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Seedstockers - Indica #1
Seedstockers - Indica #2
Seedstockers - Indica #3
Seedstockers - Indica #4
Seedstockers - Indica #5
Fission 300W Light Emitting Diodes/100W
Custom
Fission 300W Light Emitting Diodes/100W
Custom
Soil
Custom
Indoor
Room Type
LST
weeks Technique
Topping
weeks Technique
Main-Lining
weeks Technique
3 liters
Pot Size
Start at Harvest
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Week 1. Vegetation
7y ago
4 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
25 °C
Day Air Temp
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.1 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
IndeKast All 5 seeds are germinated in about 2-3 days. Nr 3 is the fastest. Nr 5 the slowest. The soil i use is biobizz Allmix. I'm not planning to give them any other nutrients. This is the first time i grow phototype strains. So we'll see when it's time to change the light scedule to 12/12. I want to keep the plants low, so i will top and train them.
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Week 2. Vegetation
7y ago
6 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
25 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.1 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
IndeKast They grow not very fast, but they are growing :-) Day 9: They seem to grow faster now. 👍 Day 10: There are some new leaves that's are dark green and wrinkled. To much nutrients in the all-mix for this young plants? I hope it will recover. Day 12: indica #4 is growing weird
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Week 3. Vegetation
7y ago
8 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
25 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.1 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
IndeKast Day 15: They're looking pretty healthy. Working on their 4th node. In a couple of days when the 5th node appears I'll chop their heads off. I'm not sure what to do with indica #4. Looks like she splits herself. Probably nothing Day 17: waiting 1 or 2 days to chop. Day 18: #2 and #3 are topped for mainlining. Day 19: #5 and #1 are topped for mainlining. For the time being I just let #4 grow. Day 20: After 1 day recovering from topping, they begin to grow again. Day 21: Patience
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IndeKast
IndeKaststarted grow question 7y ago
Hello fellow growers.. pretty happy so far, but I've a question about Indica #4. I'm topping my plants 3 times to create 8 main cola's. #4 grows not symmetrical so I'm not sure where to make the cut. It would be great if someone can tell me.
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OutForRealanswered grow question 7y ago
Hello ! After the 5th node is the average , after the 3rd one can be done too but prefer the 5th one.
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Week 4. Vegetation
7y ago
14 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
28 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
16 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.1 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
IndeKast Day 22: Patience. I did some LST on #4. Day 23: I accidentally gave #2 the double amount of water. I hope she don’t drown. I topped #4 (the mutant) twice...let's see what will happen. Day 24: Almost ready for second topping. The fanleaves getting huge. Day 25: #2 and #3 topped for 2nd time. I also made a new setup and added an extra growLED. 1x UFO 50watt, 1x Hans panel 50watt Day 26: #4 made 6 new branches. No more topping for this girl. #1 and #5 topped today. Next week Final topping i guess Day 27: Removed the fanleaves of #2 and #3. I'm trying to train them into a T shape instead of an Y shape. They are a little bit stiff so I will pull them down step by step. Day 28: Removed the fanleaves of #1 and #5. Also trying to make a T shape so I pulled the branches a little bit down. I think i'm a bit late with that, because the branches are still stiff. Even when I try it a couple of hours after watering.
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Week 5. Vegetation
7y ago
15 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
28 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
No Smell
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
18 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.1 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
IndeKast Day 29: Not much going on. I pulled the two mainbranches down a little bit more. Day 30: Again a little lower. Allmost a T shape. I hope to top them for the last time at the end of the week. Day 31 I did some lst on #4 again. #3 had her final topping. Tomorrow I will bend her to the side and maybe I remove the fanleaves. For now I let it recover. Day 32 I removed the fanleaves of #3 and tied her down. I topped #2 for the last time. Tomorrow I remove the fanleaves. #4 was very bushy so I removed the fanleaves and spread the branches some more. #1 and #5 are not ready yet to top, maybe tomorrow. Day 33 removed the fanleaves of #2 and lst #1 and #5 topped for the last time. No more topping for for the girls (only LST). I'm not sure how long they have to grow before switching to 12/12 Day 34: I removed the fanleaves of #1 and #5 and tied them down. #2 and #3 bounced back so I tied them down again. It's going pretty good. Day 35 some branches bounced back so pulled them down again. #4 was very bushy again so I removed some fanleaves for better light penetration.
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Week 6. Vegetation
7y ago
13 cm
Height
18 hrs
Light Schedule
28 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
Weak
Smell
50 %
Air Humidity
18 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.1 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
IndeKast Day 36: Not much going on. I did some lst and removed some fanleaves of #4. The rest is still going strong. Day 37: The mainlining is done. Waiting to switch to 12/12. Not exactly sure when. Day 38: Still pretty dark green leaves...The Biobizz All-mix is doing it. Just watering tapwater (about Ph7). I am using 3 litre pots and I'm wondering when I need to add some nutrients. Biobizz grow, bloom, top-mix? Day 39: I've noticed a little smell today #1. 13cm #2. 10cm #3. 12cm #4. 10cm #5. 10cm Day 40: Growing slowly. End of the week switching to 12/12. Day 41: This evening the lights go out early. Flipped to 12/12.🙏 Day 42: new leaves of #2 have a very light green color. Keep an eye on that.
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IndeKast
IndeKaststarted grow question 7y ago
When to switch to 12/12? The plants are about 10 to 15 cm (4-6inch) I know they gonna explode when going into flowering, but I have not a lot of space. The lights can go up for another 35 cm (14inch). Thinking about waiting when they are 20 cm (7.8inch). What do you think?
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Athosanswered grow question 7y ago
I would switch as soon as you see preflowers. Better be on the safe side. I do micro growing too and have experienced major stretching.
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Week 7. Vegetation
7y ago
14 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
28 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
Weak
Smell
40 %
Air Humidity
18 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.15 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 1
Bio-Grow - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Grow
1 mll
IndeKast Day 43: 3th day in 12/12 modus. They stretched a little bit. #1 14cm #2 11cm #3 14cm #4 11cm #5 13cm Overall the colour of the leaves is still pretty dark green. The new growtips are a litte bit lighter green. This normal I guess. Correct me if I’m wrong. I think it's not necessary to add some nutrients yet. Also….Correct me if I’m wrong. Day 44: Nothing going on Day 45: stretched about 1 cm Day 46: removed some fanleaves of #2 and #4. They were bushy. #1 is not happy. What is going on? Day 47: Not much change sinds yesterday. It's Day6 in 12/12 modus. #1 still the same. Today I gave some nutrients. Biobizz Grow. Day 48: #1 Yellower by Day. Don't know what to do. I Just checked the pH of the soil. It's 6.4 so that's pretty good. Maybe i gave to much water and fucked up the roots. Day 49: I believe the green colour is comming back. ☺️
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Week 8. Flowering
7y ago
17 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
Weak
Smell
40 %
Air Humidity
18 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.15 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 1
Bio-Grow - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Grow
1 mll
IndeKast Day 50: It's Day 10 in 12/12 modus. I Removed the garden ties so they can freely grow. maybe i will tie them down later to get an equal canopy. For now it's OK. #1 18cm #2 14cm #3 17cm #4 12cm #5 15cm They stretched a little...I've skipped watering a couple of days because I tought i gave too much. I hope to see flowering at the end of the week. Day 51: I did some new lst today. Day 52: bounced back from lst. I see flowering Day 53: Flowering in process. I expecting more growt this week. I hope they grow a little bit more. I've room for that 😀 Day 54: Not much going on. Day 55: #1 still a bit light green.
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Week 9. Flowering
7y ago
17 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
Weak
Smell
40 %
Air Humidity
18 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.15 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Bio-Grow - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Grow
1 mll
Bio-Bloom - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Bloom
1 mll
IndeKast Day 59: I turned on the flowering mode on the growlight. I removed the 50watt UFO veg light. So the Hans panel is doing the job (Total 100w). Next watering i will add some biobizz bloom. Indica #1 is still a bit lighter but I think she’s doing fine. Day 60: I removed the lower fanleaves and some other leaves in the shade. Day 62: Finally the Sensi Cal Mag Xtra was deliverd. I only gave #1 the recommended amount. 1ml on 1litre. Maybe next week another shot... I hope she will react on it possitively. I gave the others just bio grow and bloom.
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Week 10. Flowering
7y ago
20 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
Normal
Smell
40 %
Air Humidity
18 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.15 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 2
Bio-Grow - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Grow
1 mll
Bio-Bloom - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Bloom
1.5 mll
IndeKast Day 65: Still going strong (except #1) I'm gonna increase the bio bloom this week bit by bit. Day 66: I Made some close ups. Allready lots of trichomes. Day 69: pretty happy so far. Buds are getting bigger.
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Week 11. Flowering
7y ago
20 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
6.5
pH
Normal
Smell
40 %
Air Humidity
18 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.15 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 3
Sensi Cal-Mag Xtra - Advanced Nutrients
Sensi Cal-Mag Xtra
0.5 mll
Bio-Grow - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Grow
1 mll
Bio-Bloom - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Bloom
2 mll
IndeKast Day 71: Increased the bio Bloom to 2 ml. I did a little defoliation today to get some light and air penetration. I also gave #4 a higher stand to get more equality. Very happy about it. Day 73: Did some more defoliation so the lower parts getting more light. After that i had very sticky fingers with a delicious smell. Tomorrow I post some more pics. Day 74: Added some pics after defoliation. I didn't defoliation #1 although the colour is getting better.
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Week 12. Flowering
7y ago
20 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
5.5
pH
Normal
Smell
40 %
Air Humidity
18 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.2 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 3
Sensi Cal-Mag Xtra - Advanced Nutrients
Sensi Cal-Mag Xtra
1 mll
Bio-Grow - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Grow
1 mll
Bio-Bloom - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Bloom
3 mll
IndeKast Day 78 Week 5 of flowering. Not much going on. All the work is done in the first weeks. I increased the bio bloom a little this week (3ml on 1ltr). Once a week call mag Xtra (2ml on 1ltr). At the end of this week i’ll post some more pics. Day 82 #5 is showing some deficiency or abundance Day 84 added extra call mag. Hope it will help
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IndeKast
IndeKaststarted grow question 7y ago
Hello growers.. I've a question about the colour of the leaves ( last pic). What could it be? Looks like magnesium deficiency but not sure.
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Leaves. Veins - stay green
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OutForRealanswered grow question 7y ago
Hello ! Yes you are right, yellowing between veins and purple stems are the main signs of Magnesium def and they can be seen on your plant. Increase your cal mag amount and it will be ok ✌️🏼
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Week 13. Flowering
7y ago
20 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
5.5
pH
Strong
Smell
40 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.1 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
Nutrients 3
Sensi Cal-Mag Xtra - Advanced Nutrients
Sensi Cal-Mag Xtra
1 mll
Bio-Grow - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Grow
1 mll
Bio-Bloom - BioBizzWWO
Bio-Bloom
2 mll
IndeKast Day 85 Week 6 flowering. 5 different strains, 5 different needs... Plant #5 has magnesium deficiency. plant #1 is pretty much recovered. I've to pay more attention to the pH values...(around pH6). I added a little less nutrients to keep the pH around 6. I made some pics of the trichomes. It's looking good.. The buds are not that big, but very hard and compact and the smell is amazing...
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Week 14. Flowering
7y ago
20 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
7.0
pH
Strong
Smell
40 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.1 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
IndeKast Day 92: week 7 flowering. This week I stop adding nutrients and flush the soil. Only #4 and #5 showing some deficiencies. The rest is pretty green. Its the first time i have to flush. I’m Not sure pH value of the flushwater. Some say just tapwater (pH7) some say to adjust the water to pH 6. After flushing i’m expecting a lot of yellowing leaves, but we are almost there. The smell is getting stronger. 👍🏽 Day 93 I flushed today.. Brown water came from underneath.. so that's a good thing. The rest of the week no watering, because the pots are pretty heavy now. I also checked the trichomes #1 some amber (smells very sweet) #2 very less amber (smells like rubber with a sweet touch) #3 some more amber (smells sweet sour) #4 some amber (smells like rubber) #5 some amber (smells sweet sour) Day 94 The girls took it well...the leaves are normal Day 96 I Made some shots of the trichomes again. #1 seems pretty ready. Day 98: I flushed again... The pots dried out. This was the last flush. Next week harvest.
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Week 15. Flowering
7y ago
20 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
7.0
pH
Strong
Smell
40 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.1 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
IndeKast Day 99: Week 8 flowering I think this week some will be harvested. I flushed yesterday for the last time. It surprised me how much water they can take without drowning. The All-mix has a pretty good drainage. A little recap: From the beginning I used 3ltr pots. (Next time I will start with 1ltr pots, after that I will repot them in 6ltr pots) When the plants made it to the 5 node I topped them down to node 3 to make a mainline. I did the nugbucket method to make 8 main Cola's. I'm happy about the result and it was fun to do and not that difficult. (Next time I do the nebula method or some other mainline method). I will also wait a little longer before flip to 12/12. I have made some mistakes in this diary: I was too late giving nutrients when some plants needed it. Had to buy it first.... I increased the amount of nutrients step by step, but I forgot to check the pH. It was too low (pH5) so decreased the nutrients. Anyway they survived and the smell is amazing...all have a different scent. #1 has pretty much amber coloured trichomes. (Looks ready) But if you look at the whole bud you see a lot of white hairs. (Not ready) so I'm not sure when to harvest this one... The rest of the girls need some more time. Day 100: New pic#1. I don't know how I've made the previous pic with lots of amber... Maybe an older sugar leaf? The new pic is more milky. I've decided to wait some days. More updates later this week.....
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Week 16. Flowering
7y ago
20 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
27 °C
Day Air Temp
7.0
pH
Strong
Smell
40 %
Air Humidity
20 °C
Night Air Temp
3 liters
Pot Size
0.1 liters
Watering Volume
25 cm
Lamp Distance
IndeKast Day 106. Last two days of darkness. I also gave the last watering icewater. What i’ve read it will make some more trichomes at the end. I don’t know if it helps, but i just did it.
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Week 16. Harvest
7y ago
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12 g
Bud dry weight per plant
1
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0.36
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Hard
Difficulty
Positive effects
Uplifted
Positive effects
Negative effects
Dry mouth
Negative effects
Taste
Citrus, Sweet
Taste
Sleepy
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Sativa

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IndeKast After drying more information.. I hope to hear what strains I've been growing some day. Dry weight 12 gr. 100w/5 = 20w per plant. That makes it 0.6gr per watt. The smell is very sweet. Smoked some but it was not very tasty
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Week 16. Harvest
7y ago
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Bud dry weight per plant
1
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0.36
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Easy
Difficulty
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Happy, Talkative
Positive effects
Negative effects
Dry mouth
Negative effects
Taste
Cream, Earthy, Sweet
Taste
Sleepy
Energy
Indica
Hybrid
Sativa

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IndeKast After drying more information.. I hope to hear what strains I've been growing some day. Dry weight 11gr. 11/20 = 0,55 gr/watt The smell is also very sweet. I smoked some. Pretty good, but I need a second opinion. More later...
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Week 16. Harvest
7y ago
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Ger Veg Flo Har
11 g
Bud dry weight per plant
1
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0.36
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Easy
Difficulty
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Happy, Hungry
Positive effects
Taste
Cheese, Cream, Sour
Taste
Sleepy
Energy
Indica
Hybrid
Sativa

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IndeKast After drying more information.. I hope to hear what strains I've been growing some day. Dry weight 11gr. Makes it 0.55gr/watt The smell is a bit sour sweet. I smoked some popcorn buds. The smell is impressive (sour sweet)..the effect is also impressive. I like this one...
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Week 16. Harvest
7y ago
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Happy
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Negative effects
Dry mouth
Negative effects
Taste
Cream, Herbs, Nutty
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Sleepy
Energy
Indica
Hybrid
Sativa

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IndeKast After drying more information.. I hope to hear what strains I've been growing some day. Dry weight. A little disappointing 6gr That makes it 0.3 gr/watt The mell is sweet/pine Smoked some.. great taste. Not very strong0
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Week 16. Harvest
7y ago
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Happy, Talkative, Uplifted
Positive effects
Taste
Sweet
Taste

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IndeKast After drying more information.. I hope to hear what strains I've been growing some day. Dry weight 10gr. Makes it 0.5gr/watt The smell is weak. A little sweet. I smoked some popcorn buds... The taste and effect was also weak. More high than stoned. Maybe after more curing it will be a better. After 3 weeks curing taste is better. Still a weak sweet taste but smooth... The effect is uplifting.
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Quexos
Quexos commented7y ago
What a fantastic job you've done on this grow! Its like they are all models on a display! Everything looks so uniform and perfect! That amber trichome shot was great! I'd be harvesting that little girl. I wouldn't really worry about the pistils to determine harvest time. Use the trichomes as your guide. It is much more accurate. Next grow, measure your pH and PPM regularly when feeding and watering. That will give you an idea as to what the numbers. Adding a pH up might have been a better solution to your low pH. Also, try to do slurry tests as well so you know what the pH and PPM of your soil is during the grow. In all, this is a crazy good grow. I wish I was that neat!
IndeKast
IndeKast commented7y ago
@Quexos, Thanks man!!! I've learned a lot of this growth. You're doing a great job too with your mainlines. I will wait one more day to make a decision about harvesting #1.
Quexos
Quexos commented7y ago
@IndeKast, Thanks. There are too many of them in a small space. I'm having trouble keeping them trained out. I'm running out of space and canopy. Harvesting is a personal preference. Some people really like their trichomes amber. They like the sedative high. Others like a more uplifting, energetic high, so they harvest when all the trichomes are milky. 15% amber trichomes is the average number thrown around. The real danger is harvesting too early before the plants are fully mature. That is not the case with your girls. #1 is up to you know. The rest can't be too far behind.
IndeKast
IndeKast commented7y ago
@Quexos, I want the trichomes something in between. I’ve made a new pic of #1. As you can see there are no amber trichomes on that spot. I dont know how i did that. Maybe the first photo was an old sugar leaf...Anyway I wait a couple of days.
J_D13
J_D13 commented7y ago
zien er goed uit!
J_D13
J_D13 commented7y ago
@IndeKast, ja ze hadden al moeten staan, maar word nogal gedwarsboomd momenteel. dus kan nog wel ff duren
IndeKast
IndeKast commented7y ago
@J_D13, Oei, klinkt niet best.... maar ik hou je in de gaten 😉
J_D13
J_D13 commented7y ago
@IndeKast, Je word aardig bij naam genoemd op cnnbs, met link hier naartoe.
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NomNom
NomNom commented7y ago
Those trichomes are looking get. Good job on the grow. Are you changing mainlining methods just to try something different or because you didn’t like something about the nugbucket method?
IndeKast
IndeKast commented7y ago
@NomNom, thank you very much. I just want to try something else because there is room for more buds or save some veg time. I realize that the buds will not be equal size, but I like to experiment. Nugbucket is great if you want equal sized buds.
NomNom
NomNom commented7y ago
@IndeKast,Cool I like to experiment too. Last grow I did equal splits out to 16 nodes. My current grow I'm trying something different, split evenly to 4 nodes and then let 4 main nodes go from there. I was just curious because I'm still learning and experiment too.
IndeKast
IndeKast commented7y ago
@NomNom, I've checked them out and they're doing great. I like the blueberry.
PetertjeTHC
PetertjeTHC commented7y ago
Looks great man. You inspired me to do a mainline method the next time. Keep up the good work ;)
IndeKast
IndeKast commented7y ago
@PetertjeTHC, Thanks, that's great to hear. I will definitely follow
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