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La semana 2 a sido un poco jodida, el inicio de la semana fue ir a mirar las plantas por la mañana y ver una planta cortada al lado del tallo.. me dio mucha rabia era una moon rock, como tenia la moon rock 3 en vaso pues la puse en su lugar.. pero lo malo es que al dia siguiente otras 2 plantas igual. Y por la noche revisando vi un gusano milpies de esos que son grises duros y si los tocas te huele fatal la mano.. por lo que se ve este individuo estaria pegado en la malla de sombraje y no me di cuenta.. Les toca riego con microvita a dosis de 1 gr en 4 litros de agua. Le doy a cada planta medio litro de la solucion nutriente. Como veia que no tiraban bien en exterior con la malla de sombra pues monte la estructura del armario y las puse bajo el Led 240 w para alargarle las horas, las tengo por la mañana de 9 a 17 al sol y luego las meto en el interior a alargarles las horas. Al final quedan 3 plantas vivas, 2 auto fractal y 1 auto moon rock.. espero poder acabar el cultivo lo mas decentemente posible.
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Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu meinem Growbericht Outdoor 2025 mit den Sorten Power Flower Feminized, Royal Medic Feminized und Special Kush #1 Feminized, alle 3 von Royal Queen Seeds. Es ist das erste Mal, das ich Töpfe für den Outdoor grow verwende, bisher waren alle Gorilla grows und direkt in die Erde gepflanzt. Die URL der Power Flower Feminized: https://www.royalqueenseeds.de/feminisierte-hanfsamen/120-power-flower.html Die URL der Royal Medic Feminized: https://www.royalqueenseeds.de/cbd-samen/148-royal-medic.html Die URL der Special Kush #1 Feminized: https://www.royalqueenseeds.de/feminisierte-hanfsamen/138-special-kush-1.html Die Planung für den Grow ist, die Samen in easyplug Anzuchtwürfeln keimen zu lassen und danach in 0,6L und 2,2L Plastiktöpfen, dann letztlich in die neuen komplett doppellagigen ROOTIES 15 Liter Wide Version Stofftöpfe umzutopfen. Sobald die Witterung es zuläßt, sollen die Pflanzen an die frische Luft. Es ist schon eine Weile her, das der Grow losging, die Bilder sind jetzt aktuell. Tag 133: Die Power Flower fem. ist jetzt 170 cm, die Special Kush #1 fem. 170 cm und die Royal Medic fem. 145 cm hoch. Gestern haben die drei einen kurzen Regenguss abbekommen, war nicht schnell genug draussen. Heute ist das Wetter ideal, leicht bewölkt, 27°C und 45% Luftfeuchtigkeit. Es wird weiter 2x am Tag jeweils 1,5 Liter gegossen, den Schachtelhalmextrakt gibt's nur 1x alle 14 Tage. Tag 135: Sehr windig und ein düsterer Himmel, den Rest des Tages verbringen die Großen unter'm Balkon. Wenn's dir gefallen hat, schau wieder vorbei ✌️😎
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Day 29 29/07/24 Monday Nice feeding today with De-chlorinated tap water pH 6. Gave her 300 ml and she had a small run off. Getting chunky in the stem now 💪💚 Day 31 31/07/24 Wednesday De-chlorinated water pH 6 today with Plagron pk13-14 5ml to 5L Plagron power buds 5ml to 5L Used 300ml of the 5L solution. I will be using these on water days from now on as they are advised to be used every irrigation. We'll see how they perform 💪💚 Day 32 01/08/24 Thursday Another feed today using de-chlorinated tap water pH 6, there now taking 300ml every evening. Day 35 04/08/24 Sunday END OF WEEK 😁 De-chlorinated tap water pH 6 today with Plagron products. 300ml each. Had a issue with leaf invaders this week, I have treated and am checking every 48 hrs so far seems ok and not progressive. All plants look great, very healthy, one of the Overdose is way behind and due to space maybe culled at flower I'll see how she gets on.
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Buenas noches , espero que empecéis con bien pue la semana, yo acabo la tercera semana de crecimiento y estás do sweet dos de sweet seeds me tienen enamorao. . Lo primero, se han trasplantado a final de semana a su depósito real 11L. . La humedad anda entre 60/70% la temperatura está entre 23/26 grados, el led es increíble , y como siempre el ph está en 5,8/6,0. . AgroBeta: 0,8 ml x L Growth black line , vía radicular. 0,2 ml x L Tucán , vía radicular. 0,15 ml x L Flash Root , vía radicular. 0,05 ml x L Gold Joker, vía radicular. . Hasta aquí todo esta semana a sido algo complicado y todavía queda montar la extracción pero es ya lo último. Espero que os guste buenos humos 💨💨💨.
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Started too flush for 14 Day. I am very impressed for the result for my first grow 🤔 in addition its auto plant so less good than fem but the bud is sooo dense I am chocked aha. Happy growing everybody and Thanks for the share and comments🙏 I will come back as soon as possible to show the buds once they have dried.
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Week 2 of Flowering plants are doing there final reach. I defoliated one plant that is out of control growing fast..lol.. in hopes to stunt it a little . Everything is going well I'm very surprised at how much nutrients these girls need. I feed them every watering or they start to wilt and yellow. Crazy .. I might try to slow that down now that the leaves are very rich in green color. No signs of burn only deficiency Wich I corrected by feeding them every watering.🤷
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This week, growth is going very well for tarte tatins. 🌿 I am adding anti-midge bird stickers, to prevent their appearance For this grow, I plan to let each plant grow with a large main bud, without topping. Next week I will cut the lower branches closest to the ground. ----------------------------------------------------------- My Instagram 🌱❤️️ : https://www.instagram.com/hou_stone420/ ----------------------------------------------------------- 💧Watering: 1L on day 9 and 0.5L on day 12 I use tap water, adjust the ph to around 5.8 and water ------------------------------------------------------------ 🤩Equipment of the week : Light FC3000 Mars hydro. power 80% at 50cm Extractor 6 inch Mars Hydro. power 1/10. ON 24/24h 2 fans to circulate the air inside the tent. Each on for 30 minutes then off for 1 hour. this rhythm repeats itself in a loop Heating mat Romberg 95x95cm. ON 45 minutes. OFF 30minutes. In a loop ----------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for your visit🙏 And thank you very much for your support💚 ❤️️ Long live to grow diaries community❤️️ 👋
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Okay so I'm trying something new, since I've gone away from a switch to water for the last week flush I harvested the tops and best smalls and packed the cannatrol full. I'm giving the under growth a bit more time to rippen before I harvest that for the the freezer. If this turns out to be a bad idea I'll not do it again in the future. The last long video is what's left in the tent right now. Let me know if any of you have experience doing this. Updated with a bunch of pictured of dried and cured. Ended up with 186g of beautiful flower. 72g of untrimmed smalls I'll make into RSO, I have a lot of back and nerve pain and RSO hands down the only thing that brings me actual relive, I'm late to the party on this one but I set a side part of the grow for it now. I let the under canopy and shorter tops go another 10 days feed at half strength and I'm glad I did, it ripened up nicely and definitely got a lot of color. I forgot to get pictures of that harvest but I will when I pull it from the freezer to wash. My test jar of this washed at 4+% (the last picture). Last update will be results of that wash. Last update on this one, I added a couple hash/rosin pics at the end. She washed from plant to rosin at 4.03% the terps are musky skunk, sweet pastries, and fresh Linen. I'd definitely grow this one again.
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great, everything is going really smoothly, @Zamnesia Runtz auto, copes perfectly with leaf spot and LST, started to bloom, so I think it will soon stop growing upwards, and I won't have to hurt it anymore :) @Plagron This is the first time I've used nutritional fertilizers, but I already understand that it definitely won't be the last :) good luck to everyone :).
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Esta es la última semana de vegetación. El día 29 se realiza poda apical en cada una de las plantas. El día 33 se realiza defoliación de las hojas grandes que salen del tronco central. El día 34 se coloca la malla scrog. El día 35 se cambia el fotoperiodo siendo éste el último día de vegetativo.
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Ciao a tutti, confermo che sta mettendo un odore simile alla ciambella con note di arancia dolce calda, le cime sono molto dense specialmente quelle in alto, ec di 2.4 ph 6.3!
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Sorry for the last 2 and a half weeks been ill , plants have been well and happy tho. Not long to go switched it up to 600w on the digital ballast now. Explode and pk and boost have been doing job. I have been keeping soil quite moist as this is a important stage to stay nourished and fed. Hopefully the stretch period is over now and we can fully put on some size. Be good and stay safe
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7/25 Did two videos this morning. One where I was only going to water the 3 gallons I had mixed up but it's going to be very hot this week. Didn't want to make the same mistake as last time so I watered everything AT LEAST A GALLON. I need to bump up the volume during these really hot, humid days abd it doesn't get worse then this. Things are getting dusty. Found an inch worm and some minor pest damage. Once it cools down ill spray something. Also noticing small nitrogen deficiency that takes a leaf and moves up the plant a little bit. I'm going to need to start nutes this week. I'll keep this updated. Went back over around one and everything was looking fantastic! Took a few pictures and defoliated a few leaves. UPDATE: I GOT A MESSAGE FROM DAD SAYING MY PLANTS LOOKED DROOPY. I HADNT MADE IT OVER FOR MY NIGHTLY INSPECTION BUT HAVING WATERED YESTERDAY I WAS THINKIBG OF SKIPPING IT. GOT THERE AND SAW THE FIRST 10TH PLANET DROOPY. ALL THE TENTH PLANETS LOOK RELATIVELY THE SAME BUT ONE OF THEM IS MY "CANARY IM A COAL MINE" AS IT DROOPS WAY BEFORE THE OTHERS. THE TWO BLUE CHEESES IN 20S THAT DRY OUT FASTER GOT TWO GALLONS AS DID MY 10TH PLANET CANARY AND MY BIG BLUE IN THE 50. ITS BEEN 90S AND SUNSHINE AND ITS ONLY GOING TO GET HOTTER. I HAVE THINGS GOING ON IN THE MORNING SO I WONT HE ABLE TO WATER. I NOTICED MORE NITROGEN DEFICIENCY RISING IN THE BLUECHEESE THAT DRINKS ALL THE WATER. OBVIOUSLY ILL NEED TO ADD NUTES SOONER THAB LATER CONSIDERING IM IN FLOWER BUT THE PLANTS ARE STILL A NICE GREEN AMD ONLY LOSING VERY FEW LEAVES. I ACTUALLY SAW A COUPKE BURNT LEAF TIPS ON A COUPKE PLANTS AFTER I WATERED WITH THE KELP ME/YOU. THIS SOIL IS AWESOME. WHAT IS THIS? WEEK 16 AND STILL GOING STRONG. WHEN I DO DECIDE TO START NUTES ILL TEST IT ON THAT BLUE CHEESE THATS FURTHER IN SENESCENCE. I TOOK A QUICK VIDEO ILL UPLOAD TOMORROW. 7/26 Had a bear come around my cage and getting into out bird feeders. Bent the iron shelerds hook all the way to the ground! Getting AMMONIA now to try and keep him away. Bags were heavy this morning but it's going to be really hot again. It'll be on the 90s the next few days so I need to be very careful. After we get through this I'll do an app of BT. Garden looks fantastic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lants are looking FANTASTIC this morning. Soil is still damp this morning and bags are heavy as hell. They look super happy. Obviously my watering situation depends on the weather. Today and tomorrow are supposed to be the hottest days so I wanted to make sure the plants had sufficient water before this. I'll let them dry out totally before watering again. There's another four lined plant big somewhere that sat there and destroyed another leaf. I'm AT LEAST spraying with BT after this heat wave. Supposed to rain a little today with thunderstorms. I haven't got my supports up yet but if i need to I coukd throw my tarps up real quick. Don't think I'll need to though. These are some tough freaking plants and I am super proud of how they've turned out thus far. UPDATE: WENT BACK OVER AND RE APPLIED BLEECH TO THE RAGS AND ON THE PERIMETER OF MY CAGE. I TACKED A FEW MORE DRYER SHEETS UP. REASON I DID THIS WAS BECAUSE WEVE BEEN GETTING HORRIBLE THUNDER STORMS WITH TORRENTIAL RAIN. THE WEATHER MAN HAD BEEN WRONG SEVERAL TIMES WARNING OF THUNDER STORMS AND WE WOULDNT GET SHIT. THIS TIME IT WAS PRETTY BAD. TOOK A SHORT VIDEO. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE HOTTEST DAYS TODAY AND TOMORROW. I DIDNT NOTICE ANY BREAKAGE AND I DONT SEE ANY ON MY CAMS. IM SURE ITS NOT THAT MUCH RAIN AND THOSE NAHS WILL DRY OUT SOON. I NEED TO GET MORE PH DOWN AND DECIDE WHAT IT IS IM GOING TO DO FOR NUTES IN FLOWER AND MAKE UP MY MIND. 7/28 Huge thunderstorms all day yesterday and through the night with high wonds. Plants made it through unscathed despite the lack of a trellis. Today is supposed to be the hottest of these days. I think the hear wave ends today. I really need to get my supports up. I'm super lucky to not have had any breaks during the storm. I have a couple of videos I did but I didn't upload them earlier and now that I'm back in the woods I doubt they'll upload now. I'll give it a shot. If not I'll put them up tomorrow. OH! I found that four lined plant bug that had been fucking up my leaves and squished him. Well I hope it was him. If not I killed a sibling at least. UPDATE: JUST WOW. This morning all drooped over from the storm went over at 4 and its still 90 and they seem to have grown sic inches and jumped forward WAY more into flower. I am amazed. I'll upload a photo or two but I took a video I'll put up tomorrow. Super stoked. Oh and you can give me a red smile face for not using nutes every week @growdiaries but you point out the deficiency then I'll fix it. 7/29 Plants looking fantastic this morning. UPDATE: PLANNED ON NOT GOING TO THECGROW TOMOGHT SEEING THAT IT HAD RAINED SO HARD AMD THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GET RAIN TONIGHT. I GET THERE AT ABOUT FIVE AND MY CANARY AND A FEWCOTHERS WERE DROOPING! IT WAS IN THE 80S ALL DAY. I GAVE EACH PLANT A GALLON OF WATER. THE GROW BAGS ON THE TEO WORST PLANTS WERE SUBSTANTIALLY LIGHTER THAN THE REST. I HOPE IM NOT OVERWATERING. THE PLANTS SEEMED TO PICK BACK UP AFTER WATERING BUT ILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW TO UPLOAD MY PICTURES AND VIDEOS. I NEEDED TO ADD TEMPORARY SUPPORTS TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLANTS. IM CERTAINLY GLAD I GOT THE URGE TO GO OVER. WHAT A CHANGE IN A FEW HOURS 7/30 Plants are really growing fast and transitioning quick to flower. We got almost no rain so I'm glad I watered like I was supposed to even though the bags had some heft to them. I'm noticing more pest damage. I'm thinking a bt spray tonight might be beneficial. I'll look through what I've got on hand. I may just give them an application of spinosid but we'll see. I still need to move things and put my supports up. Medical problems have slowed me down. UPDATE: Went to check the plants around 3 and they looked great. Bags were still heavy and a little bit moist. I think with the added rain some of the plants may have been overwatered. I should have only watered tue bags that felt light. There is only one plant now that looks a little overwatered and even that is looking good. I found some more minor pest damage. Winds were fairly high. I wondered about my trellis netting but it hadn't been sanitized and my plants are very healthy so I decided to wait. I watched them dance like willows in the wind. I know it won't be like that with big ol colas on them but for right now it's working out just fine. Goal for next week is to move the front row back and move things around to better utilize space, possibly spray for pest and add supports for final flowering after I get the plants situated how I want them. If I do it right I may be able to lst some. Also took a 2 minute video but I cant upload until tomorrow. 7/31 I'm wondering about my watering habits. This morning I watered a couple blue cheese and purple punch plants with just a half gallon as they were light and looked drooping. I'm wonderingvif I'm overwatering. Some plants still seem heavy while others are light? I think the plants may have been overwatered due to the torrential rain and my taking less time hand watering. Hopefully I won't come home from this doctors appointment to wilted plants but I really doubt it. 10th planet requires far less water than the two other strains. Even specific phenos require more water and its difficult with the different size containers but im working with what ive got. I need more ph down and I've gotta get these plants supported. These are some massive plants. Store was closed. Dispensary was opened. Showed my buddy the video then it started raining. By the time I got there the plants looked horrible. Everything was droopy but a couple were really bad. A few weren't bad at all. Actually the one in the ten needed it. I think I just need to give more water at a time and document how I water each plant individually. I also need to take into consideration the weather. Hard to do when it's so unpredictable. I'll wait for them to dry out and then I plan to start low doses of big bloom and grow big but I need to wait for them to dry out first. Then next watering they'll get some nutes. It's sunny now so I may go check my plants. I may also put a fan out for a while on the bags. That might help them out.
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✨**Grow Report by Zuppler - Week 8 Flowering Phase** 👀🐗 Ayo, what’s good fam? Zuppler back with that Week 8 flowering update, and we’re gettin’ real close to harvest time now. Just two more weeks to go, and these girls are almost ready to shine. The buds have gotten so heavy I had to tie ‘em up to keep ‘em from toppin' over. They’re thick, dense, and full of weight – just what we’ve been workin’ for. I’ve already started flushin’ the medium, lettin’ ‘em clear out all the leftover nutes. The plants are respondin' well, and the fade is startin' to show real nice. Right now, almost all the trichomes are milky, and I’m just waitin' for that perfect amber to start showin' up. It’s a waiting game now, lettin' ‘em ripen and hit peak potency. The smell’s still crazy loud, and the resin is drippin’ like it’s made for the top shelf. Everything’s goin' smooth – temps, humidity, all dialed in to finish these queens off strong. We’re in the home stretch, and in two weeks, it’s choppin’ time. Zuppler signin’ out. The harvest is almost here, fam!
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👉Alrighty Then👈 👉Apple And Banana 👈 week 4 of flower So we had some real nice growth this , had to do a little leaf management👈 flower mode activated...... Everything is looking good 👍I'm using well water which is hard so I'm having a few issue but I'm on it .... So ive up'd the nutrients to accommodate pre flower ..... Soil by Promix Nutrients by Cronks Lights by MarsHydro.ca FC4800 X UR45 X Adlite Deep Red And Blue Tent 4x4x6.5 & Equipment by MarsHydro.ca High reflectivity inner mylar Thick Oxford fabric Smooth heavy duty zipper Sturdy metal frame Zipper blackout cloth Good anti light leakage performance The 6in Inline kicks ass moves alot of air ●Blue Light Effect: Blue light shortens internodes, resulting in shorter, stronger plants, ideal for supporting fruit development later. During vegetative growth, blue light promotes lateral branch development effectively. Well this should be fun 🙃 Thanks to all my growmies out there for stopping by its much appreciated 👈 👉Happy Growing👈 Well this should be fun 🙃 Thanks to all my growmies out there for stopping by its much appreciated 👈 👉Happy Growing👈
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Greetings, fellow cultivators and stewards of the green realm! It's time to embark on the Week 4 Flower Report for the enchanting Jealousy in the Power Buds competition. The grow room has transformed into a sanctuary of blossoming beauty, and our verdant queen continues to captivate with her botanical grace. As we venture deeper into the fourth week of flowering, Jealousy's prayerful demeanor remains steadfast. It's like a perpetual botanical meditation, where every leaf is a testament to the serene communion between plant and light. The grow room echoes with the hum of chlorophyll, and Jealousy stands as a living embodiment of lush greenery. The flower formation is a sight to behold. Buds, adorned in trichome-laden splendor, emerge like jewels on a botanical crown. The pace at which they're developing is nothing short of remarkable—almost turbocharged. It's like witnessing a botanical sprint, where each bud races toward maturity with an urgency that adds an extra layer of excitement to our horticultural odyssey. And now, let's talk root porn! Brace yourselves for a visual feast as we delve into the underground world of the clones. The roots, like intricate threads weaving a subterranean tapestry, tell a story of vitality and success. These clones, offspring of our majestic Jealousy, have not only taken root but have done so with a vigor that speaks volumes about the genetic prowess passed down from their botanical matriarch. The success of these clones is a testament to the health and vitality of Jealousy herself. It's like witnessing the circle of life in a green kingdom, where each rooted clone is a promise of continuity and a nod to the resilience of the plant lineage. As we navigate the fourth week of flowering, let's extend our gratitude to Zamnesia and Plagron, the unseen architects of our botanical masterpiece. Their contributions continue to shape the narrative of our green adventure. A standing ovation to the Grow Diaries community – your shared experiences and boundless enthusiasm are the pillars of our collective knowledge. To my fellow contestants and growers, may your buds swell with magnificence, and may the vibrancy of your grow rooms reflect the success of your botanical endeavors. Here's to a week of perpetual prayer, turbocharged growth, and the anticipation of a harvest that will leave us all in awe. Stay green, stay inspired, and keep cultivating those dreams! As always, thank you all for stopping by, for the love and for it all. This journey of mine would just not be the same without you guys. The love and support are very much appreciated, and I feel honored and blessed with you all in my life !!! With true love comes happiness. Always believe in yourself and always do things expecting nothing in return, with an open heart. Be a giver, and the universe will respond in ways you can’t even dream of . Friendly reminder: all you see here is pure research and for educational purposes only. Genetics - Jelousy @Zamnesia Nutrients @Plagron Light - @viparspectra P2000 Room size - 3x3 - 0,9x0,9
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Starting strong, need to and alternative way of watering as I was using a jug and some of the soil sunk which made the stem bend down a little. This was quickly corrected A few changes on 27th I removed the oil heater that was really to big for the size of the tent. By doing this alone I could bring the light closer which is the reason for the slow growth. I also bought a humidifier as I was manually spraying the tent and now I can keep the levels up all the time I could now either use a smaller fan heater in or outside blowing through intake vents (without drying the plant up now I have the humidifier) or…… I could put the oil heater on outside the heat and insulate it
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This past week has been a blast! After getting these ladies nutrition straightened out, they are thriving!💚🌱💚 I gave defoliated wayyy more than what I see other growers traditionally doing. After the "3rd and final haircut" I defoliated two more times 😅 Thank you the GD community for the support and resources along the way 🙏 My only concern now is the tent actually becoming too crowded.😆. Other then that I am thinking it should be smooth sailing these next 6 weeks or so. 🏴‍☠️😎🏴‍☠️ Happy Growing! 💚💪🌱😎🌱💪💚
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Forgot to mention that I topped them at some point a couple of weeks back and it worked wonders. Trimmed them for the first time and wow did they like it! That's about it. Too tired now to remember anything else. Oh yeah I installed one of those terrarium ceramic bulbs that just heat up without emitting light but it seems like it's not needed