wellhairy First time growing in a tent and I've got no clue what this strains gonna be like but well worth a try. Gonna start low stress training as soon as the first leaves appear and go from there.
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Week 1. Vegetation
3y ago
1/8
2.5 cm
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19 hrs
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17 °C
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20 °C
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wellhairy Some have come up quicker than others and one of my seedlings got light burn from poor watering practices but I think it'll be alright.
I've started low stress training on three of the plants that have this first leaves showing. I'll be keeping these as low as possible using wire hooked over and pushed into the ground until I see the first stages of flowering. This will hopefully promote new growth along the main stem.
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Week 2. Vegetation
3y ago
1/14
2.5 cm
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20 °C
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75 %
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20 °C
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20 °C
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wellhairy It's all going pretty well. There some light burn on one of the plants. Another is a little stunted. But in general everyone looking pretty good for week three
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Week 3. Vegetation
3y ago
1/9
3 cm
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16 hrs
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20 °C
Day Air Temp
6.8
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No Smell
Smell
52 %
Air Humidity
21 °C
Solution Temp
19 °C
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8 liters
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0.4 liters
Watering Volume
50 cm
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Nutrients 1
Tomato feed
1.5 mll
wellhairy Starting this week with a little calcium or magnesium deficiency so I've pH balanced the water, not something I usually bother doing this early on and added and some cal mag.
Everything's looking fine but a couple of them do look a little stunted. They still look like they've grown a fair amount this last week. With a bit of luck and consistency in going for some big plants. Probably gonna install the drip system this week to just automate the watering schedule and that will be a bit of trial and error.
wellhairy My gal in the top right seems to be doing the best but I think all the plants I started with lst from early veg are doing way better than the two I started training later. The four I started training early seem to all have 4 main branches and there might be time for one or two more to poke out.
Think I might need to start thinking about defoliating and ill give that a Google later so I've got a more up to date idea of what I'm doing as it's been a while.
I've got some fly's 🐜, that don't seem to be a huge issue right now but I think I need tov deal with it. They probably live in the most soil so I recon I can probably just treat it with some diluted alcohol and fair perhaps.
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Week 6. Flowering
3y ago
1/12
8 cm
Height
16 hrs
Light Schedule
20 °C
Day Air Temp
6.6
pH
No Smell
Smell
60 %
Air Humidity
21 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
8 liters
Pot Size
0.7 liters
Watering Volume
50 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 3
Tomato feed
1.5 mll
CANNA Terra Flores
1 mll
Cal Mag
0.25 mll
wellhairy Started to notice the start of flower mid week at a similar time I also started noticing issues with some of the plants. I can't really say what's causing these issues, everything was looking really good until a couple of days ago.
A couple of thoughts. This looks a ph imbalance but I've checked the pH and it's in the 6-7 zone sitting around 6.6. I changed the nutrient solution at the start of flower so it could be some kind of shock but I think I started seeing these symptoms prior to that change on the top left plant.
I saw spider mites on the fig tree that I've since removed. I treated it and my plants with a solution of alcohol, washing up liquid and water. Part of me thinks that the solution could have been well off. The fig didn't look all that great anyway but one of the leaves has similar symptoms so I wonder if this could be chemical burn or even light burn where the leaves didn't dry enough before the lights came on?
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Week 7. Flowering
3y ago
1/15
8 cm
Height
16 hrs
Light Schedule
20 °C
Day Air Temp
6.6
pH
No Smell
Smell
60 %
Air Humidity
21 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
8 liters
Pot Size
0.7 liters
Watering Volume
50 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 3
Tomato feed
1.5 mll
CANNA Terra Flores
1 mll
Cal Mag
0.25 mll
wellhairy Everything's in full recovery after last week's chemical burn. Some of the leaves still look a little sketchy but they'll come off as i defoliate.
It looks like I've got between 5 and 9 bud sites per plant and probably around another week of stretch. I'd like a bit more height so here's hoping.
I don't know what I'm gonna do about the humidity. I've got a dehumidifier but it's not touching it, I'll throw up an extractor fan this week and see if that does much to help.
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Week 8. Flowering
3y ago
1/16
8 cm
Height
16 hrs
Light Schedule
20 °C
Day Air Temp
6.6
pH
No Smell
Smell
60 %
Air Humidity
21 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
8 liters
Pot Size
0.7 liters
Watering Volume
50 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 3
Tomato feed
1 mll
CANNA Terra Flores
1 mll
CANNA PK 13/14
1 mll
wellhairy Three weeks into flower. My plants are maybe looking a little smaller than I'd have expected but I can count teen or eleven good bud sites.
I've pruned and defoliated and most of the leaves have been yeeted. Maybe a little heart wrenching tbh and I'm still not if I went a little hard at a couple of the plants but hey ho... I'm sure it'll be fine 😅
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Lollipoping
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Week 9. Flowering
3y ago
1/8
8 cm
Height
16 hrs
Light Schedule
20 °C
Day Air Temp
6.6
pH
No Smell
Smell
60 %
Air Humidity
21 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
8 liters
Pot Size
0.7 liters
Watering Volume
50 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 3
Tomato feed
1 mll
CANNA Terra Flores
1 mll
CANNA PK 13/14
1 mll
wellhairy Week 4 of flower looking strong. My plants have come up kinda small as I think I've mentioned in the past. I recon this is likely to do with the side of the pots and I'll be taking this into consideration next time.
Buds are fastening up nicely but I'm wondering if I should defoliate again it if that's even advised. It'll be something I'll do as little research on late tonight
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Week 10. Flowering
3y ago
1/17
8 cm
Height
16 hrs
Light Schedule
20 °C
Day Air Temp
6.6
pH
No Smell
Smell
60 %
Air Humidity
21 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
8 liters
Pot Size
0.7 liters
Watering Volume
50 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 3
Tomato feed
1 mll
CANNA Terra Flores
1 mll
CANNA PK 13/14
1 mll
wellhairy Week ten is looking good. There's a few photos of the three that are looking the healthiest. Next time more soil and bigger pots are in order! I should make a running list of the things that either didn't go to plan or that I could have just done better 🤪
That said I'm pretty happy with these guys and when I harvest I'll try and summarise some of those points.
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Week 11. Flowering
3y ago
1/9
50 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
22 °C
Day Air Temp
6.6
pH
No Smell
Smell
60 %
Air Humidity
21 °C
Solution Temp
20 °C
Night Air Temp
8 liters
Pot Size
0.7 liters
Watering Volume
50 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 1
Water
1 mll
wellhairy Everything's looking good. Some of the fan leaves have started to turn yellow. Over half the pistols are brown and everything's looking good for harvester. Starting the flush now and the next post should be the big chop
Five of the six plants turned out completely fine. One of them did someone really weird and never actually developed. I've got some great bits out the other end. So, this was probably something I did. I had some insect infestation best for what I think was on bit part to any issues I had.
The station looks great and smells amazing. I recon if grow this again.
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wellhairy Man these gals look so good. They're thick and that mint of people makes so much difference. I must admit I probably have them a bit of chemical burn at the start of flower. They bounced pretty well but maybe they would have been bigger. Still the bud looks so dam banging and the purple leaves looks so good
Personally I would not start laying them on there side for 3 - 4 weeks .the first 3-4 weeks are critical to root development on autos and make or break auto's future development
@Candog, thanks that's good advice. I was considering just doing this with half the grow and was wondering if this might be a little too soon. I'll keep going with the ones I've already pinned and leave the rest a few weeks as a little experiment. Cheers for the advice.
@wellhairy, I agree 100% with Candog.
Wait till you have at least 3 nodes before you do any LST.
What you are doing here is not opening any nodes to light to promote growth and you're pulling the 2 leaves at an angle to the light that they can't make use of it.
Those 2 tiny leaves are it's only solar panels to get energy, they need to be facing the light.
It is stressing the plant for no reason and only going to slow your start down without any real advantage.
You can still get it flat, just wait till she has some nodes and there is an actual advantage to tying her down.
@Shinsimilla, fair enough. I kinda think this'll be fine but I've not done it with all of them and I'll be interested to see what
difference it'll makes and what real world impact it'll have.
I've done similar lst training in the past and I'm not worried about the leave not getting light, the leaves will always face the direction of the light source and in this case they turned up towards the light in an hour or two.
I was hoping tying them down in this way will help promote the development of more nodes over time. This could be a little early but I think I'm going to do some reading in the meantime and tye the rest down sometime in 3 or 4.
At the very least it'll be good to see the final outcome. @Canadog & @Shinsimilla do you guys have any sources I could reference. I looked for info on this but couldn't really find anything specific about starting low stress training to early.
@wellhairy, I have seen people do this many times on here, it is not an experiment you need to do yourself too. It definitely has a negative impact on your plant.
I don't have any references about training too early, but if you watch a few videos on it, people only train branches with nodes, never seedlings.
What you are trying to achieve with training is to get a few nodes on the same level to promote the branches to grow. if you have no nodes, what are you magically trying to promote by stressing a seedling? You don't take a baby to lift weights and the same with plants. You are stressing it for no reason and it will not do as well as it could.
@Shinsimilla, fair enough but I've not really seen anything or taken note of anything in the past that's really suggested this is a problem. I appreciate the advice though and I'll be giving it a Google later anyway so I'll see what I find on lst in this early stage. There's a couple of YouTubers I follow as well so I might just watch a few videos while I work.
I think my bigger problem atm is bringing the temp up in an inexpensive way. Temp is sitting around 17 right now and I'm pretty certain that will have a big knock on effect.
@wellhairy, the reason you don't see anything on seedling training is because it isn't something anyone recommends on any training videos. You won't even find it in what not to do, because anyone that understands the point of training understands that training a seedling is not achieving anything desirable. Most videos have "Plant Training" in the title, that should be taken as a solid hint. :P
Good luck man, hope you find a video/info that convinces you not to do this. ;)
@Shinsimilla, Yeah well i appreciate what your saying but nearly every article i've seen say you can do this anytime in the veg stage, Ideally starting in the first 3 - 4 weeks. These are in the very early veg stage, they've germinated, they have their first true leaves. As I say I'll have a look into it but i'm more than happy to let this ride. I think I have more concerning issues I need to keep an eye on for the momment but thanks for your input.
only half o f them are tied down now. i'll do the rest in a couple of weeks for comparison so right or wrong I'll @ you when im in the final stages of flowering and if you're right you can say I told you so then ;)
@wellhairy, i think the shaping, would be a distraction at this early stage.
Instead of drilling roots, its trying to stand. And we are all watching cuz you’ve got the Balls to try it !!!!
Been there. Go for it Bro
“The most important stuff happens Underground”
Think about it
@wellhairy,just so you didn't misunderstand ,laying plants on the side does work great .I did it for over 4 years with great results ,I switched to photos and growing up right and topping and swhazzing .only on my second grow of upright plants ever
@Candog ,Ok fair enough. I have had better luck with photos to but that mainly because you can use much more high stress techniques. This means the grow time is generally longer but you do have more impressive looking plants at the in my oppinion.
As these are autos, In the past, I've had more success laying them out this way. This helps to promotes branching off the main stem so you dont have a single main cola. I've tried topping autos as I've read you can do it once early on but im my experiance its to much of a shock for the plant and styfuls growth. I'll probably go back to photos in the future to try out some high stress techniques
@wellhairy, the first weeks is root development time is the only point I was trying to make . not much happens above ground at this time .auto's are not weak baby ass plants everybody on here makes them out to be. I treat them the same as photos after they get going, i DO Not use less nutrients or light on auto's. But generally top them once after 8 node .topping plants is not as much stress as everybody makes it out to be on this site . I laugh and shake my head at some stupid shit poeple say on here
@Candog, Yeah I get that for sure. Autos are normally gonna produce a smaller yeild much faster. The thing about autos is they need a grower to be a bit more consistent than photos is all I'd say. There not worse than photos in anyway - it comes down to the grow. Personally I dont think i'll top any and if I do i'll still mostly be using LST to get the most out of them. But, if you recon topping can work, I might try topping them a couple at 8 when they get to 8 nodes like you've suggested and see what happens ;)
Best Wishes all the way through this grow!
I’ve never seen a seedling “handled” so early…
And I like it lol.
The only negative thing I can see about training so early… is that the Seedlings main job at this First-Week stage, is throwing out some Roots.
There might be a little physical advantage to waiting another week to Bend… she’s responding though… cheers Bud
@1Right_Angle, thanks man. Im just having a bit of fun and hopefully I'll get some decent bud out at the other end.
I must admit that when I've done this in the past it's usually a little later but I don't usually plant seedlings out into larger pots so soon either.
I'm hoping this will work out but I guess if it doesn't the other half the crop will be fine 😅
