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EVO 4-80 Light Emitting Diodes/250W
EVO 4-80 Light Emitting Diodes/250W
Grow Box 80x80x180
Ferna Home Grow Box
GardenHighpro
Ventilation Fans
Prima Klima
Air Filters
Blumat
DripSystems
Indoor
Room Type
Soil
Grow medium
Coco Coir
Grow medium
11 L
Pot Size
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Germination
2 months ago
This is gonna be a kind of lazy but kind of interesting grow. This will compare how different mixtures of living soil/ organic nutrients will hold up with only water added during the entire cycle. The following abrev. shall be used from here on to identify the plants/pots: - FLO , as the fertilizer/nutirent supplier used - SC , as in SubCool, whose receipe for supersoil was used - BM , as in BobrMarley 😎, eventhough it is actually a slight variation of SubCool's SC: organic soil (BioBizz LightMix) 15 l Earthworm castings 0.82 kg Fish bone meal 0.049 kg Bone meal 0.049 kg Bat guano 0.1kg oyster shell 0.108 kg kelp meal 0.031 kg alfalfa meal 0.031 kg epsom salt 0.01 l dolomite lime 0.01 l azomite 0.02 l humic acid 0.005 l BM: organic soil (BioBizz LightMix) 15 l Earthworm castings 0.82 kg Fish bone meal 0.099 kg Bone meal 0.027 kg Bat guano 0.049kg oyster shell 0.1 kg kelp meal 0.03 kg alfalfa meal 0.03 kg epsom salt 0.01 l dolomite lime 0.01 l azomite 0.02 l humic acid 0.005 l FLO was mixed to about 10% vol (FLO makes up 1l out of 10l substrate) SC and BM were mixed, so the amount of nutrients is more or less the same as FLO. Grown in 11l fabric pots, bottom 3l is nutrient rich, the rest is blended down to a 3:1 ratio, so the seedlings won't be burned in early veg. after the seedlings have settled in, in a week or so, I'll switch from manual watering, to the Blumat system. and, just for the record, the seeds were germinated between cotton pads and not paper towels, since I find them to better retain the moisture. 2024-12-17 Pots are prepared with a small hole for the tap root to be placed in, surrounding area is sprinkled with about 1g of mycorrhizae and slightly covered with soilmix and sprayed to dampen the soil. Seeds were placed directly into the final 11l fabric pots. Lights running 18/6 @ 40% in 60cm 2024-12-18 SC and BM had shed their seed shell over night, FLO needed a little help with that. Little water around the seedlings and that's maintenance for today. Besides the instant purple stems, coming along nicely.
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Week 1. Vegetation
2 months ago
5.5 cm
18 hrs
24 °C
No Smell
75 %
20 °C
11 L
60 cm
Week 1 recap: Besides FLO having a bit of a rough/slow start, all 3 coming along nicely. 2024-12-19 a little water to keep the substrate moist, nothing else FLO seems a day behind, but no rush :) BM: 4cm FLO: 3cm SC: 4cm 2024-12-20 FLO seems a bit slow on the start. BM: 4.5cm FLO: 4cm SC: 4.5cm 2024-12-21 FLO looks like she's about to finally have her Day1 of veg tomorrow 😅 took her a few days, but no shame in that 😎 Just a little spraying, so the soil doesn't dry out. BM: 4.5cm FLO: 4.5cm SC: 4.5cm 2024-12-22 Nothing besides the daily spray. BM: 4.5cm FLO: 5cm SC: 4.5cm 2024-12-23 Since I had a little issue with fungus gnats, I watered the substrate prior to germinating the seeds with nematodes. Today each pot got their second round of nematodes :) FLO seems a total of 3 days behind the other two, considering the pictures of the transplanting procedure, i should have placed FLO a little deeper, but oh well ... BM: 4.5cm FLO: 5.5cm SC: 4.5cm 2024-12-24 BM: 5cm FLO: 5.5cm SC: 5cm 2024-12-25 Soil was still moist enough from the watering from the day before yesterday, so nothing much to do really. BM: 5.5cm FLO: 5.5cm SC: 5.5cm That sums it up for Week 1 :)
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Week 2. Vegetation
2 months ago
5.5 cm
18 hrs
25 °C
No Smell
65 %
20 °C
11 L
40 cm
Start of Week 2 Pretty happy with the progress so far. 2024-12-26 2024-12-27 Lowered the lights to 40cm and set the dimmer to 60%. Watered the pots, so that the blumat system can be adjusted tomorrow. BM: 5.5cm FLO: 5.5 cm SC: 5.5 cm 2024-12-28 Setup the Blumats. BM: 6.0cm FLO: 5.5 cm SC: 6.0 cm 2024-12-30 FLO grows weird. But, let's see what happens :) BM: 6.5cm FLO: 5.5 cm SC: 6.5 cm
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Week 3. Vegetation
2 months ago
13 cm
18 hrs
25 °C
Weak
62 %
20 °C
11 L
40 cm
Happy New Year! was away for new years, and checked back on them on 2025-01-02. while checking on FLO, there was a little accident with BM and the fly trap ... anyways, SC seems a bit more compact in statue than BM. Both did well since I last saw them. Idk what's going on with FLO but she sure grows weird. 2025-01-02 BM: 9.5cm FLO: 6.5cm SC: 9.0cm 2025-01-04 BM: 11.0 cm FLO: 7.0 cm SC: 10.5 cm 2025-01-06 readjusted the lamp to a 40cm distance. BM: 13.5cm FLO: 7.5cm SC: 13.5cm
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Week 4. Vegetation
2 months ago
30 cm
18 hrs
25 °C
Weak
60 %
19 °C
11 L
40 cm
Start of Week 4 :) BM and SC are doing pretty well and started showing sex :) as with FLO, well ... she's doing her part ... not the most impressive, but I'm sure she's giving it her best. 2025-01-08 BM: 16.5cm FLO: 8.0cm SC: 17.0cm 2025-01-10 readjusted the light's distance and set intensity to 80% BM: 21cm FLO: 9.0cm SC: 21.0cm 2025-01-12 Noticed BM and SC are clawing, SC a bit more but BM looks like slightly burned tips, guess the mixes are too hot ... for these autos at least... BM shows first pistils, guess they'll start flowering right on time at the beginning of week 5 BM: 24cm FLO: 10.0cm SC: 25.0cm 2025-01-14 End of week 4, BM is a day ahead in regards to flowering, but SC seems a bit more vital. BM: 29cm FLO: 11cm SC: 31cm
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Week 5. Flowering
a month ago
53 cm
18 hrs
26 °C
Weak
60 %
19 °C
11 L
40 cm
2025-01-15 Start of Week 5 :) BM and SC are spot on flowering! FLO's a little behind on that, but I'll take a risk here and say, she won't be ending up with that much flower anyway, so, no hurry :) Noticed spots on SC fan leaf. readjusted the light's distance and set intensity to 100%. BM: 33cm FLO: 12cm SC: 37cm 2025-01-18 SC and BM show signs of Calcium deficiency. BM: 37cm FLO: 14cm SC: 50cm 2025-01-18 almost end of week 5! started to gradually lower rh over the next few days from 60% to 50% adjusted the blumat on BM, soil seemed a bit too wet, the dropping leafs could have been an indicator for over watering ... the spots on SC's leafs grew in size and numbers, kinda looks like calcium def. but given the soil mixture containing garden lime, that seems rather unlikely... since SC shows clear signs of over fertilization, like clawing, my guess would be some other excess nutrient blocking cal uptake. BM: 38cm FLO: 14cm SC: 53cm
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Week 6. Flowering
a month ago
60 cm
18 hrs
27 °C
Weak
52 %
19 °C
11 L
40 cm
2025-01-22 Start of Week 6 :) had to readjust the lights distance again, since SC stretched quite a bit more than BM. Guess, BM will get a bit less light than SC since the 20cm hight difference. Had a little issue with the blumat, the reservoir ran empty and when I filled up, air was trapped in the system. while fixing the air issue, I forgot to check soil moisture (which was way too dry, since the system was not working for about 3 days), so, the blumats were wide open and a lot of water ran through, which then kinda flushed the soil a bit until I noticed and readjusted the blumat. BM: 40cm FLO: 15cm SC: 58cm 2025-01-24 Some damaged leaves on BM and SC, didn't want to intervene in this grow, but i was thinking about light defoliation, since BM is kinda compact with a lot of fan leaves... FLO is ... something like stretching :D BM: 40cm FLO: 19cm SC: 60cm 2025-01-26 The more I read online about this, the more confused I am of whats going on 😝 So far, claws, slightly burned leaf tips, and dark green leaves, especially during veg, were symptoms of overfeeding, at least I thought so. TIL, claws and dark leaves might also be signs of over watering, burned leaf tips alongside the rusty spots, in combination with "sharp edged" leaves and slightly purple coloring might be caused by light stress ( as per this journal, spot symptoms were first noted 3 days after setting intensity to 100%) see: https://www.growweedeasy.com/cannabis-plant-problems/light-burn Since I changed the display on my phone, I don't trust the integrated light meter calibration, so any app reading to determine PPFD or DLI is to be taken with caution. I found a lot of opinions on PPFD in regards to autos. Some say a max of 700PPFD is sufficient, some say bigger lights for bigger buds ... Since I have no means of reliable measurement, I can only trust the datasheet. That would mean, they get about 900PPFD at the moment, I would need to change settings to 80% to approx. match 700PPFD, even at this setting, the DLI (some say about 40 - 45) [ https://growlightmeter.com/lighting-requirements-of-cannabis-over-the-full-grow-cycle/ ] is beyond 50 (IF I trust my smartphones reading!) then again, if they are not overfed but over watered, this might be Phosphorus deficiency as far as the rusty spots go, at least, and right on time of high P demand ... as for the PH level: as far my understanding of organic soils, it should be able to buffer for some PH fluctuations / imbalances. In which boundaries tho, idk. So, rebalance water PH dim lights readjust the blumats for dryer soil I actually wanna understand whats happening here, so changing everything at once doesn't seem helpful. I turned the intensity down to 60% and cut out the most damaged leaves. Don't have PH down at hand, so this will take day or so BM: 40cm FLO: 19cm SC: 60cm 2025-01-27 Nearing end of week 6! turning the drip system down to let the pots dry up a bit helped with the dropping leaves. I will readjust the blumats tomorrow to match the current soil moisture level. as for the damaged leaves ... well, the small rusty spots didn't gain much in size since yesterday, so maybe turning down the lights was helpful, but can't tell yet. advanced damages keep getting worse, those leaves will have to go off, too. Yellowing of older leaves did increase tho. PH down is on it's way and should arrive tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. BM: 40cm FLO: 21cm SC: 60cm
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BobrMarley
BobrMarleystarted grow question a month ago
Is this a calcium deficiency ? given the soil mixtures (recipes in germ. week) unlikely. since they only get tap water, i checked the values Ca2+ 65.6 mg/l Mg2+ 17.3mg/l that's an 3.8:1 ratio. PH is 7.6, I never checked that tbh. doesn't the soil compensate for that?
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Herbman420
Herbman420answered grow question a month ago
Xpert nutrients will sort that 🤫😉
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Organoman
Organomananswered grow question a month ago
A pH of 7.6 will make the calcium unavailable,............max 7.0 pH for soil. Your plant also has a major phosphorous deficiency. How can soil "compensate" for anything?
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00110001001001111Oanswered grow question a month ago
Some really bad chemsitry knowledge here. Cations do not readily bond with each other. They would repel each other. cations bond with anions, not each other and not when they are 100% disassociated in solution. They are in ionic form in that context. They would bond to different sites, not similar sites for the same reasons as why they don't readily bond with the same type of ion. https://lawr.ucdavis.edu/classes/ssc219/biogeo/fig13.htm -- doesn't fully explain this specific thing but touches on enough relative topics. beware of science lectures from someone with a terrence howard video professing that "1x1=2", and a bunch of other psuedo-science nonsense. the general answer might be right/memorized, but teh explanation is not accurate, lol.
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Week 7. Flowering
a month ago
60 cm
18 hrs
27 °C
Normal
50 %
19 °C
11 L
40 cm
Nutrients 2
blood meal 2 mll
Bat Guano - Madame Grow
Bat Guano 15 mll
Back from an unplanned business trip Week 7 2025-01-31 just taken the pics 2025-02-01 tho the plan was to see how well the soil mixtures keep up, obviously they are either lacking nutrients or, well, Idk what else, since turning down lights and watering didn't do much. SC got a mix of bat guano (15g) and blood meal (2g) to make up for the deficiencies, or at least I hope so. We'll see how she'll take it. BM does a rather good job with buds, considering the yellowing leaves. I'll just let her do her thing and see what happens. FLO kinda started doing stuff :D BM: 40cm FLO: 25cm SC: 60cm 2025-02-03 seems I acted too late for SC, she's having a rough time ... BM: 40cm FLO: 30cm SC: 60cm
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Week 8. Flowering
22 days ago
60 cm
18 hrs
25 °C
Normal
48 %
19 °C
11 L
40 cm
Start of Week 8! 2025-02-05 SC got some banana tea 2 days ago, not so sure about the effects of the bat guano and blood meal ... dying leaves keep dying. BM did a LOT of yellowing in the last two days. FLO, well keeps being weird. BM: 40cm FLO: 30cm SC: 60cm 2025-02-07 Not too optimistic ... guess they'll make it till harvest, one way or the other, but that's not gonna be the best quality buds ... BM: 40cm FLO: 30cm SC: 60cm 2025-02-09 almost no fan leaves left on SC BM is holding on to hers even though they are yellow af :D FLO kinda gets a shape, but the bud sites are .. well ... as special as her grow was :P BM: 40cm FLO: 33cm SC: 60cm
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Week 9. Flowering
11 days ago
60 cm
18 hrs
25 °C
Normal
48 %
19 °C
11 L
40 cm
Mid Week 9! Life's been busy the last week, so late and short update: 2025-02-15 Well, they did better than I expected last week tbh ... Guess they'll take another week or so :) I'll try to update some closeups of the flowers in the next few days. 2025-02-18 End of Week 9 given the problems both plants had the past few weeks, I'm not too unhappy with the buds I'll guess I'll give them another week or so, but that's pretty much it, I guess. Bud pics added.
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Week 10. Flowering
4 days ago
60 cm
18 hrs
25 °C
Normal
44 %
19 °C
11 L
40 cm
2025-02-23 mid week 10! they made it! been waiting for the trichomes to ripen up a bit more, I'll switch off the lights tonight and will leave them in the dark for another two days and cut her then.
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Week 11. Harvest
8 hours ago
Happy Harvest Day!
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3 Seeds - 3 different plants 1 rather short an compact 1 stretched a bit more 1 did some strange grow, but maybe that's on me ... easy grow tho, planted in selfmixed substrates and water only through the whole cycle and they took it, even though the substrates lacked some nutes.
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Harvest in Week 11! Turned the lights off on D69, chopped them on D71. Even though, there was some nutrient def. I didn't manage to compensate in both substrates, i'm not too unhappy with the outcome. I'll check back once dried!
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