~ AirCube Active Oxygen Ebb/Flow System sponsored by GrowAce, featuring Strawberry Gorilla Auto by FastBuds ~ Well guy's and gal's here we go again on another exciting Autoflower run together! This time will be different as I will be doing a 'Hydroponic' run utilizing the AirCube Active Oxygen Ebb/Flow System by GrowAce, who were kind enough to sponsor me for this run, so it should be interesting to see what results I get and have some fun along the way! •Let me first tell you about this 6 Pot Ebb/Flow system from GrowAce: "The AirCube system is the one and only Ebb & Flow grow system on the market that combines the benefits of air pruning with a fully automated Ebb+Flow system! With the AirCube's proprietary fabric pot in bucket design, this system is guaranteed to outgrow any other Ebb + Flow system on the market. The results speak for themselves- grow MASSIVE roots that result in MASSIVE fruits! Air Pruning- Air Pruning only happens with fabric pots. As the roots reach the fabric walls of the pot, they penetrate and grow into the breathable fabric. Once penetrated, the roots are exposed to air, which causes the tips of the root to dehydrate and naturally prune themselves. This natural pruning process forces the roots to grow tons of lateral fibrous feeder roots. This results in a plant that utilizes the entire root zone and fills the entire pot with tons of roots. These fibrous feeder roots are incredibly effective in uptaking water and nutrients, resulting in a plant that grows healthier and more vigorously! Oxygen Benefits- Without oxygen, nutrient absorption cannot occur. On a molecular level, oxygen is needed to transmit nutrients across the cell walls and into the roots of a plant. With the AirCube's proprietary bottom lifted draining design, the system actively draws all of the water out of the bucket pulls vital oxygen into the root zone. Maximum Versatility with Any Grow Medium: The AirCube System is the only system on the market that allows you to use any growing medium you like. Use coco coir, soil, peat moss, perlite, vermiculite, hydroton, rockwool or any other medium you wish! This system is the most versatile Ebb and Flow bucket system in today's hydroponics industry. Temperature Control- with the fabric pots constructed with highly porous polypropylene fabric, heat dissipates easily and effectively. Unlike standard plastic pots, heat isn't trapped in the root zone. Heat in standard plastic containers can reach temperatures of up to 125 degrees. When this type of heat is trapped and unable to escape, it can damage your plant's health and limit the potential of your harvest. Growing in the AirCube System, plant roots grow cooler, healthier, and more vigorous. Largest Pots in its Class- this system features 5 Gallon grow buckets, the largest pot size of any other ebb and flow hydroponic system in the market. Modular and Expandable- start with 6 grow buckets and expand up to 36 grow buckets with the optional 105 gallons PopTank reservoir!" For my medium and nutrients I decided to also switch things up from my regular Organic runs, going with Plagron Nutrients and Root Royale 70/30 Coco/Perlite. When filling the fabric pots with medium, I first added just under a gallon of horticulture perlite from Nor-Cal as a base layer to ensure good drainage and then filled the remainder with the Root Royale. •Now for one of my favorites, and award winning strain from my friends at FastBuds... Strawberry Gorilla Auto: I'll be running Strawberry Gorilla Autoflower which is a 55/45 Sativa/Indica Hybrid. "ATTENTION ALL! Due to our continuous efforts in evolving our breeding process, we are proud to confirm that our Strawberry Gorilla Auto has now become one of the most potent autoflowers in the world! Paving the way to our recent success where she ranked on top & brought home the gold at the very first American Autoflower Cup in California. Moreover, she proved that not only modern autoflowers can compete with photoperiods, but they can even beat them in their field. At the most recent edition of the Farmer’s Cup and competing against various photoperiodic strains, Strawberry Gorilla Auto took home the title of 'Highest Combined Terpenes' in the highly sought-after 'Home Grow Hash' category, with an impressive 97.163 mg/g total terpene content! Our exceptional genetic selection's crowning Strawberry Gorilla Auto strain is a spectacular hybrid known for producing yields of up to 600 gr/m2 in 70 days. This is a very manageable grow that can reach heights of up to 150 cm - due to its magnitude we recommend it for more experienced growers, as a huge plant may be a little overwhelming for first-timers. This show stopping sativa heavy hybrid is perfect as an all day smoke, producing a taste bud tingling, pungent berry and diesel terpene-rich flavor combo that leaves you with a grin from ear to ear, a perfect choice for those looking for a day-and-night autoflower! "* *References: GrowAce.com, 2fast4buds.com ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Setup: • AC Infinity 4x4 tent •AC Infinity Cloudline T6 Exhaust Fan w/ Controller 67 •HLG 650R w/UVA Bar *** For some reason GD does NOT have a listing for the USA version of the 650R so I selected the closest match to it. •AirCube Active Oxygen Ebb/Flow 6 pot System •TrolMaster Hydro-X Controller for light •AutoPilot APC8200 co2 controller fed by a 50# tank •16" Hurricane oscillating fan and 8" floor fan •Tent cooling via filtered outside air delivered by AC Infinity Cloudline T6 fan •BlueLab instruments: PH Pen and Truncheon Nutrient Meter ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Weekly Updates: 11/8- The first full week of flower is here for the FastBuds Strawberry Gorilla auto's and they are all looking fantastic! The feed schedule of six 15 minute feeds daily continues with a 900ppm nutrient level. The HLG 650R remains at 100% output, and is hung 30" from the canopy now as I had to raise it for some taller plants in the tent. 11/10- The Strawberry Gorilla's just hit the one week mark in their flowering and the #2 definitely has the most developed flowers of the three plants, with the #1 and #3's flowers about equal in development. I'm continuing to adjust the LST wires on all three plants to try and keep as much light penetration down into the centers of the plants which has been working well. I have also removed a shade leaf here and there when necessary. 11/12- Today I drained, cleaned the reservoir and distribution bucket, then refilled the reservoir with 90L of 70℉ well water to which Plagron nutrients were added to give a 900ppm concentration, then ph'd to 5.8. All I am doing now in between drain/refills of the reservoir is adding straight water to maintain the 90L level and checking the ph. Over the course of the 7 days in between reservoir changes the ppm's will slowly drop, but will still be adequate, never dropping below 750ppm's. The plants are really doing well in this AirCube system and I'm slowly getting a better handle on its 'in's & out's'. I did also check the ppm's of the return solution to see if there was a wide variance from what was going in, and all was good with only a 50-100ppm difference. 11/14- There goes a full week of flower for the FastBuds Strawberry Gorilla's! They all should really get going in the next couple of weeks and I can't wait to see their progression through flower! 💚 Thank you for checking out my passion in life! Please visit as often as you wish and I hope you enjoy this journey as much as I know I will! Grow what you love, Love what you grow!💚

Looks like a lot of top sights. Afraid stretching too much. Hopefully it fills in.

Flower18, riego con 6.2 pH y EC 2.2, pequeña defoliación. Flower22, riego con 6.5 pH y 3.0 EC. Hoy las plantas me han sorprendido, están creciendo mucho sus flores, se están viendo muy llenas. Me preocupa que por el espacio muy justo, puedan generar hongos, tendré que colocar tutores para separar un poco las ramas y mejorar la ventilación poniendo 1 o 2 ventiladores extra, quizás darle más potencia al extractor también. A parte de eso van súper bien 😁

Semana del 12 al 18 de abril Cada día más bonitas. Estoy feliz porque como hay menos humedad ambiental, hay menos humedad en el indoor. Incluso llegando a 43% de humedad, así que me confirmo. La temperatura suele andar por 24-26 grados Celsius así que bien. Tenía unas 10 hojas dañadas por la mosca negra, así que el 12 de abril apliqué el insecticida tec fort (foto del producto en la semana anterior). Lo apliqué a las 17:00 hrs y a las 22:30 del mismo día no vi ningún bicho. Dentro de 5-6 días volveré a aplicarlo igualmente (1ml por cada litro). Al menos dos de las cuatro plantas están tomando otro color, así que me conformo.

Couldn't be happier with how this Cap Junky is turning out - super citrus terps.

Start of week 6 of flowering for 4 Getting really frosty !!! Coming to and end of week 6 of flowering Tangie ,gg4,sweet creme and glueberry all.started.to.get flushed!!! Exciting.for.chop . The hazes are all looking amazing . Forgotten cookies is amazing =). Just added grapey walter and douple grape. =)

On day 15, I defoliated the girls. The girls are growing up like crazy, they have already doubled their height. Everything is going well, I'll probably have to do supercroping in the following days ...

Hello friends and followers, Welcome to my weekly update. 3/3-9 This has been a good week for learning. 1) Autos do not tolerate high stress training. Don't do it unless you are sure of yourself. I topped too late. This reduces yield, stresses the plant and delays harvest by a week. 2) Too much of a good thing is not good. My Teapot gal has a copper excess (I believe) and unless I take her out of the copper pot, she will continue to be stunted. Everyone needs a bonsai in their garden, so I'm going to grow her out. 3) Know your plants. Other than Zkittles, my grows have been a 4 plant variety using only 1 seed per strain. Without a comparison, you don't know what to expect. I have looked at other gromies gardens for appearance, size etc. Everyone grows differently with their multitude of nutes and high-tech equipment that it's fair to say that I have to base any improvements in my grow only on what I have done in the past. Let the stacking begin; we are off and growing buds. RQS says harvest 70-75 days or 40-45 days of flower. My calculations – harvest of T3 will be April 13-18 and T2 15th-20. Based on the size of my gals, and the number of bud sights, I’m only estimating an ounce between both plants. This is one time I hope I’m wrong. For these Titans, I water 1- 2 liters every other day. Most of T2s (teapot gal) water (1ltr) runs thru to the bottom catchment. I leave it on the towel to keep humidity around the pot. T2 grew .5 inches and now shines brightly at 3 inches, T3 is 7. I topped my T3 last week after she started flower. Big Mistake. Autos can be HST only in week 2 and never in flower. If you remember my week 2 stats, neither girl was over .5 inches tall and only T3 had the second set of true leaves. There wasn’t any growth to even begin training. Know your plant. Here I should have chsnged.my grow plan and.not done any training besides defoliation. T3 in the 3-gallon air pot is larger at 7 inches now. I did a bit more lst on T3 tying branches down. The leave branches are at the most an inch long with most smashed up against the main stem. I also put a separator between the top 2 buds to give a bit of space. The stem on T3 is thick for being so small. A solid ¼ inch. If this gal was growing to her estimated height of 60cm, the main stem would be over an inch, like my Apollo grow. I will say for sure the RQS F1s are strong and sturdy. With T2’s stretches her tippy top is just peeking above the copper pot rim. She is towering at 3 inches. I keep supplementing and foliar spraying with Cal-mag but the internodal chlorosis is still visible. Despite separating the copper pot from the soil with coco liner and coffee filters, I think Teapot gal (T2) has a copper deficiency. ✅️ Slowed Growth, ✅️ Fewer branches ✅️ Internodal Chlorosis ✅️ Stumpy roots (I won’t see this until I harvest and reveal the root ball). I'll show pics at that time like I have with my other diaries. Given these RQS Titan are F1 hybrids and should be stable, I believe the height and the health differences are attributable to the copper wire teapot. They are in the same soil, same tent environment, same nutrient solution, same light, same everything except the growing container. As I stated in previous discourse, I expected the overall plant to be smaller than T3 simply based on the pot size but did not expect to see such size differences so early, not to mention the nutrient issues. Thanks for the likes and comments, I appreciate all the plant love💚. Have fun & love what you grow 💚 Sending love and light 💫 💫Natrona 💫 **************Sponsored Grow*************** Royal Queen Seeds is the first to off genuine F1 cannabis seeds. F1 hybrids are the future of cannabis genetics, offering unrivalled stability, vigor, and yields. They have eight (8) F1 hybrid strains including a CBD. 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Dia 1: Se rellenó la maceta con un poco de GrowMix de Plagron y baje la lámpara a 50cm, se ve muy bien crece rápido aproximadamente 13 cm, pero hay que tomar encuentra que rellene la maceta! Día 2: Creció unos cm más mide 14 cm se ve que crece las manchas aun las tiene no sé que deficiencia tiene o exceso. Presumo que es exceso de calcio. Día 3: hoy pienso alimentarla el agua embotellada tiene un EC=0,370 µs/cm, PH= 7,36. Le coloco un poco de terra grow que es rico en nitrógeno para ver si corrijo la deficiencia que veo, llevo el EC= 0,9 y el PH= 6,5. Día 4: Asímela los alimentos muy bien, tiene aproximadamente 22 cm, aún le noto las hojas manchadas. Esperemos a ver como reacciona con su alimento. Si no tiene mejoras hago lavado de raíces y empiezo a fertilizar nuevamente. Tiene una temperatura entre los 22-24 °c, Humedad de 45%. Día 5: Sé ha pegado un estirón brutal con 25 cm, haciéndole honor a su sepa con sativa predominante esta xxl de Dutch Passion va genial. Aún no mejora las pequeñas machas. Día 6: Creció bastante se estira mucho, aún no sé si es un problema o es por su genética, ya que dicen si una planta se estira demasiado sea por distintos factores la cosecha desmejora. Tiene unos 29 cm. En las puntas de la las hojas nuevas noto una quemadura leve en las puntas no sé si es una quemadura por nutrientes o es por la luz. Decido alejar la luz un poco más para retomar de nuevo sus 50 cm. Día 7: 36 cm esta belleza ya tiene sus primeros pistilos eso me dice que su floración ha empezado. El día martes empiezo con su alimentación de floración o su lavado de raíces para corregir los errores. ¿Aum no lo sé que dicen? Que me pueden recomendar? Pienso en realizar un scrog o dejarla ser libre y ver como crece. Le compraré un Cal-Mag y veremos que no depara esta belleza. Nota: Cualquier Sugerencia de Growers experimentados se los agradecería!!!! ¡Y buena siembra para todos!!!!!!!💪👽

Week 3 flowering. Buds are slowly forming, plants still going good, cold weather is hitting my area now, hope it won't last long, might extend flowering period by a couple days if it stays this cold.

This girl is thriving and growing packing some weight on! Loving her development.

💐Hola de nuevo amigo! 💐 Una semana especial,⛈️☔🌫️🌧️ con días de lluvia constante y alta humedad, donde siempre pongo mis plantas su última semana estaba fresco y ventilado, con luz de media sombra de sol. Así creo realzar los terpenos ya que no hay dirección de luz azotando los tricomas, a ellas les basta para seguir trabajando bien. Los últimos días usé dos tubos UV durante 15 minutos por la mañana y antes de la oscuridad para evitar problemas con los hongos debido a los días nublados y húmedos. De repente el clima se despejó y vinieron días muy secos con humedad relativa cerca de 35%. Ideal para hacer el corte final! Ahora ellas cuelgan en mi pequeña caja donde seco mis cogollos al 60% de humedad y 18 grados. Un saludo grande para todos y éxitos, que siempre haya un momento para aprender algo nuevo y un brillo de creatividad en sus proyectos. IRIE

No training, just hope for them to deliver. Day 57 . All is good, small doubts about FD3 but she has to make it or bin it ... Future looks brighter, other girls form some buds and 50 g is looking achievable at least on couple of them ;) Future will show ;)) N went down as feed chart, still no huge hopes from them.... Some leaves look hungry, couple redish stemps with mini Mag def on FD and thats all for now.... Day 58 Morning. Girls starts to love it 4 sure. Droped down temp by 2 degrees from 28 to 26, they liked it even more. Hope it will stop pistils going amber in begining of flower ... In the midle of the day all will get molasses and cal mag, leaves a bit too bright, hope molasses will boost bacterias and last bits of N will be used. Increasing level of Top-Max aswel. So feed looked like : Heavy feed Water with silica Water Water with molasses and CalMag At the end of the week they will get heavy feed again. Day 58 Evening. New attack system ;)) instead of 2-3-3 , girls regrouped into two heavy rows and now go like 2-2-2-2 ;)))) Girls are drinking really fast, still get only around 1.5 liters every second day. For auto i quess its ok. In couple hours afer feed they pray, so its a good sign always ... Day 60. Heavy feed day, they started to bulk up everyday, really nice to see them everytime. Day 61. They are bulking up. Thats all i have to say and i really really like it ;))) Day 63. End of week. Everything looks fine, just i really would want to defoliate them a bit, but dont want to stress at the same time. They look too sensi for me. All 3 FastDiesels started to show Mag def even on stemps, gave stronger cal mag water mix just for them. They need it often and a lot. Happy growing !

Gracias al equipo de Royal Queen Seeds, Marshydro, XpertNutrients y Trolmaster sin ellos esto no sería posible. 💐🍁Punch Pie: Un híbrido monstruoso con un 90% de dominancia índica, ocupa uno de los primeros puestos de la lista de favoritas de Kid Dynamite. La Punch Pie desciende de la Cherry Punch Pie de Tyson 2.0 y contiene la genética de dos índicas galardonadas: la Purple Punch y la Purple Kush. Punch Pie tu paladar se impregnará con ricas notas de pastel de frutos rojos, repostería caramelizada y tierra. Luego, pocos minutos después de la primera calada, sentirás todo el poder de este portento. La Punch Pie proporciona un combo 1-2 que se manifiesta justo en medio de los ojos y derrite todo el cuerpo, dejándote en un estado somnoliento, hambriento y apacible. Produce plantas compactas que alcanzan una altura de 80-110cm en interior y hasta 120-150cm en exterior. Tras 9 semanas de floración, esta señorita robusta crece con fuerza para soportar el peso de sus densas flores, y da cosechas de hasta 600g/m² en interior y 750g por planta en exterior bajo el sol. 💡TS-3000 + TS-1000: se usaran dos de las lámparas de la serie TS de Marshydro, para cubrir todas las necesidades de las plantas durante el ciclo de cultivo, uso las dos lámparas en floracion para llegar a toda la carpa de 1.50 x 1.50 x 1.80. https://marshydro.eu/products/mars-hydro-ts-3000-led-grow-light/ 🏠 : Marshydro 1.50 x 1.50 x 1.80, carpa 100% estanca con ventanas laterales para llegar a todos los lugares durante el grow https://marshydro.eu/products/diy-150x150x200cm-grow-tent-kit 🌬️💨 Marshydro 6inch + filtro carbon para evitar olores indeseables. https://marshydro.eu/products/ifresh-smart-6inch-filter-kits/ 💻 Trolmaster Tent-X TCS-1 como controlador de luz, optimiza tu cultivo con la última tecnología del mercado, desde donde puedes controlar todos los parametros. https://www.trolmaster.com/Products/Details/TCS- 📆 Semana 2: Fantástica semana, estan creciendo de una forma espectacular gracias a la ayuda de @marshydro, @xpertnutrients y @trolmaster. Se puede apreciar un tercer nudo aunque la aplicación de cola de caballo y el estar en una maceta pequeña ha influido en el tamaño de ella, se recupera muy rápido 😁. Potencia de la lámpara: 50%

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28.04.2024 Continue into week 9 Clean nutrient tank for the last time...This is last week of flowering for almost all girls. Electrical Conductivity (EC): 0.8 for this week.. Wedding Cheesecake: one girl finish this week, two others probably in middle of 10 week. Massive plants, tons of yelled. Creamy undertones, sticky buds. Love it! They starve whole grow, didn't have possibility for separate line just for them. Love odor and bud structure. Tropicana Cookies: Second phenotype will be harvested within couple off days. Insane plant, so frosty. It getting more colorful every day Purple Lemonade: First pheno is insane! Shape, size ,color, bud hardness, appearance, frostiness' all attributes to become photo model! Beautiful and high odor in the room! Lighting Parameters: PAR Map: Maximum PPFD is 800, minimum PPFD is 550. VPD: Ranges from -0.1-1.1 Daytime Temperature (DT): 23-24°C. Nighttime Temperature (NT): 19-20°C. Leaf Temperature: 21-22°C. Light Distance: 45-55 cm from the plants. CO2 Levels: 700+ ppm. HLG Scorpion Diablo: Set at 60%, positioned at a 45-55 cm distance. Girls drink less water, so for this week and till the end of flowering new misting timing's Daytime: ON for 50 seconds, followed by 30 minutes OFF. Nighttime: OFF for 50 seconds, followed by 45 minutes OFF. Nutrient Tank (NT): pH: Maintained between 5.80 and 6.00. Stable PH, small drifting up and downs EC: 0.87 Temperature: 19-21°C 01.05.2024 Cruse mode , observing girls, looking trichomes under phone microscope. Still have to wait. Purple Lemonade is almost ready all three girls. This is last week for them for sure. Second Tropicana Cookies will be harvested in day or two.. First and second Wedding Cheesecake are finishing this week. Third still need some time.. Almost all pistils still white, only clear with some milky trichomes Lighting Parameters: PAR Map: Maximum PPFD is 800, minimum PPFD is 550. VPD: Ranges from -0.1-1.1 Daytime Temperature (DT): 23-24°C. Nighttime Temperature (NT): 19-20°C. Leaf Temperature: 21-22°C. Light Distance: 45-55 cm from the plants. CO2 Levels: 700+ ppm. HLG Scorpion Diablo: Set at 60%, positioned at a 45-55 cm distance. Girls drink less water, so for this week and till the end of flowering new misting timing's Daytime: ON for 50 seconds, followed by 30 minutes OFF. Nighttime: OFF for 45 seconds, followed by 45 minutes OFF. Nutrient Tank (NT): pH: Maintained between 5.80 and 6.00. Stable PH, small drifting up and downs EC: 0.89 Temperature: 19-21°C 04.05.2024 EC start to raise slowly and PH is dropping . Low water consumption, girls finishing Tomorrow is harvest day for second Tropicana Cookies and all three Purple Lemonade. Last day off this week is going to be last day for Weeding Cheesecake also. Without AC unit I'm not able to additionally control temperatures.. For drying it will be little higher temps, but it is what it is.. Water keep cool for whole week, from 18c to 20c, This week watering routine is changed to 45s ON time and 45min Off time Every day perform one long misting cycle, 2min ON... Nutrient tank is top-up with pure RO water + Hypochlorous [email protected] 05.04.2024 Second harvest day.. Purple Lemonade all three girls, second Tropicana Cookies also is harvested. Lots off hard buds on this girls, frosty, fat, insanely hard buds. Odor in the room is fantastic 😋 Tomorrow on last day off week 9 , Wedding Cheesecake harvest, first Girl No.3 , then day after girl No.2. Third Weeding Cheesecake is wait for a couple off days or full week. This girl is so massive, its a pounder in yield I think!

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Plants looking good they have a light smell plant 1 is developing slower than plant two. Plant 2’s bud are very dense!!! Still a few weeks to go

Second week of flower. The girls are looking great. Day 10 - Realizing that I may have waited too long to flip to flower. Plants are over-hanging my table.

This strain has huge fat buds everywhere there was not one popcorn bud sooo i think this is a keeper