and I brought the light down. Its actual height on day 5 was still under 2" - however stretched it looks. On day 5 I lowered the light from 20" to 17" where the PPFD output of the light is rated to be just higher than the minimum for seedlings. When it responded well to this after 36 hours (leaves in the "praying" position but no cupping, tip curl, or signs of stress or bleaching), I lowered it half an inch and it responded with more "praying." Which is what its doing on day 7, after being "fed" for the first time though the NPK value of what I used is 0-0-0 and its why I chose it for day 7: its nutrients for the soil plus essential vitamins, minerals, fatty acids, amino acids and other bio-stimulants plus kelp and humic acid work especially well together, and there is humic acid present in the soil already as a byproduct of the humus they add to it. Its good for the soil and the plant, though with the 0-0-0 NPK rating there's little risk of nute burn (really no risk in the dose I used). I followed the convention of introducing it at quarter strength, though since the plant isn't big enough for a full watering yet, it got half a feeding: I fed it 20% strength nutes in 750 ml de-chlorinated tap water (ph 6.5), which is 15 ml of Marphyl- one full measuring tablespoon -for this first feeding. When I feed it again, on day 14, it will get another dose of Marphyl but at 50% strength - I don't think using more of it that week will bring additional befits. After week 2, I may not use this again this grow since I'll be using kelp from other sources. I wanted to introduce it once I had a fully established seedling though, on day 7, so it can begin doing its thing on the soil now when its most beneficial for it. Overall a good first week: the plant is healthy and growing well with no environmental or nutrient damage. And I learned from my watering mistakes in the first grow to not repeat them, and there are no signs of over-watering or under-watering, so, so far, so good.
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Grow Questions
Spyder7
Spyder7started grow question 4 years ago
Any Bud Juice users? What week did you start feeding Bloom to your autos?
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BudXsanswered grow question 4 years ago
Yes, you need to be careful with this stuff, and use it accurately, learn from my mistakes. Use it when buds are fully formed but young and all white. This week # varies by strain so go by eye. Use it till about 15 days before harvest, no longer. Here is the VERY important part if you want to avoid yellow crispy curled up burnt looking leaves: use 1/4 to 1/2 of the recommwnded dosage ESPECIALLY if feeding along side other nutes. IT IS SO EASY to get a PK burn, as the plant will want to just OD on the stuff. Start slow, dose up slow, see any yellow, flush immediatedely. PK burn happens overnight and the leaves never bounce back. The juice itself is awesome, as is any bloom booster if used right. If done right, no can defeat - Miyagi
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DeadwebsiteBoringcommunity
DeadwebsiteBoringcommunityweek 1
Soo my friend just so you better understand just how awesome you are doing with that little light... When I tested Both models I have. 55 watts power draw each. Very light little lights that perform.. I love the thought your putting into the hang height as well seems like your really trying to find a nice bang on number.. Great work really.
DeadwebsiteBoringcommunity
DeadwebsiteBoringcommunity
@Spyder7, I removed all my comments just to show you how bad yours were.. Telling me about the grow light I told you I also bought.. like your writing paragraphs of useless info.... a 10W cob is still a cob.. but your gonna argue that as well.. like Look at yourself bro.. who are you trying to convince?
Spyder7
Spyder7
@DeadwebsiteBoringcommunity,you said ppfd = more yield "simple as that." All I did was point out that it actually isn't that simple and the "I'm just gonna grow more than you" is not a counter argument unless you are like 5. Whatever dude.
Spyder7
Spyder7
@DeadwebsiteBoringcommunity, in theory, "ppfd=yield" until you take into account other factors. One factor is the growing room. If you put my light into a black nylon tent without the reflective walls, so that you had zero reflectivity, you're not going to get the same yield I'll get in a grow tent with mylar even though the PPFD is the same. And I've read that the mylar in a modern tent is so good that it multiplies your PPFD by 25-33% depending on type and how much its reflecting (how close it is to the light). Other factors are humidity and heat. Both can impact yield all by themselves. So can grow techniques and nutrients. So you're being reductionist to the point that you're wrong - there are too many other variables that have nothing to do with pppf but will impact yield. There's truth to what you say to a point, but not to the degree you make it so I disagree. That's the problem with reductionist reasoning: it is too simplistic and it does't take into account variables that matter.
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MRwick1
MRwick1week 3
Hey Spyder how's the 2nd grow going now? See that you had a couple setbacks,hope all is well. Just a quick question, Fusion told me his early miss from crop kings took an extra 2 weeks veg than what the seed pack said along with the flower stage. I'm just now getting to flower at week 6 not 4, and it looks like from your first grow yours took an extra week or so. Is that CK being wrong with their weeks or is it our growing technique?
MRwick1
MRwick1
@Spyder7,thank you for the info. I'm happy with my light heights, I have 2 600w cob cree actual w is 115w at wall and the light meter has me at an optimal height. I just was curious if your grow took extra time. I don't mind waiting it'll be worth it. Again thank you
Spyder7
Spyder7
@MRwick1, all is going well; this grow is a few days into week 4 and I'm about to update my diary, though there's not much to add of note this week yet. I think CKS is simply off with the 7 week estimate they give. I made some mistakes that grow that definitely slowed it down, but that seed was a race horse compared to this one (partly because it didn't have a fungus infection like this one developed); this plant is a few days behind my other plant which sped through veg but stalled in flower. 7 weeks may be possible if you use 12/12 from seed with bloom nutes from first feed (skipping veg completely) and then harvest at the earliest possible time, and do it all under optimal circumstances: CO2 enrichment, commercial lighting, etc. For the rest of us who are not master growers, not using CO2, and not doing 12/12 from seed, then 10-12 weeks is more realistic if there's no setbacks. That's also the feeding schedule I'm using: Weeks 1-4 Veg nutes (my plant hasn't shown any pre-flowers yet on day 23 this grow); Weeks 4-10 Flower nutes Week 11-12 Flush After you've grown it start to finish, that timeline can be refined based on 'reading' the plant as its growing, but that's a more realistic timeline. In my first grow, I stalled it a couple times in flower by not giving it enough potassium and not lowering the light as low as I needed to, until very late in the grow (so for a couple weeks photosynthesis was slow and that was on me). If you're only seeing flowers in week 6 I'd check that you're giving it enough light - I know there were times where I erred on both sides that grow and again this grow. At any rate, you still have 6-8 weeks of flower ahead of you. If it goes another 8, you'll have company in the 14 week club as mine took that long so I wouldn't sweat it. It produces a really nice high, and if you can get the humidity down to 30% or under the final week, you'll also get some very frosty bud (some of the frostiest bud I've ever seen came from that first grow).
DeadwebsiteBoringcommunity
DeadwebsiteBoringcommunityweek 2
Like all the thought going into the grow. A little chart another grower linked/showed me. I found very helpful for VPD. http://www.just4growers.com/media/23631/vpd_2degree.gif
Spyder7
Spyder7
@DeadwebsiteBoringcommunity, that's an excellent graph. I added it to my '420 bookmarks' with my other reference stuff. It reminds me of an excellent illustration I found for diagnosing nute toxicity/deficiency: https://www.loudclouds.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/marijuana-deficiency-chart-jorge-cervantes.jpg
DeadwebsiteBoringcommunity
DeadwebsiteBoringcommunityweek 1
Awesome little light isn't she? I got 2 and I liked it so much I got the 2 light version. It' cute but you can always add another one and really maximize your yields..
Spyder7
Spyder7
@DeadwebsiteBoringcommunity, its a surprisingly powerful little light for its rating - that's something I didn't appreciate until I noticed lights pulling 50 watts but rated as 300W LEDs, and understood how they could claim that. I like how movable it is: hung on a pulley, you can outmaneuver it so that you can concentrate that big center LED on whatever part of the plant you want to. Doing that was an L:ST "cheat" that let me create a nice flat even canopy in a small tent with just LST (plus defoliation in week 6 because the plant was so dense with thick growth from this light's penetration).