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Mr_Incognito Mr_Incognito
2 years ago
Day 43: Inflow EC 1.8 (900 ppm), pH 5.75. Still haven’t managed EC in the slab. Although the optimal EC is 1.8 (900 ppm) for now. Giving this EC results in stable runoff concentration and pH a bit rising (6.1). I have to keep runoff at 30-50% to get EC 0.9-1.0 (450-500 ppm) which makes me think she’s asking for EC 2.0 (1000 ppm) with 10-20 % runoff. Old leaves are showing small brown spots. That was predictable - early Ca deficiency due to constant underfeeding. My plan for the next few days is to raise EC in the slab till 1.6 (800 ppm) at least. I don’t even need to flush it before flipping to 12/12, since I keep runoff at a very high level and NPK was already adjusted for lower Nitrogen on week 3. High runoff percentage helps to keep algae at the bottom of the container under control. Adding 3 ml/l Hydrogen Peroxide to keep roots oxygenated in the darkness and keep some of that green stuff away from touching them. She is almost ready for flip. I saw first pre-flowers on top nodes. Today I’m going to install ScrOG net, and defoliate again right before the lights go off. Also I will try to bend the top a little bit. The canopy is not flat, but the lower shoots are not far behind the top. The top is receiving up to 45 DLI, while the first node is getting 20-22 DLI at about 30 cm distance from the top. That’s good. I will keep lower buds anyways, gonna preserve as much potential yield as possible, even few larfs. I want to go 12/12 not by switching it from 20/4 the next day after 4 hrs of darkness. I want to keep the midnight point the same. Then add per 4 hours in the “evening” and in the “morning”. Although a lot of growers claim there’s no difference in how you flip to 12/12, and in fact there’s a lot of “stoned science” behind those theories, I believe saving the midnight point is key for fast transition. Biological clock still work in plants and that’s not good to disrupt it. Last day of veg will be 16/8+4. That means the night will begin 4 hours earlier, and the first day after 12/12 flip will start 4 hours later. Day 44: ScrOG net is not ready yet, so I just defoliated and trimmed few shoots. Decided to make 8 clones from the cuttings. Never did that before. No cloning gel was available, so I just used Root Booster from T.A. in 5ml/l concentration (as they recommend for first roots seedlings/cuttings). They sit in tap water for 5 hours until I got prepared to put them in rockwool cubes. No signs of wilting/embolism. I presoaked the cubes in pH 5.5 and Root Booster for 3 hours. Then cut off a bit from the stem and split the lower 1cm in half to get more surface, and put into the cube. Cut some leaves in half. In the evening they look good, still no wilting leaves. Will move them into another box to let them grow a bit in veg, if they survive:) Having some issues with pH meter. Sometimes the readings are 0.1-0.15 points lower. Calibrating solution is old, not sure if I can trust it. Waiting for the fresh one to arrive. Good to have pH drops for back up. The plant responds very well to EC 1.85 (930 ppm). It’s just exploded after I started to raise it. Few days ago runoff EC was 0.8-0.9 (400-450 ppm), now it’s 1.1 (550 ppm). Inflow pH is 5.6-5.7, runoff is steady 6.2-6.4. Raising pH while dropping EC means the plant is still eating and asks for more. If I had pH drop in runoff, that would be a sign of too high EC. Hope to slow down root expansion in order to avoid root bound and any kind of issues caused by root damage. Will clean the surface underneath the container with peroxide. So good that I didn’t make holes throughout the bottom. Roots would go out like crazy. I just made 4 small holes in the corners. That is enough for complete runoff. The roots stay in container, just trying to go through the tiny hole, where they are eliminated with light and air. So it’s constant air pruning. If I could start from the very beginning, I would use black, non-transparent container. At least I would try harder to find it lol. In my case black-white plastic bag used for making the slab is the alternative. This weird setup turned into some kind of “hydroponic top feeding slab with elements of NFT”. Gonna maintain root health with extra fertigations and peroxide. Day 46: ScrOG net is ready. Need some clamps to attach it securely. Inflow EC 1.85 (920 ppm), pH 5.6. Runoff raised till EC 1.16 (580 ppm), not increasing anymore. pH 6.4. She’s asking for inflow EC 2.0 (1000 ppm) or for a little flush with EC 1.9 (950 ppm). Runoff EC target: 1.7-1.8 (850-900 ppm) at least. Some brown spots on old fan leaves. She recovered from last defoliation and started drinking water like crazy. About 50 ml/h. Also DLI is 45, close to maximum. Will increase CalMag up to 1.2 ml/l. Day 48: ScrOG net installed. Finally)) Inflow EC 2.0 (1000 ppm), pH 5.5 Runoff EC 1.3 (650 ppm), pH 6.2 Day 49: Massive defoliation before flowering, will give her another 3-4 days to recover. Maybe a bit of LST, when she gets a big taller. Maintaining inflow EC at 2.0-2.1 (1000-1050 ppm). Runoff stays at EC 1.3 (650 ppm), pH 6.2-6.1. That means I hope max EC will be 2.2 (1100 ppm), then I will probably not increase anymore. Only extra fertigations to reach desired EC 2.0 (1000 ppm) in the slab. Not going to decrease runoff percentage because it would affect healthy root growth beneath the slab. Expecting runoff EC increase today due to defoliation.
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Grow Questions
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognitostarted grow question 2 years ago
I know that some bumps are pretty normal for stem. One is between 5th and 6th node, 20 cm above the surface. It’s a bit dark which makes me worry. Another two are located higher. Can it be rot stem? Chances to survive? Fungicide needed? The plant doesn’t look sick at the moment.
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Sciolistic_Steveanswered grow question 2 years ago
https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/vegetables/tomato/white-growths-on-tomato-plants.htm i'd wager it;s similar to this. Are they hard little bumps? if tehy don't easily rub off (compared to adventitious roots), i'd wager it's not fungal or microbial cuases and moe likely just a little oddity in the plant... maybe high RH in these faily dark areas? any condensation at night? dark and moisture will cause roots to form... even if above ground. if it is clearly superfical and growig on the plant vs growing out of it, then take some h2o2 and rub it off. 3%, undiluted. satuate area.. might discolor it a bit but it will not kill the plant or limb. if they are hard nodules, i'd ignore them, though. fungus creates a mycelium network below surface.. so cleaning surface does not "clean" the plant of fungus. it's still there. you just can't see the parts that remain. this is why bud washing WPM-infected buds doesn't do what ppl think... bud washing can clear off stuff from surface, but will not rid the plant of an infection that involveds anything below the surface.
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NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubblecommentedweek 102 years ago
Excellent notes!
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognitocommented2 years ago
@NegotiatedBubble, Thank you! Will try my best to keep it updated well.
Tremojem
Tremojemcommentedweek 92 years ago
Hey Brother, just wanted to say that I took a look at your history of grows and see you started with fabric pots, then an Airpot, then to what is now the reason for my inquiry. What is your latest grow? I tried to enlarge your pics to decipher your methodology. Here is what I came up with. Please correct me and hey if you like, go ahead and share a high level summary of your growing methodology and reasoning for changing your approach. By the way, this is all good!!! I too am growing, learning, and see changes in my growing methodology future as well. Okay, back to my analysis. Looks like you have the following things going on. 1) Coco/Perlite Mix 2) Drip watering system 3) Runoff capturing system 4) Cover over top of Coco (not sure) The cover is confusing me as I can't determine what it is and used for. Maybe assist in moisture retention or pest control, but then it doesn't fit with drip, as it would restrict water from evenly distributing across the substrate. Anyway, love your progress and journey, please share your thoughts when responding. Thanks Brother
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognitocommented2 years ago
@Tremojem, you’re welcome 😉 Nice to meet someone with the same level of dedication to growing!
Tremojem
Tremojemcommented2 years ago
@@Mr_Incognito, I cannot thank you enough for the complete and concise response. Very good information there. It leads me down a path that includes more research for me. I am always trying to learn even if I have no intention on pursuing that or any path. All of the information is, in some small way, related and there are bits that overlap and that leads to more understanding of the BIG picture and helps in preparing for a better and more successful grow. I am truly interested in Coco, Hydro and Living Soil. But as you move into those three areas of growing methodology you invite more opportunities for errors unless you know what your doing. So it is best to take baby steps, research, discuss and learn, then step/repeat the aforementioned steps in an effort to prepare yourself for the journey with intent on success. But if growing in soil has any benefit, it is that it sparks your interest in always improving and doing better. Thank you again, and I will be following you. I cannot wait to start a drip system as it has been forward in my thoughts for some time along with Autopot. Good on you for knowing what a drip rate is. I have interest in a drip system that utilizes gravity for feed and switching timers for cycling. Multiple cycles at the rate I choose. Love this stuff. Be healthy and happy Brother.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognitocommented2 years ago
@Tremojem, thanks for asking :) I started my first diary with quick auto, soil and pH perfect nutes because I was very short on time. Also I wanted to restore some of my knowledge and experience from the past. Just to get some yield of good looking buds, no matter what is the strain. It was a magical experience, so many busy days and nights, and extreme challenge with security. Luckily all went perfect, and the buds were amazing despite of the claimed low-level THC. Excellent smoke. Then I got a possibility to make another grow where I chose to go 4 plants at once. I couldn't find fabric pots, that's why I chose airpots. They were good, although I had difficulties with focusing well on the growing process. My latest grow is Coco/Perlite 60/40. This time I wanted to go hydroponics in rockwool as I did long time ago. Unfortunately horticultural slabs were not available and the only option left for me to go pure hydro was coco. So: 1) Coco/Perlite Mix 60/40 % 2) Drip watering system. First I started with Arduino-based irrigation system with a cheap pump from Aliexpress and solid state relay. It worked well until the pump died unexpectedly (hahaha). I was struggling with the same model replacement one, but luckily I got Kamoer X1, and I'm really happy with it. 3) I collect runoff in the plastic container. Was trying hard to collect it almost every watering to react quicly if something goes wrong. Last week I changed my mind, just to have some rest. I made a DIY Coco slab, that is often used in commercial grows. The cover is used to retain water, the same as with rockwool. Such porous substrates are drying out too fast. I really don't like salt buildup in any kind of substrate. Less or none flushing needed during the whole grow in this case. The cover helps to keep coco/perlite mix evenly moist. The tubes end with small T-shape splitters and are lying on the substrate, just touching it. There's no issue with water distribution in coco with low speed flow. To help water distribute even better I intentially reduced the number and the size of drainage holes. They are made right in the corners of the container at 45 degrees angle, just 4-5 mm diameter. The solution retains longer and runoff is pretty slow. That helps to wash out any salt build up. Fast drainage would be less effective. With 48 ml/min flow rate it works even better, but probably there is higher loss of water during runoff collecting because of evaporation. I put the slab on the set of tube pieces to position the center of the slab a bit higher than sides. The same method is often used with rockwool in horticulture, but there special W-shape trays are used for that. I surely miscalculated few things like the volume of the substrate. I'm using just 8 litres of mix. Didn't expect to stay in Veg for so long, but now I'm very happy that I let her grow for so long. I spent a lot of time trying to catch the ideal spot between inflow and runoff. Was underfeeding her for long. Reduced Nitrogen levels from week 2 of Veg, because it seemed to me that I noticed some toxicity signs. Later I discovered lots of sediment in the Grow component. Probably it made NPK ratio wrong from the very beginning. Well, even with less N she performed really well in Veg. Now she's in perfect spot. Inflow is a little bit higher than runoff, and the gap is reducing. Runoff percentage is 12-15 % at the moment. WIll increase when runoff EC goes higher than inflow. Before that I will just play with inflow EC. She's a heavy feeder with pure Indica appetite :) She handles EC 2.3 easily and drinks more and more as the stretching continues. Probably she will hit 4 litres per day soon in 24-25 degrees and 55% relative humidity (VPD 1.31-1.39). I use a lot of hydrogen peroxide to treat algae near the drainage holes. A bit worried about the taste in the future, but not much :) Will flush it one week before harvest.
Maryjane23
Maryjane23commentedweek 122 years ago
Niente male!!!! Si stanno formando dei bei fiorellini
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognitocommented2 years ago
@Maryjane23, thank you! Hopefully will get to the finish with no issues🤞
Tremojem
Tremojemcommentedweek 92 years ago
Dude, I love your grow and the spreadsheet is fucking killer. I have to now incorporate that into my methodology. I made spreadsheets to capture all of my data. But now its time to put the data into a tool that provides useful information that results in real progress. Its a journey for sure and its easy to miss things on the fly. But using accurate data can really step it up for newbies. I imagine any longtime successful grower would laugh at me for my excitement over data, but they would be in a different league than I, having many years and grows behind them. I am only on grow 4...LOL!!!
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognitocommented2 years ago
@Tremojem, Thanks dude! Data processing really helps me to understand and witness the progress since I have some scientific background. I'm keen on visualizing data. Surely some growers will say it's nonesence. I don't mind :) My goal is to make the process fully visible, tracking all important factors that have impact on the grow. Helping someone else to understand plant's behaviour and lifecycle makes me happy. I would love to contribute to the growing society and help people to see what's hidden behind the scene. Lots of important things are often missed, and as a result people (including me) sometimes read plants wrong way, thus making wrong decisions.
Cannapopz
Cannapopzcommentedweek 62 years ago
Looks Amazing Bro 👍🏼👍🏼
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognitocommented2 years ago
@Cannapopz, thank you 😊
Growtroll
Growtrollcommentedweek 12 years ago
Good luck with grow mate!😀 Wish you a strong grow with heavy yields!💪💪
love_2_grow
love_2_growcommentedweek 02 years ago
Happy Growing, Buddy! 🌱🌱🌱
ObserverInterest
ObserverInterestcommentedweek 156 months ago
Hi. Your grow is amazing they look super FAT! I am growing the same strain maybe 2 weeks from harvest and they not nearly as fat - been using the full nutrient schedule of Biobizz and got a better light - Mars Hydro FC3000. What do you think the secret is with this one?? I am new so still learning?