Started LST on the taller of the two plants using the new clips I got from Engineered Essentials (https://engineeredessentials.com/collections/plant-trainers-for-low-stress-training/products/adjustable-plant-trainer-10-pack?fbclid=IwAR0_JkIPYbPCR4MU9E1nL1WFg57Ni_1BoHzEEUEQSItY8mQt1VZW5S2ZvLc). They are inexpensive and work really well. I'll let you all know how they work over time. Very easy to attach and much easier than tying them down with string or pipe cleaners.