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Day 70 — Cruising right along with the grow. Can’t say enough about the Sensi Bloom. I will definitely be using it for the next grow. Both Veg and Bloom. Buds are really filling on the short LB. Getting fat and sticky. Smell is really nice as well. Remind me of the pot from the 70’s. I’m starting to stress a bit about when to harvest. I don’t have a magnifying glass strong enough to see the trichromes. Is there another telltale sign the plant is ready? I’m starting to see the red hairs so is that an indication flowering is winding down? I still think I have a couple weeks, but will be watching them closely. Thanks for reading.
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Day 44 - March 25, 2021 Started noticing a couple gnats in our house. It's been warm outside and they are starting to come out. Unfortunately saw some in the room as well and can only assume there are many more feeding on the ladies. Gave foliar spray using Bee Safe Organicide. Gave all the girls a thorough haircut today and worked on trying to get canopy under control. Vegatation was very thick. Doesn't look like deficency issue with F7 is spreading. Continuing to watch for any changes indicating the problem is still ongoing. Gave foliar spray (1:00AM): * Bee Safe Organicide Watering: 03:00AM-3:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 11:00AM-11:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 7:00PM-7:10PM ~0.33 gallons per pot Reservoir: * tested 10:45PM * 2.21 EC * 5.9 PH * 73.94F (with ambient temps being higher, res temp is higher as well) * ~13-gallons remaining before topping off * Added ~5-gallons (solution mixed 3/24) (11:00PM) * 2.16 EC (after topping off) * 5.9 pH (after topping off) * 73.40F (after topping off) * ~18-gallons remaining (after topping off) Lights: * Gavita LEDs On 20-hours (8:00AM - 4:00AM) ** 8:00AM Lights On (100%) ** 1:00AM-4:00AM (Reduced light intensity to 50% for foliar spray) * Gavita LEDs Off 4-hours (4:00AM - 8:00AM) * UV Bars Off 24-hours Air control: 69F-82F (80F AVG) (Lights On) 66F (Lights Off) 50%-65% (56% AVG) humidity (Lights On) 60%-70% RH (Lights Off) ~1181PPM CO2 (Lights On) ~690PPM CO2 (Lights Off) Day 45 - March 26, 2021 Didn't do much in the garden today. Tucked a couple branches under trellis netting and that's pretty much it. Hoping will have the trellis on each cage filled out by next weekend. Nutrient deficiency with F7 seems to be resolved. New growth not showing any issues. Found a dead gnat on a leaf. Bee Safe foliar spray seems to have done the trick. Continuing to keep close eye out for pests. Mixed of nutrient solution (11:00PM): ** 50-gallons RO water (0.06 EC) ** 10ML h2o2 per gallon ** 5ML Botanicare Cal-mag+ per gallon (0.54 EC after Cal-Mag) ** 0.5ML Mills Nutrients Vitalize per gallon ** 10ML Mills Nutrients Basis A & B per gallon ** 4ML Mills Nutrients Start-R per gallon ** 1.25ML pHup per gallon (bring PH from ~5.1 to 5.8) ** ~2.02 EC ** 5.8/5.9 pH Watering: 03:00AM-3:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 11:00AM-11:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 7:00PM-7:10PM ~0.33 gallons per pot Reservoir: * tested 11:30PM * 2.16 EC * 5.8/5.9 PH * 73.94F (with ambient temps being higher, res temp is higher as well) * ~10-gallons remaining * Didn't top off today Lights: * Gavita LEDs On 20-hours (8:00AM - 4:00AM) ** 8:00AM Lights On (100%) * Gavita LEDs Off 4-hours (4:00AM - 8:00AM) * UV Bars On 8-hours (12:00PM - 8:00PM) Air control: 69F-82F (81F AVG) (Lights On) 66F (Lights Off) 50%-65% (60% AVG) humidity (Lights On) 60%-70% RH (Lights Off) ~1268PPM CO2 (Lights On) ~620PPM CO2 (Lights Off) Day 46 - March 27, 2021 Did some more pruning to remove thick foliage and open up nodes. Continuing to tuck branches through trellis. Expect will be ready to go into flower in apprxomately a week. CO2 tank ran out and co2 levels dropped to 330PPM for the first couple of hours of lights on. Replaced tank at 10AM. Watering: 03:00AM-3:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 11:00AM-11:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 7:00PM-7:10PM ~0.33 gallons per pot Reservoir: * topped off with ~18-gallons * tested 9:30PM * 2.06 EC * 5.9 PH * 73.94F (with ambient temps being higher, res temp is higher as well) * ~20-gallons remaining Lights: * Gavita LEDs On 20-hours (8:00AM - 4:00AM) ** 8:00AM Lights On (100%) * Gavita LEDs Off 4-hours (4:00AM - 8:00AM) * UV Bars On 8-hours (12:00PM - 8:00PM) Air control: 69F-82F (80F AVG) (Lights On) 66F (Lights Off) 55%-70% (64% AVG) humidity (Lights On) 60%-70% RH (Lights Off) ~1397PPM CO2 (Lights On) ~330PPM CO2 (Lights Off) Day 47 - March 28, 2021 Didn't do much in the garden today. Deficiency issue on new growth is continuing to newest nodes on F7 and is starting to show in F6, F2, and F3 as well. Also noticed a few leaves with small tip of nutrient burn. Flushed F2, F3, F6, and F7 until runoff EC was equal to input. F1,F4, F5, and F8 look good but will flush those tomorrow as well just in case. Flushed with: * RO Water (starting EC 0.05) * 0.5ML Mills Nutrients Vitalize per gallon * 5ML Cal-Mag+ per gallon * pH 5.8 * EC 0.53 Watering: 03:00AM-3:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 11:00AM-11:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 7:00PM-7:10PM ~0.33 gallons per pot Reservoir: * tested 8:30PM * 2.06 EC * 5.9 PH * 74.48F * ~13-gallons remaining Lights: * Gavita LEDs On 20-hours (8:00AM - 4:00AM) ** 8:00AM Lights On (100%) * Gavita LEDs Off 4-hours (4:00AM - 8:00AM) * UV Bars On 8-hours (12:00PM - 8:00PM) Air control: 69F-82F (79F AVG) (Lights On) 66F (Lights Off) 55%-70% (65% AVG) humidity (Lights On) 60%-70% RH (Lights Off) ~1312PPM CO2 (Lights On) ~1292PPM CO2 (Lights Off) Day 48 - March 29, 2021 Flushed F1, F4, F5, and F8 until runoff EC was equal to input. Gave Foliar Spray Foliar Spray: * 1 Gallon RO Water (EC 0.08) * 10ML CalMag+ per Gallon * 0.5ML Mills Nutrients Vitalize per gallon * PH 6.0 * EC 1.19 Flush with: * RO Water (starting EC 0.05) * 0.5ML Mills Nutrients Vitalize per gallon * 5ML Cal-Mag+ per gallon * pH 5.8 * EC 0.54 Watering: 03:00AM-3:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 11:00AM-11:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 7:00PM-7:10PM ~0.33 gallons per pot Reservoir: * tested 8:30PM * 2.06 EC * 5.9 PH * 73.40F * Topped off to approximately 20-gallons Lights: * Gavita LEDs On 20-hours (8:00AM - 4:00AM) ** 8:00AM Lights On (100%) * Gavita LEDs Off 4-hours (4:00AM - 8:00AM) * UV Bars On 8-hours (12:00PM - 8:00PM) Air control: 69F-82F (78F AVG) (Lights On) 66F (Lights Off) 55%-70% (67% AVG) humidity (Lights On) 60%-70% RH (Lights Off) ~1301PPM CO2 (Lights On) ~1117PPM CO2 (Lights Off) [Goofed up on setting timer for UV bars and were on during dark period causing CO2 to stay on.] Day 49 - March 30, 2021 No work in the garden today. Gave Foliar Spray Foliar Spray: * 1 Gallon RO Water (EC 0.08) * 10ML CalMag+ per Gallon * 0.5ML Mills Nutrients Vitalize per gallon * PH 6.0 * EC 1.19 Watering: 03:00AM-3:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 11:00AM-11:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 7:00PM-7:10PM ~0.33 gallons per pot Reservoir: * tested 8:00PM * 2.05 EC * 5.9 PH * 73.76F * Topped off to approximately 20-gallons Lights: * Gavita LEDs On 20-hours (8:00AM - 4:00AM) ** 8:00AM Lights On (100%) * Gavita LEDs Off 4-hours (4:00AM - 8:00AM) * UV Bars On 8-hours (12:00PM - 8:00PM) Air control: 69F-82F (76F AVG) (Lights On) 66F (Lights Off) 55%-70% (70% AVG) humidity (Lights On) 60%-75% RH (Lights Off) ~1288PPM CO2 (Lights On) ~793PPM CO2 (Lights Off) Day 50 - March 31, 2021 Deficiency Issues: Still having issues with what looks like Zinc deficiency. Also found 4 of 5 fan leaves with Calcium deficiency over the last couple of days. Runoff is PH 5.8 and EC is 0.78. EC in runoff has been very low. I'm pretty confident it's not a PH issue at this point. Seems plants are rapidily soaking up the nutrients in the water. I also found 8 or 9 fan leaves with slight nutrient burn a few days ago. Nutrient burn seems to have tapered off and haven't noticed any spreading. Going to try adding an additional watering to the schedule to see what happens. I'm hesitant to mix stronger nutrients due to nutrient burn I started to see earlier this week. At the same time, need to figure out the cause of the nutrient deficiencies. I'm currently using the Light Feeding Schedule from Mills Nutrients (says "light", but is still 2.06 EC including 0.54 EC for water + CalMag) Need to switch to flower soon but need to figure out deficiency issues before the switch. Defoliation: * Removed quite a bit of fan leaves suffocating nodes. Girls are 10lbs lighter. Despite the nutrient issues, the girls have been filling out fast. Did a timelapse over the past couple days and can see significant growth in a short period. Gave Foliar Spray Foliar Spray: * 1 Gallon RO Water (EC 0.08) * 10ML CalMag+ per Gallon * 0.5ML Mills Nutrients Vitalize per gallon * PH 6.0 * EC 1.19 Watering: 03:00AM-3:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 11:00AM-11:10AM ~0.33 gallons per pot 8:00PM-8:10PM ~0.33 gallons per pot Reservoir: * tested 11:30PM * 2.06 EC * 5.9 PH * 73.40F * Topped off to approximately 20-gallons Lights: * Gavita LEDs On 18-hours (10:00AM - 4:00AM) ** 10:00AM Lights On (100%) ** 11:00AM Reduced intensity to 50% for foliar spray ** 12:00PM Increase intensity to 75% ** 1:00PM Increased intensity to 100% * Gavita LEDs Off 6-hours (4:00AM - 10:00AM) * UV Bars On 8-hours (12:00PM - 8:00PM) Air control: 69F-82F (77F AVG) (Lights On) 66F (Lights Off) 55%-70% (67% AVG) humidity (Lights On) 60%-75% RH (Lights Off) ~1574PPM CO2 (Lights On) ~880PPM CO2 (Lights Off)
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Buds keep growing bigger and compact, I haven't changed anything regarding the nutrients and kept it to every 3rd watering cycle. Not doing much, just keeping an eye on humidity levels but other than that I don't want to stress them at all so no leaves plucking for 2 weeks.
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01/27/2022 Got a couple stragglers in cups but working on getting more pots. I apologize for rough looking leaves on the plants, I've been spraying neem oil as a preventative, and to also boost immune responses I've been doing aspirin in water regime so leaves can get beaten up being scavenged for extra energy. (to fight a non existing threat) At least in my experiences. 02/02/2022 Potted up a Lemon OG into ? gallon self watering pot will top dress with Coast of Maine 5-2-4 and water in for first week or two, then to 12-12 for her
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I started to flush LSD-25 last week,its rdy to dry in few days. 1-2 week more for 3 other plants
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Mezza pianta di 7 é stata tagliata,era il suo momento,ora incomincieranno quasi tutte il flush,mentre la pianta gigante sta ancora molto indietro e rimane sotto fertilizzante per almeno altre 2 settimane.le piante hanno un odore fortissimo,e la formazione dei fiori risulta compatta nonostante gli internodi molto lunghi.Se vuoi parlare seguimi e vieni a trovarmi
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Woche: 03 Blüte 15-21 / 43-49 27.07-02.08 / Licht 100/50 VPD: 1,0 Höhe: 63cm PPFD: 768 DLI: 33,2 Temperatur Tag: 27,7 Temperatur Nacht: 23,8 Luftfeuchtigkeit: 62,4 Hatte die Woche bisl mit der Luftfeuchtigkeit zu kämpfen. Werd Anfang nächster Woche den Entfeuchter aufstellen. Ansonsten läuft alles ganz gut, war paar Tage weg und als ich wiederkam waren sie sehr sehr ausgetrocknet, nach 2 Liter Wasser und bisl warten war zum Glück alles wieder so wie es sein soll. An Blütetag 21 wurde gelollipoppt, diesmal nicht ganz so viel wie beim letzten Grow. Zusätzlich gab es am Blüte Tag 21 noch Bio Tabs Bio PK 5-8 8ml pro Pflanze verdünnt auf 1 Liter Wasser.
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In der fünften Blütewoche zeigt sich der Erfolg des Scroggens deutlich. Die Pflanze hat das Netz vollständig durchwachsen, und die Blüten verteilen sich gleichmäßig über die gesamte Fläche. Um die Stabilität der immer schwerer werdenden Blüten sicherzustellen, habe ich zusätzliche Netze aufgehängt. Außerdem habe ich die Beleuchtung von 400 Watt auf 720 Watt erhöht, um den Blüten noch mehr Energie zuzuführen und das Wachstum weiter zu fördern. Die Ergebnisse sind bereits sichtbar, mit dichten und kraftvollen Blütenständen, die sich vielversprechend entwickeln.
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### ANY ADVISE IS EXTREMELY APPRECIATED 1ST GROW AND AUTOS NORTHEN LIGHTS AND JACK HERER....thanks like i mentioned my 1st and im coming along ok in soil please all is welcomed thanks in advance 😀 i got little confused with adding all the journals to 1 diary but think I'm there now and have the hang of this for u guys to follow thanks and happy for any input and advice will these as autos take a growth spurt
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Thanks for the help everyone looking forward to future grows. Went way better than I imagined my first grow going.
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here we go here a lil vid of in the garden the 5x5 with our 4 photo periods we have 2 cindy 99 in 8lt pots 1 cindy in a 2.5lt pot along with there growmie orange 🍊 cream 🍦 also in 8 litre pot. these are all feed on nonw other than the best on the market thats @indica.nutrients @danindicanutrients some amazing line they have not ever disappointed and now with all the testimonials📝 rolling in from across the globe 🌍🗺️🌐🌍 its blowing up 🌋 in a good way growers across the planet are seeing 1st hand results and they are loving it. with a range of feed schedules to choose from with 1 part for soil that (MESSIAH ting going on 😏
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Flowering day 65 since time change to 12/12 Hey guys :-) . It is nearly time . Harvest next week :-) . Watering would be done twice this week with 1 l each (nutrients see table above) Otherwise it was checked and everything was cleaned. Have fun and stay healthy 💚🙏🏻 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼 You can buy this Nutrients at : https://greenbuzzliquids.com/en/shop/ With the discount code: Made_in_Germany you get a discount of 15% on all products from an order value of 100 euros. 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼 You can buy this strain at : Clearwater Seeds Water 💧 💧💧 Osmosis water mixed with normal water (24 hours stale that the chlorine evaporates) to 0.2 EC. Add Cal / Mag to 0.4 Ec Ph with Organic Ph - to 5.8 - 6.5 MadeInGermany
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🌱 : 💧 : 4l day 84, 4l day 86, 4l day 88 💡 : Dli: 45 mol/m²/d 🤔 :
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8/8 Rained all night. Still raining today and the forecast says it will continue throughout the day until midnight. It's come down heavy at times but for the most part it's a rain that plants like. Defoliated a couple leaves but nothing really needed it. Without a trellis or my tarps up the grow bags seem to dry out incredibly fast so I need to watch that. It's also "toughened" up the plant wants. I've seen them blowing straight sideways and they were fine. I do need to find that four lined plant bug and spray BT after the rain. Plants lovedcthe nutes. I might feed a little later today or tomorrow. I've got a few things to do but I'll keep this updated. Went over and defoliated ANYTHING that needed it and combed through every plant during a pause in the storm. Then I shook them all off and did a video. This is by far the healthiest crop I've grown! I think they can handle more nutes too so I'm going to up it next feed. Still seeing stptadoc chunks missing and random pillar damage. BT will handle it. It's just so minor I'm not even sure if it should be addressed that way. I've had pretty good luck just looking for them and picking them off. 8/9 Cannabis can grow an inch or two in a day and it definitely has been! The rain has finally stopped. I went and shook all my plants off. I'm going to check and see the last time I fed and try to get a feeding schedule created that won't cause lockout. That's been a problem in the past. I've defoliated a lot of leaves lately but EVERYTHING is looking amazing. Extremely healthy. I DO need to spray BT for the pillars and I need to move that one plant back. I keep forgetting to grab the little wheels I need to make a platform. There are other ways I could do it I guess. I'll keep this updated. No damage from the storm and I went through and defoliated before and after. Forgot to upload shit and now I'm back home with this shitty internet connection. I'm trying to upload this video but we'll see. It's at like 32%. I did a full workout and came back to find this at 77% lol. I need to remember to upload things when I'm not in the middle of the woods. UPDATE: Checked on things and did a video. Need to feed, apply bt and secure individual branches before flowering increases 8/10 LOOKS to be a beautiful day. Growbags are heavy as hell and wet on the bottom. I ALMOST fed today and I still might. The pp in the 10 seems to have leeched a lot of nutes. That and a giant blueberry cheese are the only places I'm seeing a deficiency and I want to keep it simply. I also need to put a trellis up apply BT. also if I'm going to move things around I've got to do it before I put up flowering supports. It's harder to move stuff when it's wet. I'll keep this updated. The girls look fantastic. UPDATE: Went and trellised two of my plants. I was going to feed today but decided to wait until the next time I water. I'm only seeing deficiencies on the phrple punch in the ten and the GIANT blueberry cheese that I watered the most. Bags were heavy as hell this morning but I bet I'll need to water tomorrow. We'll see. Hahaha wow. I'm trying to upload a video but even my tough as fuck plants might have some difficulty in torrential rains like this. Wow. That's all I can say. I'll either go check and shake them off tonight or if it keeps it up I'll wait until morning I guess. What a shit show 8/11 WOW. That's probably the hardest I've ever seen it rain. Got to the grow this morning and found NO damage. It's super sunny amd windy so the bags will probably dry out. I think it's suppised to rain again Sunday. I definitely haven't had to water that's for sure. Nothing was even bent over this morning. The blue cheese I didn't fim or top (I wanted to see gow it grew naturally) pop ka was bent down a little bit but not much considering the pounding it got. You can see on the videos. Since bags were saturated I didn't need to water before I fed. I fed 1.25 pints to every plant. I gave the fifty 2.5 pints and the purple punch in the 10 got closer to a pint. I want to start out slow with nutes as I'm nor seeing many deficiencies. I may fuck around today and put some more trellises up seeing this wind bur when flower comes I can just put my tarp up. I'll update as I go. UPDATE: WENT BACK OVER BECAUSE THE WIND WAS WHIPPING LIKE CRAZY AND TREES WERE DOWN. I SANITIZED ALL MY TRELLISING AND HORIZONTALLY TRELLISED TWO 10TH PLANETS IN FRONT AND VERYICAL TRELLISED THE THIRD. HORIZONTAL TRELLISED THE PURPL WE PUNCH IN THE 10 AND VERTICAL TRELLISED THE BLUE CHEESE IN THE 50 AND THE 10TH PLANET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CAGE. GLAD I GOT THIS DONE. NOW I JUST NEED TO SPRAY BT AND I'LL FEEL CAUGHT UP. 8/12 Got my supports up and ready now I've just got to find the time to give the girls an application of BT. I've done a pretty good job with manual removal thus far. Bags are over watered. It's Rained so hard and so often that the bags have stayed drenched. Luckily this ridiculous wind has been drying my grow bags out relatively fast. I'm hoping that will be the case today. They're starting to dry out but it's supposed to rain tonight and I think tomorrow. Bright and sunny right now. These are some resilient plants. They seemed to like the liquid kool bloom. I noticed (barely noticeable but I was looking for it) a SLIGHT color change at the very TIPS of a few leaves on a plant but not enough to consider it burn. I will monitor but I think ive got a pretty good feeding regimen. I plan to use as little as I can get away with. I'll keep this updated. UPDATE: WENT TO CHECK ON PLANTS AS I GOT "THAT FEELING". EVERYTHING WAS LOOKING GREAT BUT THEN I WENT AND LIFTED MY DRY 22GALS OF SOIL AND COMPATED IT TO MY 20S AND LIKE I THOUGHT THE WIND HAD DRIED THEM OUT. I CANT BELIEVE HOW QUICK THEY DRY OUT. I GAVE EVERYTHING 1.5 GALLONS AT LEAST EXCEPT FOR THE 10 WHICH I GAVE A LITTLE LESS THAN A GALLON. I GAVE THE 50 A LITTLE OVER 2 GALLONS AND I DISNT NOTICE RUNOFF. I HAD MORE WATER MIXED UP IM THINKING I SHOULDVE GIVEN IT ANOTHER GALLON. OH WELL ITS SUPPISED TO RAIN A LITTLE TONIGHT AND THEN TOMORROW. I HAVEN'T WAYERED IN LIKE A WEEK SO I PROBABLY SHOULD'VE GIVEN THE WHOLE 2 GALLONS. THEY GOT DAMN CLOSE THOUGH. 8/13 Rained like hell last night. Oh course it did. Doesn't really matter though. I had to water. I thibk the last time "I" watered was lime a week ago. My bags were dry. Plants weren't drooping and they might've been ok but I've under-watered twice already to the point they drooped right over dead looking and I wasn't going to do that again. Plants seem to love the nutes I gave. Keeping the tarps off and allowing the wind through and having my bags on pallets has really saved me this year. Everyone else is bitching about the rain and lack of sun but things are going great for me knock on wood. I'm not 'in the ground' though so that probably has something to do with it. I just need to check my plants multiple times a day. These plants are getting massive. The cage is at least 8ft tall and the biggest one is about to the top now. Almost as wide too. 8/14 I forgot to write the entry but I uploaded some pics from this morning. They were wet from the storm but I went back over and took video that's like two and a half minutes plus I took some pictures. I pulled the cage out but I need to undue one of the lathes and pull it forward. I also need to apply BT. Plants seem to be aggressively flowering (some more than others) so it's a real exciting time. I went over this afternoon and everything looked fantastic. I'll try to upload a few pictures but the video will have to wait. Didn't rain today and my bags sry out quick so I'm sure they'll be fine even if it rains. I did notice that the two plants I watered most including the smallest container seem lighter in color. IT might hust be the transition to flower but u think I need to increase feed. On the 10th planet's they are green as can be and have that SLIGHT little almost unnoticeable part you really have to look for on the tips that means it's getting its nutes but it's not burnt. I believe I'm going to have to make feeding schedules for each strain
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250ml c/u 0.5 Micorizas @colectivo 1ml Calmag @biobizz 1ml Bio Grow 1ml Bio Heaven Riego día 21 250ml c/u 1ml calmag
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Good afternoon gromies 😄 😇 😊 Week 9 was absolutely crazy. All my girls start to achieve an about high. Gelato had to be renamed to "Uber-lato". Answer is on the photos and movies 😅 I never ever have/had to deal with so huge plant, she surprised me and coals bending had a place to expose them for light. They grow over a LED canopy 😅 😅 😅 At least high of 170cm is not a joke, can be even a little bit more but after bending procedures is hard to give a precise measure 😶 She is a monster 😇 😇 Have a good night, You Lovely Girls Growers 😇 😄 😉
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This first set of stretch impressed me with nearly 3” per day however the stretch was short lived as shown in up coming bits it’s unknown if it slowed due to strain issues or my error most likely mine as both strains slowed
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Wow wow wow !!! Insane aromas from both. Huge buds are stacking up nicely- a real pleasure to watch them both grow. The Cali is a lot taller than the grapefruit but for what the grapefruit lacks in size she makes up for in buds. It means I have to elevate her up to the same level or there abouts.