And off we went. First week should be uneventful. It mostly was. She had a tiny bit of nute burn during the week, which I think happened as a result of early feeding, I started feeding her almost immediately instead of waiting 24 hours after cotyledons were complete and pointing up. She didn't like that, I guess. But it was almost an unnoticeable problem and things progressed just fine.
Okay, so let's discuss some goals for this 2nd grow.
Well, they were naturally born from what I didn't like about my first grow. Many of you have congratulated me for the "success" of my 1st grow. I even won Newbie of the Month 9/21. Thanks to all of you. No doubt it was a high-yielding grow, especially for its circumstances (4.2 non-larf ounces from a 2 gallon grow in a 2x2x3 tent with a 100w flowering lamp). But bud quality was a bit off, Not getting into those details here. You can read what I thought about those buds in my last diary.
But I will tell you what I thought caused the bad bud quality.
GOAL 1: IMPROVE BUD QUALITY BY REDUCING HEAT/LIGHT STRESS:
Heat stress was the main culprit. You saw me mention light stress in the last diary, but I've had to humbly accept since then that heat stress was the most likely cause. She had clawing leaves all over. I went into denial about this with my 1st grow because I didn't want to stress out myself for several weeks, not knowing how bad a problem it could be as I had no prior experience. During the last grow, my temp/humidity sensor was placed in the shade under the canopy in the coolest corner of the tent. Talk about denial. If I hadn't gone into denial about the heat stress, though, I might have panicked or something. And since there was nothing I could do about the heat stress anyway, might as well allow for denial. What would you lose?
So for this grow, the sensor is at canopy level in what I think is the hottest corner of the tent - the corner furthest from the door - the corner where the main cola sits - the corner where the leaf burn and yellowing was first seen during the last grow. We're confronting the truth this time. We're entering fall/winter so managing my apartment's temp will be easier this time, which should also a positive effect on the tent.
I might try gradually reducing the light schedule during flower in order to reduce heat in the tent. I've seen YouTube videos of auto grows that the narrator claims was grown under 12/12 lighting and the buds are huge and beautiful. That makes sense to me. Why would an auto NEED 18 hrs when a photo only needs 12? It's different to say you CAN grow under 24 hr lights with an auto than it is to say you NEED so many hours. I think the Ruderalis thing is only that the photosensitivity is gone. But the plant's circadian rhythm is probably the same as a photo. My last auto grow showed a 12/12 circadian rhythm during early flower (leaves would droop / prop up at the exact same time every day -12 hrs apart) even though I was running 18/6.
That's how I got to these conclusions.
But the real cause of the heat stress was very simply the same thing we all loved about that plant - its size! It was simply too big for the tent. Not big enough to destroy the plant but too big for quality buds. Because the plant was 14 inches tall, the plant could only be 10 inches away from the lamp with the lamp all the way at the top of the tent.
That's too close to the lamp and too high up in the tent (heat rises so the higher you are in the tent.. you get it.) So....
GOAL #2: MAKE THE PLANT SMALLER/LOWER IN THE TENT
In order to achieve this goal, I went in with these strategies:
1) Install SCROG net lower than last time and use LST simultaneously to allow branches to stretch more horizontally than the last grow. (I'll talk about how this went in my discussion of weeks 3 thru 7.)
2) I would wait longer to install the flowering lamp than I did in my 1st grow. (I'll discuss this for weeks 5 and 6.)
3) Since she's a short strain, and because of the implementation of strategies 1 and 2 above, I decided NOT to top the plant, as I said I prolly would in the last diary.
And..
GOAL #3: DEFOLIATE OFTEN AND EARLY
I've developed the notion, possibly false, that defoliation is best handled by the plant earlier in its life than later. And since now I have some defoliation experience and favorite techniques, I see no point in not employing them as soon as I see the opportunity. Not sure if I'm right about this. And if worried that defoliation causes stunting, check out goal #2 above.
GOAL#4: ADJUST FLOWERING FEED SCHEDULE - LESS CALMAG, MORE PK
During the last grow, I lowered the PK part of the NER during flower from what was recommended on CocoforCannabis because I (mistakenly) thought that the leaf burn I was seeing was possibly caused by excessive PK since I was using Liquid KoolBloom.
I don't believe that anymore (see goal #1). So this time, I would at minimum be strictly following the CocoforCannabis recommendation to strongly increase PK with Liquid KoolBloom during weeks 9+. In addition, I will be reducing CALMAG levels in the NER during these weeks, because I suspect Calcium (and more specifically Calcium Phosphate) is the reason salt accumulated in my pot during flower last time - leading to high runoff ECs. Buds from last grow came out airy, somewhat grassy smelling and a bit harsh. Sure drying and curing techniques can cause this, but so can having a relatively nitrogen-heavy flowering period, according to a weed-growing podcast I once listened to. So increasing PK and PK uptake ability is key to a better overall quality bud, I hope.
GOAL #5: CONTINUE TO TEST THEORIES AND RECORD RESULTS
This is a goal of every grow I will do for the foreseeable future. Only by testing different techniques will I be able to see the truths about how this growing thing goes. Sure there's lots of advice out there, but much of contradicts itself. So I want to discover my own truths as revealed by my "successes" and "failures." So the point of this goal is basically to keep me humble and keep me from not get too focused on yields. This goal is just to remind me that the point of it is more about gaining even more knowledge and understanding about how to do this than it is about producing weed or great photos. So it's about not being afraid to tweak things in each grow if you are curious about what effects the tweak might have. Just keep learning and improving.
And finally, there are no yield goals for this grow. That was greatly achieved by the last grow. Clearly, I'm chasing proficiency in the art of making a great quality bud with this grow instead of achieving yield. If I succeed at a decent level, I'll combine both yield and quality goals into a happy medium next grow. That would be real exciting. One can hope.
Since I think most growers want to see pictures of big plants with big buds (I love them too!), I don't expect this diary to be as popular as the last one I did. That's ok.
But if you want to see if I succeed in achieving these goals, and more importantly, what lessons are learned along the way regardless of success, come for the ride if you like. I'd appreciate the company. 😉
Have a great grow day!
Are there any obvious reasons NOT to harvest this plant right now? Like, do you look at this picture and think, "No way, you shouldn't harvest that yet, because..." Whatever that reason is, if there is one, please tell me. Thanks so much.
Looking at just the picture there are no obvious reasons not to harvest. I always use a loupe to harvest. If you don't have a loupe and you think she is ready to harvest give the plant 4-5 days.
@Legendaryseedthumb, hey buddy! Thank you so much! Glad you like it. There's more to come! It's fun and nice to be back with a diary. Didn't pop one up sooner because I was deciding kinda big things about my life and just wasnt sure how this or any grow would fit in it. I at least know now things promise to be the same at least til the end of this grow... so I came back with a new one.
I've been testing some things during this one, and I am coming to at least one kinda exciting conclusion about growing a plant in my setup that you'll see when I discuss weeks 5 and/or 6. Can't wait to write about it.
Prolly in a few days.. Come back! 😀👍
Awesome grow! I did one resently (before I joined here) I had a bit less yield but I messed up on the PH with that grow. Still some super frosted buds!!
Hope you enjoy the smoke!!
@BudzyMcbudzerson,
The good thing about coco I suppose is that you get less volatility around the results. It's basically a sponge that holds nutes. So if your nutes schedule works, you shouldn't have to care about toxicities and deficiencies as much.
But...
You have to feed/water coco a ton! Twice a day for my 2 gallon pot. I hear you can do once a day with bigger pots, but still.. there's more work to do. But the benefit of this is that you are more frequently in front of the pot, so you get more chances to look after her and do whatever you have to do - LST, defoliation, tucking under trellis, etc.
If you do go to coco next, try cocoforcannabis.com. Great advice there. Feed schedule too!
Good luck!
@TinyTenter, Glad to hear its going well!!! I have a few of the clips on mine Its a love hate thing. I broke a Zkittle branch once with one. I was so devastated! But when they work good, they work great. I have moved to Velcro ties like you said. Using binder clips and the lower branches i can just Velcro to the felt pots. And with the Velcro its reusable which is big for me. i may have done 5 or 6 grows before starting on here, and hated chucking the ties ( bit of a hippy when it comes to waste if I can)
I totally get being busy. I tried so hard to get a pic everyday but seems lately I've been swamped. and even replying is tough sometimes, I've considered doing the late grow / harvest pic dump. I Maybe ill do weekly since daily is near impossible lately haha!
Ill be interested to see how it turns out! It is a bit of time and planning I totally get that! Its nice to see how others grow, from beginners to experts. Gives me an idea how mine are doing in comparison. The breeders tend to give you best case scenario. Ive been debating moving to coco from soil. Fox Farms soil gets expensive lately haha! Well good luck and cannot wait to see the final product😁
@BudzyMcbudzerson, Hey, thanks! She's doing pretty good now. LST is well underway. I learned that I needed to officially retire the idea of the LST clip from my production. Maybe someday, when I'm growing big long sativas, those things will be useful. But for now, they are out of the rotation. If I had done it the "right" way, I would have just used velcro ties and garden wire to make hooks. You get more precise placement and control as long a you bend the wire the right way around the stems of the leaves - better on a small seedling. LST clips can work, but you have to be lucky to have the plant growing a certain way or the clips could do a little damage, or just fail to properly bend the girl over, which is thankfully all that happened in my case.
Thanks for following! I don't have a diary for this grow I'm talking about yet. I'm a busy guy, so I don't start the diary until like week 10 or 11 when the management of the plant is fairly easy and I have time to write.
But right now, the LST phase takes time and planning and I just don't have time to be going back and forth talking online about what is going on. I'm not even sure it's all that interesting to an experienced grower anyway, especially in coco (you follow the feed schedule that works and it just works). So I'll be out here with a new diary in like a month and a half most likely. Good luck with yours! I'll be watching!
@DrCicci,
Well.. I do wish you the best with your grow of this strain. She's a pretty girl, certainly.
Even though she was a smaller yield than my first and only other grow, I kinda have a crush on this grow instead. LOL. I like how she has a certain pastel like coloration to her. And the smell is great.
I'm doing a second grow of her now. It's a different grow this time. Weird 2nd node leaves. Branches aren't as flexible. Gotta be careful with LST cuz the branches can easily break. But I'll really know what I got here when I install the flowering stage lamp in a few days. I've noticed that that is when you really see how big she will grow. I don't know if I'm gonna start a diary for this grow yet, but I'm collecting data and pictures as if I will... So follow me if you want to see how this one is going. I'll prolly start one in about a month or so if it's going to happen.
Good luck with your grows!
@Benasquella, Thanks! Yeah, I got to try some a few months ago. I'm definitely a fan of the strain. I like limonene dominant strains, in general, but there's something special about Wedding Cake. Certainly.