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These 2 pheno's have grown the worst of the 4. It is also fair to note though that they are in 3gal pots where the bubba and AP are in 5 gal pots. I have had issues with making them happy with watering, but seem to be doing better now. They are beginning to stretch and add more flower buds. I will have to say this strain has been my least fav to grow so far. It is a lot more sensitive and finicky than my bubba kush or alaskan purple.