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millerman543
millerman543started grow question a month ago
Does “flower” stage start on the day of flip or after stretch? Because my buds here look small for being week 4 but if flower started after stretch the buds look probably on track. Usually my plants go like 10 weeks even when they’re 8 week plants according to breeder.
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Spike_KCanG
Spike_KCanGanswered grow question a month ago
Hi bud. Learned the hard way, I count when the pistols start clustering. You'll see it happen at the bud sites. Technically you could start counting when pre-flowers appear, because technically the plant is in flower stage. Choice is up to you. First things first, as easy as it is to compare to other grows: STOP. No two plants are alike, and no two grows are alike. Secondly, if that's your Amnesia Haze grow, that strain has a long flowering stage. The flowering stage alone can last between 12 and 18 weeks. Hence why RQS states, the grow can take 4months to finish. Your buds are right on track for the 4th week, if it's a real Amnesia Haze 👍 The buds will grow thin and tall until about the last 3-4 weeks of bloom, in which the flowers will literally explode in size, making the bud three times thicker than what it was. It's a difficult strain to grow, and even more difficult to master. Take it from me, someone who is starting their 5th run of Amnesia Haze, your plant is doing just fine. Minimal increments of nutrients when it is time to adjust. Give it 25-30C at 50RH and she will become faded-purple with lots and lots of frost 😎 If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to pm me and I am more than willing to share all my experience from the past 10 months with this strain.
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Gnrlymsntrp81
Gnrlymsntrp81answered grow question a month ago
The flip is to signal the plant veg is over. Do not change nutrients etc.(SORRY GROW GECKO) when you flip to 12/12. continue with veg nutes till stretch is over,or you will most likely get nitrogen defficiency. it's normal for plants to take longer for flowering bc breeders know faster flowering sells better, so they cheat a few weeks. Especially for an amnesia your plant looks on track, still 8 weeks to close the gaps between budsites and you have many, well spaced, so they will grow to one big bud. Keep an eye on humidity, over 50 is a problem, especially in the last weeks. Big buds getting overripe(the more amber) tend to but rot quickly. But since it starts in the middle most people don't even know and will smoke it in the end.
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GanjaGecko
GanjaGeckoanswered grow question a month ago
Hey grüß dich. Für Dünger und Zusätze ist der erste Tag der Blüte, der erste Tag 12/12. Wenn man bei den Breeder Angaben aber den ersten Tag ab der sichtbaren Blüte zählt, stimmen die Angaben ungefähr. Der gleiche Strain kann sich aber auch um 10 Tage unterscheiden, je nach Pheno.
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HomyHomegrow
HomyHomegrowanswered grow question a month ago
Yes u are right. Most people count the flowering period starting from the first da 12/12. So if the breeder say 8 weeks it means 8 weeks from start of 12/12. In reality that is under good conditions and can vary weeks from pheno to phontyp. I got a gsc from seedstockers that should have 9 weeks of flower and i was finsihed at 12. That was a extrem case. So check the trichromes and harvest when 10-30% truen ember depens on your tase and dont get mad about the time. I wish u good luck.
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WillynLuna
WillynLunaanswered grow question a month ago
To be quite honest with you, it doesn't matter how many days it takes to finish. What matters is you harvest when the plant is actually finished. If it takes 2 weeks longer than what was stated and you harvested prime grade bud, you would have likely been a bit disappointed if you harvested it 2 weeks ago. You can use the breeder's harvest time as a reference to get an idea of "about" how long it will take to finish ... but good growers will not chop until the trichomes look the way they want them to when viewed under magnification. I like mine "cloudy with a few specs of amber... maybe up to 10% of the bud trichomes amber." Others might like theirs more cloudy with a touch less amber. Regardless most people will tell you that if the majority of the bud trichomes are clear .... wait. If you own a smartphone, look into purchasing a wireless wifi microscope/camera. Mine cost me approximately 35 bucks from Amazon. It really comes in handy.
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Crusty_Juggler
Crusty_Juggleranswered grow question a month ago
Looks perfectly fine for 4 weeks from flip, expect an Amenesia Haze to go about 12 weeks from flip to harvest. Always count from flip if you want consistent logs with accurate finishing times you can actually use as reference in the future :) I would worry about the nanners though! A lot! Sometimes you can pick them off and get through without pollination, but if they start throwing pollen ALL of your bud will be seeded and it will be extremely annoying to smoke/vape/squish the bud.
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ATLien415
ATLien415answered grow question a month ago
A good way to view the flowering period is a standard ~9 week flower where the first 3 weeks can be considered a stretching or pre-flowering period and the remaining weeks your 'flowering-proper'. In reality it is all flowering, with the exception of hormone transport and such that begins with the flip not being instant. Different mediums and environments certainly play into a particular plant's flowering timeline. The length of day is also a large factor in flowering given a particular plant (i.e., shorter days incentivize faster growth with the clear tradeoff of energy available). I'd expect breeder numbers to include a rushed, closet-sized plant stuffed with proper feedings and hammered with appropriate DLI with the shortest measurement possible given to consumers. Much like puffery on resumes, once a single breeder starts this downhill battle then all breeders are disadvantaged if they do not participate. The long answer is that photoperiod cannabis has a plethora of unexplored areas for research. We are seeing some landrace adjacent strains recirculating with 16 week or longer flowering times. We have hemp researchers flipping flowering timelines on their heads with unorthodox flowering periods. I even have a strain I usually run from flipping to chopping fully mature at 49 days with a special photoperiod cycle of my own - believe it or not, there is a ton of research to be done in this area.
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DaddyPrime2
DaddyPrime2answered grow question a month ago
when i follow by the pistils, im normally harvesting a week earlier. but if i do it by the time i flip to 12/12 then im harvesting a week late give or take. so i normally just decide that theres a 1 week transition period and a 3 week preflower or stretch period and im still giving veg nutes plus bloom nutes at this point to acct for the stretch and preflower and transition phase.
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WillynLuna
WillynLunaanswered grow question a month ago
Breeders start their count when they flip to 12/12. Don't worry if yours take longer. The number of days is usually considered under "Ideal grow" parameters. Once you're able to dial in your grow consistently, your plants will finish closer to what the breeder estimates.
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Ultraviolet
Ultravioletanswered grow question a month ago
The 1st day of flower is when you see pistil clusters. Many growers just start counting flowering from the day they switch the lights over to a 12/12 schedule. One of the earliest signs of the flowering stage is the emergence of pre-flowers. Pre-flowers are small, underdeveloped versions of the flowers that will later develop into buds. They appear at the nodes, where branches and leaves meet the main stem. Ignore mentally ill trolls.
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00110001001001111O
00110001001001111Oanswered grow question a month ago
LOL, they are absolutely flowering once the hormone feedback loops causes it to happen, which is what the extended darkness causes. this is what bro-science does. It ignores existing reference information that anybody can look up and just fabricates an answer not tied to facts. I know this is hard for some people, but it's not always about what you can see and the superficial. Those flowers are being built before you can see, them, therefore the plant is in flower before you can tell with your eyes. this is not an opinion. It's plant biology. A hormone is produced in darkness. If it accumulates to high enough levels, when given a long enough dark cycle, it causes flower phase to start. It is a positive feedback loop. This is not unusual or rare in biology. Our bodies have those sort of stuff going on too for various reasons. human senses are not the best way to determin this, lol. they are limited and lacking the resolution necessary. When the switch is flipped, it's in flower phase. If it takes more than 1 long night, i'd be suprised. It certainly doesn't take long because otherwise the preflowers wouldn't pop up 7-8 days later. Growth doesn't manifest out of the ether. It takes time to develop and preflowers don't grow overnight.
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Scrubbyjimbob
Scrubbyjimbobanswered grow question a month ago
Honestly how you track it is strictly a personal preference. Many mark it at the beginning of 12/12 and others do once signs of flowering begin. I practice the later. I find breeder estimates are a little closer to accurate when I do.
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Organoman
Organomananswered grow question a month ago
When the actual flowers start growing. Flipping to 12/12 is just a step in getting them to flower, they are not flowering just because you have changed the light cycle, flowering usuall start 10-20 days after the change to 12/12.
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00110001001001111O
00110001001001111Oanswered grow question a month ago
biologically, it happens when you give the plant a long enough dark cycle. What you see comes 7-10 days later as it cannot manifest out of the ether. It has to grow. Week 4 is a bit early to judge. If it's a slower flowering plant, it can still add quite a bit, and even an 8 week variety isn't quite done packing on the weight, yet, either. if you plants are healthy and you don't do weird bro-science shit that delays flower, you probably just picked slower flowering plants as opposed to you causing it to be slow. Go look over old photos from same point in previous grows... it's a good reminder of expected development. (your grows. not others) YMMV
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Green_claws
Green_clawsanswered grow question a month ago
I'm sure you have just answered your own question my friend. Either give 2 weeks more or start counting 2 weeks later after the flip to 12/12... Hope this clarifies it for you.
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