Why does this take so long ?

5LT_Pot
5LT_Potstarted grow question 1mo ago
I have three Thai landrace Mekong sativas from Ace Seeds (you can check my diary). Is it normal for them to take this long? I'm in week 16, and there's still no sign of trichomes. One of them is only in the early flowering stage. It seems really weird. Do you guys have any ideas
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Plant. Too tall
Setup. Strains · Photoperiod
Techniques. 12-12 from seed
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Altitonans_Fulmen
Altitonans_Fulmenanswered grow question 2mo ago
Plain old 18-week strain aside. Phenotypic plasticity. Floral transition can be affected by a multitude of factors; too much or too little nitrogen can mess up gene expression and signal triggers. Nitrogen acts not just as a building block, but as a direct signaling molecule. It intricately intertwines to control when a plant transitions from vegetative to flowering. The Florigen gene and its rate of expression are highly sensitive to immediate levels. Nitrogen directly fuels cytokinin and auxin production, which dictate whether a plant allocates its energy to leafy vegetative growth or axillary bud and flower development(bud leaf ratio). Judging by the looks of your plant development, it looks to have a consistently high nitrogen ratio, which may be skewing developmental patterns. Then again, landraces often look different too. The ratio of ammoniacal nitrogen NH4+ to nitrate NO3- is also a critical determinant of a plant's developmental timeline. Controlling this ratio alters internal signaling—nitrate promotes structural growth and can act as a floral signaling molecule, while ammonium pushes vegetative energy and affects cellular pH. As the photoperiod or environmental cues trigger flowering, most crops perform optimally by shifting to a highly nitrate-dominated diet. Keeping ammonium very low (around 5% to 10% of total nitrogen) in late flower prevents toxicity, stabilizes the rhizosphere pH, and ensures the plant directs its remaining energy toward floral ripening rather than green growth. Similar to "stress tolerance" in that it invokes a response, or it doesn't. Too strong/many of the wrong signals tip some over the edge into "indecision", and can take forever to transition. Remember, plant genetics are not entirely dictated; they are complex combinations of genes 50% and environmental expression 50%, meaning the direct availability of nutrients/spectral composition dictates the developmental structure/ratio and phytohormone balance. Incorrect signals can strain development. Sucrose (carbon sugars) in a medium is much more than a simple energy source; it acts as a core signaling molecule that harmonizes carbon status with cues to initiate flowering. (be warned of using sugars tho, very strong oxygen scavenger that will cause direct competition between microorganisms and plants for oxygen if it's scarce. Sucrose is far more a signalling molecule for plants than glucose so it's important to distinguish and not just feed "sugars" to a medium unwittingly. An increased ratio of reds at 660nm strongly promotes flowering. Add 15-30 min of 730nm at sunset for maximal signal induction of florigen using the Emerson effect. Best of luck. Looks like you got your hands full with those beauties!
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theChimp
theChimpanswered grow question 2mo ago
Yes, this is very slow, but still plausible for a Thai landrace. Week 16 from seed is not the same as week 16 of actual flowering, and your diary shows that they continued vegetating for weeks after the flip. The slowest plant may only now be entering true flower, so another 8–12 weeks, possibly longer, would not surprise me (especially for the plant that just recently started flower). You did several things right. However, based on your diary, these plants have also dealt with repeated topping, supercropping, and other high-stress training, limited root space, inconsistent watering, a crowded canopy, and lights only about 10 cm away. Those stresses may be slowing an already extremely slow tropical cultivar, which can compound these traits. At this point, I would stop major pruning and supercropping, tie the tallest branches sideways, maintain consistent watering, and simplify the nutrient program. You might also consider changing to 11/13 to encourage stronger flowering.
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MindFlowers68
MindFlowers68answered grow question 2mo ago
If you run long flowering sativa from clone they will finish a week or two fast along with running 12/12 or 11/13 from seed. You can look at my nevilles haze diary to see what bud development over 16 weeks looks like. These types of plants are really advanced to expert grower territory. I want to try mine aging because i made some mistakes. One of those mistakes was taking the seed pack 100% seriously. I could've harvested at 14 weeks
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Hashy
Hashyanswered grow question 2mo ago
I have a couple of landrace sativa strains and the breeder recommends 14-20 weeks flower. Depending on which strain I try, hence why I haven't grown them.
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Mooncat
Mooncatanswered grow question 2mo ago
Oh yeah...these Sativas need a bit of preparation and muuuch patience. You might need to do some funky LST/HST so they dont grow into the tents ceiling.
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LPinto
LPintoanswered grow question 2mo ago
Good morning, I also agree with the opinion that it's still early... But I was looking at your diary, in week 11 of flowering there’s an interesting photo, the second photo seems to me that the plant was fertilized and produced seeds, meaning your focus is on the seeds and not the flowers. That might be the reason why it’s not developing the flowers and trichomes as expected. However, we’re waiting for other opinions to see what’s going on with the plant.
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ZariRat_Grow
ZariRat_Growanswered grow question 2mo ago
Hello, there would be many things to review, but I measured the PPF, it could be a light issue, in our humble opinion. Cheers, and we hope that soon your grow will be snow, cheers 💚🍀🌱🍀💚
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Organoman
Organomananswered grow question 2mo ago
16-20 weeks of flowering..............are you ready for the wait?? You have only been flowering for 4-5 weeks now, so............ Ace themselves (in the past) suggested flowering these sorts of strains at 11/13 instead of 12/12.
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Argos
Argosanswered grow question 2mo ago
Sativa strains have a significantly longer flowering time than indica or hybrid strains, which can mean a difference of 4 to 6 weeks. It is said about this strain: - The Mekong or Southeast Asian landrace sativa strains require an exceptionally long flowering period, typically lasting around 14-18 weeks. Some specialized or equatorial varieties can take even 16-20+ weeks, as they have developed in regions with a constant 12/12 photoperiod. I think you should check out Ace Seeds or look for other seed banks.
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