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MovingOn MovingOn
5 years ago
Target Vapor Pressure Deficit (VPD): 1.3-1.4kPa It might be too little, too late, but the buds are still getting bigger from the nute loss recovery. I have been removing dead leaves. I don’t defoliate living leaves anymore, because they are the plant’s solar batteries. Not only does photosynthesis create nutes in the leaves, but the nutes it pulls out of the soil get stored in the leaves as well. If I had defoliated like most people normally do, my plants could have died while I was away had it not been for the stored nutrients in the leaves. I was actually surprised to see green come back to the leaves though, I always heard that once the leaves turn color, they never go back to green. It is hard to see in the pics above, but if you compare them to the previous weeks, it is easier to see. Upon microscopic examination, it seems like I will still have about a week or more left on this girl according to the clear glassy look of many of the trichomes still. The aroma is super interesting. It started to be fairly sweet last week, but now there is a sour smell too. Sweet and Sour, ha. I did expect more of a lemon and pine smell, but I’m pleasantly surprised with this phenotype’s aroma. RECAP OF THE GROW SO FAR: Target VPD for the week 1-2 seedling cycle was 0.7kPa. Target VPD for the week 3-4 veg cycle was 1.0kPa. Target VPD for the week 5+ flower cycle is 1.3-1.4kPa. If you’ve been following, you know that I undershot how much living soil to use and ran out of nutrients earlier in the flower cycle. All the leaves yellowed and the buds stopped increasing in size. I was out of town too much to fix the situation right away, so I estimate I lost almost 3 weeks of bud growth which will hurt my yield substantially. Also, please note that it isn’t the fault of the KIS Organics living soil that I am using - it was my underestimation of the volume that I needed. I also shouldn’t have added so much perlite. I ran to the nearest hardware store and picked up “Espoma Organic Tomato!” liquid tomato plant food. Well… it worked! I got green back in my leaves and the buds started growing again. All in all, my yield will be hurt, but I’m glad to be back on track. GROW SETUP (For extended explanations of why I went these routes, see my Week 1 entry): GROWING MEDIUM: - Kis Organics: Water Only Soil with Biochar (50%) - Espoma: Organic Perlite (50%) KIS Organics Water Only Soil with Biochar is a living organic compost soil that would have been enough nutrients for the plant through the whole grow if I didn’t underestimate how much to use. TENT: - Gorilla Grow Tent: Lite Line, 4’x4’ WATERING SYSTEM: - Autopots: Smart Pot XL The Autopot is a bottom watering unit that uses a float system to turn the water flow on and off. I used it for the weeks when I was out of town, and it kept the plant alive. SUPPLEMENTS: - General Hydroponics: CaMg+ (just a little bit) - KIS Organics: Nutrient Pack (4th week top dressing) - Real Growers: Recharge (only if needed) - Growcentia: Mammoth P (1 week before & during flower) LIGHTING: - Kind LED: K5 XL1000 Every light cycle stage is/was programmed with a sunrise and sunset mode where the light intensity starts low and increases, peaks, and then gradually dims before shut off. During week 1 and 2 I ran with a lower intensity and bluer color, and the actual watt average during the light cycle was only at 238W. For week 3 and 4 I changed my light to autorun mode, which is a stronger intensity but still has more blue during the light cycle, and the average light wattage in this cycle is 451W. Autorun mode is the Kind LED K5 XL1000’s default factory setting for a standard sunrise to sunset veg cycle. When I changed to the flower cycle at week 5 I programmed for full spectrum and intensity, but still with a sunrise and sunset ramp up and down. The actual average wattage during the flower cycle is 525W. HUMIDITY CONTROL (I usually run dry): - Elechomes: UC5501 Ultrasonic Humidifier VENTILATION: - AC Infinity: Cloudline T6 CO2: - 2x Exhale: The XL MONITORING: - Pulse One: Temp, RH, and VPD monitor over WiFi - Hydrofarm: CO2 Monitor I really like the Pulse One monitor. It really helps me to keep everything dialed in at all times. The graphing feature is a really great addition because I can now see how bad the environment of the tent would have been without some fine tuning. I fimmed about a week before flipping the lights, and it seemed to recover nicely. I’m still on the fence about fimming at this time though, since I think the plant would have turned out about the same anyway. Please also check out my other journal, The Church, by the Green House Seed Company: https://growdiaries.com/diaries/29539-the-agnostic-church-01
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Grow Questions
MovingOn
MovingOnstarted grow question 5 years ago
LED lighting makes badly colored pictures. Used to take my pots out of the tent, but my new watering system makes that a mess. My shop drop-light makes the leaves a weird light green. What type of lighting do you use for in-tent shots? Best answer to a cheap light but great pics.
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Techniques. Defoliation
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MarcXL
MarcXLanswered grow question 5 years ago
Your photos look good as far as I can see. I used to switch my red blue led off for photos and hung in a standard energy saving light with 4000k to take photos.
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growdoctordc
growdoctordcweek 4
@MovingOn wrote ; “This girl has some really wide leaves. I worry that the larger ones are shading out the lower part of the plant ... “ When light comes only from the ”12 noon” position, interior leaves can suffer. Consider placing lights at a 10 and 2 o’clock position to combat that. But if you’re talking about what is so commonly called ‘getting light to the buds’, as one medical man to another, I’d like to debunk/clarify the widespread belief that flowers require direct light to grow to their potential. We are all in agreement that leaves are the solar panel of plants. If you powered your home with solar energy, you’d know it would be silly to place your TV and refrigerator where they will receive direct sunlight - they can’t use it. They use the energy collected by the solar panels. Same for cannabis flowers. They need space and fresh air to grow, but the calices themselves (the resin filled sacs that in numbers make up the buds) do not photosynthesize. Direct light to flowers doesn’t assist growth. That’s a big statement to take in, as it claims that a common belief is not true. But it’s only a common belief among cannabis growers. Horticulturalist, botanists and real farmers know this simple truth that continues to elude most weed growers. Defoliate with judgement. To strip a plant of most leaves is sure to lessen yield. Cannabis adapts and snaps back and the grower thinks ‘Oh yeah she loved being stripped. The buds were awesome”. No doubt. But she was desperate. She’d have created more flowers had she been pampered. It’s a goofy science still because we have had little in the way of organized methodology. That’s changing quickly. Happy growing. Enjoy your harvest.
MovingOn
MovingOn
@TheBudWhisperer, yes, if I think about it now, I think the misconception is that the bud sites themselves need to get light, but it isn't the bud site that needs the most light. The leaves are basically solar powered batteries for the plant, even the big leaves. They take in nutrients from both the roots and sun, and when the plant runs low on nutrients, then it starts eating the nutrients stored in the leaves. I am pretty convinced that if I had defoliated my plants, then they would already be dead now since I've nearly depleted the stored energy within the plant (due to my lack of nutrients in the soil from my dumb 50/50 mix in a 5 gallon pot). All in all, I still can't give a definitive answer on this anyway. I just don't have enough experience to judge either way yet, and unfortunately this run won't be the run to give me the results I need to make a comparison. And I do think there are positives still to defoliation in some cases, but I really would like to do a full run without and see how it goes - I will just have to wait until next time.
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@MovingOn, @growdoctordc, I agree wholeheartedly but am also a little astounded if the common belief/misconception is that buds photosynth. My understanding of defoliation was that it’s a tactic to A: get light to the lower leaves of the plant and allow for deeper bud development (ie. cut off the big ones) and even more importantly B: increase airflow to the middle of the plant, thereby avoiding the dreaded bud rot, perhaps I’ve been drinking the wrong koolaid 😉👍
growdoctordc
growdoctordc
@MovingOn, I quickly scanned the article and will read in detail later. Interesting stuff about leaf age! ‘Less is more’ may not be the perfect adage for this, but you get what I mean. You’re on the right track Doctor! Carry on, sir.
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Spiral
Spiralweek 4
You can just tuck the leafs,so that the tops are exposed,I always do it like that.
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhispererweek 11
Glad to hear you’ve got a solution dude👍. That deficiency was Gettn on for sure😬. I admire your commitment to keeping er organic😎👍
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhisperer
@MovingOn, you touch on a good point about basic plant biology actually, read a good book recently on readdressing cannabis grow methods that debunked a lot of commonly held beliefs. One of the key points In the book was about nutrients and how plants utilize them. We forget that the nutrients we put in the soil undergo a chemical change in order to be properly and efficiently absorbed by the roots. If you think about it in these terms then the only thing that really matters about any nutrient is the NPK ratio itself. Nitrogen, potassium and phosphorous are all the same element regardless of brand - it’s only the ratio they’re mixed in that differentiates one product from the next. Odds are good that cannabis nutes are all overpriced because not all stoners are botanists and know better!!! Lol
MovingOn
MovingOn
@TheBudWhisperer, thanks, bud! It sure was scary. I attempted to go with the least chemical-like thing I could find at the hardware store. A good chunk of it is all microbes too, which is pretty awesome. So it is like using Recharge, but like "Super" Recharge. I wish I could show in the pictures more about how much it helped, but unless I had done a side by side closeup of one or two of the leaves, it is hard to show in the pics above. Using this stuff hints to me too that if I, or anybody else for that matter, decided to use hardware store nutrients, as opposed to cannabis specific nutrients, the plants would do just fine. If you make sure nothing is poisonous in the ingredients, and pay attention to the N-P-K ratios, then using hardware store nutes will do exactly the same thing as cannabis nutes, and cost about a third or less of the price.
NomNom
NomNomweek 3
Nice detailed comment 👍
NomNom
NomNom
@MovingOn, I agree, I had one of my plants hermie on me, I took pictures, finished the diary and wrote everything out. Warned the others on here that were growing the same strain and they looked and found hermies on the strain too. Sharing information about things/stuff or seeds that don't work is more important IMO. Good work keep it up. I hope your grow goes well and you have no issues.
MovingOn
MovingOn
@NomNom, thank you, buddy! I figure even if I don't do well, spreading information helps us all.
Delta918
Delta918week 13
Good stuff 👍👍
MovingOn
MovingOn
@@Delta918, thank you :)
MicrowGrow420
MicrowGrow420week 13
Like the ingenuity of using tomato feed when you're all out of nutes, congrats on the harvest, great informative diary 👍👌
MovingOn
MovingOn
@MicrowGrow420, thanks, Dog! I would have lost the crops without it.
motaman311
motaman311week 13
Thanks for your thorough review. I am thinking about popping a couple of these soon... Buds looks great!
MovingOn
MovingOn
@@motaman311, thanks! It is a strong, fast, and easy to grow plant. Just make sure to have enough nutrients through the flower stage (that was my mistake).
MicrowGrow420
MicrowGrow420week 13
Jeeze we gone hightech bigtime, you growing ganja for nasa now? 💪 Nice
MovingOn
MovingOn
@MicrowGrow420, ha! If only my skills could match the gear, heh. I think the next grow is going to be a really good one though, but for this one I ran into nutrient issues during flower and negated the high techness.
Satori_Hanso
Satori_Hansoweek 10
Too bad this happened. 😟 Can you try and give them any kind of nutrients. I believe you can still get them going.
MovingOn
MovingOn
Hi, @Satori_Hanso, yes, I believe I can, but my whole approach to growing was not going the route of chemical fertilizers, so it will be with some reluctance. I also am having a hard time finding the time to go shopping because of so many life events happening right now, and the distance from gardening stores, but we will see. Thanks for the comment!
Satori_Hanso
Satori_Hansoweek 7
I love the wall of text you wrote. Very informative. The plants look beautiful. I really like those leaves on the right plant, last picture. Just gorgeous. Can't wait to see the fruits of those plants. 😁
MovingOn
MovingOn
@Satori_Hanso, thanks for the compliments!
growdoctordc
growdoctordcweek 4
For pictures taking I use clamp lights with UVB bulbs, or white LEDs. Sometimes LEDs show weird lines. When I could see your diary title ‘Holy Agnostic...’ I hoped the next word would be Batman.
MovingOn
MovingOn
@growdoctordc, haha! That's funny. Holy kush, Batman! Thanks, I'll definitely ponder this. Although, you might want to make it a direct reply to the grow question if you want me to consider it for the "best answer". If you don't care though, I really appreciate the advice anyway! 😁
TheBudWhisperer
TheBudWhispererweek 1
Yeah, Kush anything and I’m pretty much in on the follow. Watching both with interest dude👍.
MovingOn
MovingOn
@TheBudWhisperer, thanks, Bud!
MicrowGrow420
MicrowGrow420week 13
Handsome plants, your set up sounds brilliant, your Kind LED gives you a great range of lighting to work with it seems almost like a natural environment.
biggreens420
biggreens420week 13
should enjoy this girl shes a really nice smoke look forward to seeing the harvest pics