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Neo_007 Neo_007
4 years ago
These are mostly images of the damaged leaves and trouble spots, as well as the best darn advice I could give after some serious googling and research, on display in hopes of receiving critique. Overall advice based on all of this: ( looking for improvements to this or critique ) - Any time you see cal/mag def up the level of Epsom Salts, but don't go over 1000 ppm when you do, dilute the res. - Get the RO hooked up ASAP and reset your reservoirs. - Separate the plants by soil type onto diff tables and reservoirs, so you can treat the soil with 6.0 and the soilless with 5.0 ph and can adapt the nutes correctly to the soil, even if that means prolonging veg for another 2 weeks to let the new spread-out canopies fill out the scrog nets. - Take the next 2 weeks to insulate the enclosing room so that you can ditch the nets because those lights are already 2' apart, so your plants, no matter how much scrogging you do, will absolutely reach the plants, and if you don't your back to hand watering everything and putting them on the floor. Insulate and sterilize the surrounding room, then ditch the tents and remount the lights. Would love advice, criticism, noticed lessons from my failings, and any form of suggestions on how this garden can be improved. Deeply grateful! Recent Changes: Stocked up on Rockwool to start swapping over Completed Ebb and Flow Setup and tried it with the 3 gal smart pots, clearly not going to get the tops wet without hand watering or drip: lesson learned... it did help me see that this is soil dependant, noticed when in rogue soils "rocket fuel" the peat like substance wicks the water up from an ebb / flow run within minutes and saturates the whole of the pot. When in soil x vermiculite x peat - it fails to wick and leaves the top half bone dry. Got the RO, need to connect it tomorrow/ the next day Added epsom salts today for the first time at 1 tsp/gal. Brought ppm to 1350 or so, thinking its too high Co2 Controllers on the fritz, resorting to a cycle timer, 3m on, 55m off, its got me close Some serious issues when plants are inside, zero issues when outside, so tempted to draw a connection to the lights. Checked, these lights have a rep for causing the plants to hyper demand cal-mag, hoping using epsom salts will fix those issues. Lockout of nutes starting with burnt leave tips... not sure if thats an ok level to tolerate.
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Grow Questions
Neo_007
Neo_007started grow question 4 years ago
When leaf tips burn just a bit, is that a "sweet spot" meaning I am pushing the plants to the max, or is that already worth treating as full on lock out and needing a formal flush and straight ph'ed water till it resolves?
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Leaves. Tips - Burnt
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GMSgrows
GMSgrowsanswered grow question 4 years ago
Yo friend where you get your info? Ph for hydro veg cycle is 5.8 ph max ec should be around 1.8 ec and if you use the proper nutes you dont need to add any cal/mg. When in flower ph goes to 6.2 to 6.3 ph and your max ec is about the same as when in veg. 1.8 to 1.9 max. Hitting up in the 1000 ppm mark you'll need as good an environment indoors as you get outdoors. With hydroponics when done properly will deliver bigger buds than what I grow on a regular basis. Cheers
Neo_007
Neo_007started grow question 4 years ago
If my plants are surviving low light and nightly freezes with a simple hoop cover, is it worth putting lights over them and building a 2 layer greenhouse for insulation? Looks like they have a week left, maybe 2, but I do have the materials on hand. worth it?
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Setup. Outdoor
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DoDrugs420
DoDrugs420answered grow question 4 years ago
If there is a lockdown there, then you can spend some time doing it, i don't see much of a need for it tho, unless you add some heaters too and using during winter with some suplemental light, wouldn't need much more light since you could also use a portion of solar even in winter.
Neo_007
Neo_007started grow question 4 years ago
Has anyone tried continuous drip with hyper oxygenated water in quality soil on recirculation? Would you ever try that? Would the oxygenated water compensate for the problem of overwatering as in DWC, but in soil? Why would you or would you not try this?
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Feeding. Automatic systems
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Stonerd
Stonerdanswered grow question 4 years ago
Continuous drip with recirculation would do great if you can cover these parameters: grow medium aeration, drainage, and filtration (if reusing the irrigation water). As I mentioned in my other answer to you as long as good drainage and aeration is implemented, then overwatering and root rot can be avoided completely (I explained everything there). oxidized irrigation solution might increase root growth and overall plant vigor but wont replace media aeration and drainage completely, it's like suffocating your plant and inviting *HARMFUL* fungi to your root zone and plant.
Neo_007
Neo_007started grow question 4 years ago
Context: Was on an ebb & flow in a 3 gallon smart pot in soil every 3 hrs with oxygenated water. Overwatering symptoms identified by a friend, so shut off all water for the last 3 days. Temps: 75, RH 65, soil: rogue peat based light quick draining mix.
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Leaves. Curl down
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Stonerd
Stonerdanswered grow question 4 years ago
First I would like to address the pesticide and fungicide, for organic pesticide (especially against aphids) I would base it on tomato leaf extract water since it has naturally strong resistance to pests (if you grow tomatoes in your garden you'd notice they're the only ones not getting eaten). For a good organic fungicide a combination of neem oil, dish soap, and baking soda would do great (plenty of recipes online that you can base it from). Now for the overwatering, Overwatering can be avoided completely by applying good drainage (from both substrate and pot) and your choice of a fabric pot (not sure if that's what you're using but seems like it from the few photos you have) is very good but the media mix you chose has poor drainage. The vermiculite is what holds nutrients, holds moisture, provides aeration and drainage especially when growing with soilless media (coco-coir), in your mix the vermiculite should have been at least 33% (1/3) of the media but what's done is done, for now I would suggest just spacing out your irrigation more and as indication water when the top 5cm of the media is completely dry just to give your roots the oxygen and room they need to grow (this also prevents root rot in the future). Lastly the nutrients, unfortunately I don't know much about organic fertilizing but I am able to recognize late stage potassium (K) deficiency on the second photo (green veins, yellow foliage, and chlorosis at the tips) which is probably caused by the low pH in your irrigation solution, since you are growing in soilless media I would suggest trying to raise the pH to around 5.5-6 with a slow increase with 6.5 as the limit. the first picture with the dark green foliage, light yellowing, and tip chlorosis is probably the same problem in an earlier stage plus a little Nitrogen (N) toxicity (from the three macro-nutrients nitrogen deals best with acidity) so you might want to consider lowering the nitrogen fertilization by half and slowly working your way back up. To conclude this long ass answer (which I hope helps) this is my subjective opinion to what your grow is experiencing and it is based on my experience. Overall your grow looks good and would probably do amazing if you manage to mend whatever your plants are going through, remember cannabis is a very resilient plant that can withstand a lot of stress!! **And my personal advice is always go easy with nutrients, deficiencies are easier to spot since they appear faster and cause less stress to the plant than toxicities!! Hope your grow goes well and the harvest bountiful :)
Neo_007
Neo_007started grow question 4 years ago
Was water logged, transplanted into 95% dry soil to correct, soil with nutes in it. I see: Heat stress. LED light 2.2 ' away, raised the light. ( curling up ) Late stage P deficiency... green veins. Can't flush, was just waterlogged, what to do? Water a bit with RO?
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Leaves. Curl up
Leaves. Veins - stay green
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Stonerd
Stonerdanswered grow question 4 years ago
The curling foliage is probably due to radiation burns! from looking at your diary it seems like you're on a 24hr light schedule which may be tempting to use thinking it will increase yields it may actually cause what your plants are suffering from right now which is unnecessary and harmful stress! I'd suggest sticking with the 18/6 light schedule (some growers believe you can even push it to 20/4) since your plants need that dark time to actually burn that energy they produced during the day performing photosynthesis! As for the nutrient issues you're having I already addressed it in another answer to you. Hope this helps! Good luck and happy growing :)
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DreamOn
DreamOnweek 4
Good luck with the grow mate! 🌱😎
Neo_007
Neo_007
@DreamOn, Thank you!!
Stonerd
Stonerdweek 5
Nice grow and even better questions and hypothesis!! would love to chat with ya and maybe shed some light on few of them! Happy growing! :)
Stonerd
Stonerd
@Neo_007, well I just got on signal, and don't really understand it completely so private message me here how to connect over there if you want :) and yeah there are a lot of contradicting info out there so it's quite hard to understand at first, as you experience with the plant you'll get the hang of it! only important thing is to have patience with your grows
Neo_007
Neo_007
@Stonerd, that sounds epic mate. The learning curve here is kicking my ass. Hows that work in your world? Here? Hit you up on Signal App?
Ferenc
Ferencweek 6
Happy Growing! Nice detailed! @Neo_007
Neo_007
Neo_007
@Ferenc, Thank you so much! Inspired by this app I have been keeping a journal, and had I not, I would definitely not have noticed my rooted clones had hit 1' within 5 days!! Thats FAST right? F@#$. I took this moment in the journal log to go ahead and review my journals and consolidate my thinking and it feels like its helping the info gel and the questions arise. I really appreciate your feedback!