INTRODUCTION
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Hi there, this is my third grow. So far I've grown Fastbuds Gorilla Glue and Fastbuds Zkittles. In this grow I'll be growing FastBuds Blackberry. This plant yields purple buds! Thank you for coming along for the journey with me. Please feel free to comment, ask questions and make suggestions - all feedback and interaction from other growers is highly welcome.
AIMS FOR THIS GROW
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I intend to attempt to fill the tent space (1.44 square metres) with 9 untrained plants (xmas tree style) with the intention of maximising the amount of bud produced. My core goal for each grow is to get 1000g from a 12 week autoflower grow (2g/watt). However, the target range I am aiming for and would be happy with is from 750g to 1250g (1.6g/watt to 2.6g/watt).
AIMS FOR THIS DIARY
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My primary goal is to document my grow setup, process and method to the level of detail required for someone else to be able to take this diary and use it as a complete growing manual. To this end I will document the entire setup and all the equipment used in the first page. I will then continue over the period of the grow to document every single detail of all of the growing processes, all the feedings and all actions taken during the grow. My hope is that this will ultimately provide anyone who wants it a complete, detailed and understandable guide that can be used to reproduce the results I have achieved.
My secondary goal with this diary is to document absolutely everything I do as part of the growing process, each day, and to use this diary as a means to help me diagnose any problems or issues with the grow. This is based on the idea that if honest complete details are kept, any issue or problem should be able to be diagnosed by looking through the previous steps taken in the growing process, and correlating them with the issue at hand.
My third goal for this diary is to use each grow, via the diary, to refine and improve my growing setup and processes by implementing new/better techniques in each subsequent grow by learning from the mistakes/problems in the previous grows. Hopefully this will mean each grow improves on the previous in quality and quantity, as well as in the lack of major catastrophes/unexpected problems.
GROW SETUP
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This grow is 9 BLACKBERRY Auto plants from FASTBUDS, in a 1.2m by 1.2m by 2.0m grow tent. I plan to just let the plants grow naturally without any major training, with the aim of getting a field of mini xmas trees filling as much of the tent space as possible, creating the biggest canopy possible.
They are growing in 11.4 Litres airpots. Each Airpot has 2 Litres of Canna expanded clay balls in the base, followed by a 30/70 mix of Perlite and Canna pro plus coco coir. The top 4cm of the pots is straight coco coir. This is because I find this more aesthetically pleasing to look at, and it stops the perlite from floating up to the top and creating a perlite layer on the top of the coco.
LIGHTING
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* The lighting is four quantum q288 boards, each has 288 samsung LM301b diodes for a total of 1156 diodes, they are 3500k spectrum.
* They are running at a combined 480watts for a total PPDF of 1176 umol.
* This is a DIY clone version of the HLG-550 (purchased from Kingbrite on Alibaba for $400USD including International Express DHL Shipping)
* I have built my own custom frame out of 20mm x 20mm x 3mm angle aluminium to spread the lights to the same dimensions as the original HLG-550 light. This light doesn't necessitate any active cooling even at full wattage, and it ticks along at around 40c at 240w, and gets to around 50c at a full 480w (Heatsink temp tested with infrared gun).
* Each light is fitted with an inline wattage meter of eBay. This cheap but awesome accessory allows me to see the exact wattage the light is set to and using. It even allows for w/H cumulative usage display. Its about $8 USD and the LCD screen has a blue glow. Every Quantum Board should have one of these for accurate light intensity setting.
* I generally start with a very low wattage for new seedlings, then move to 240w at 80cm for the first stage of vegetative growth. As the plants go into flower, I slowly increase the light intensity and lower the height above the canopy until its at 480w at 60cm. I try to get it to this point around week 8/9 so that the key bud growth weeks are done under maximum light intensity.
COCO PRETREATMENT
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I use CANNA Pro+ coco. The Coco was given an initial pretreatment watering with a EC 0.8 solution of full strength Flairform ROOTS and CMX additives. I put 3000ml through each pot a few days before the seedlings went in, and then again a day before they were planted into the coco. [NOTE: I think this pretreatment was not the best formulation, and was probably too much for the seedlings. Next time I will just stick with an 0.8EC solution using the basic 1-part nutrient feed, and a smaller proportion of ROOTS and CMX additives].
GERMINATION
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The seeds were germinated using the tissue paper technique. They were left to germinate and then transplanted directly into their final pots. After tap roots were about 1-2cm long, I made narrow holes in the coco and carefully placed the tap root into the hole (gently holding the seed shell with tweezers). I left the unopened cotyledon/seed hull just above the surface of the coco and then sprinkled a little coco over it. This seems to have worked well and as soon as after the first light cycle came on the seedlings had pushed up and were visible. By the second light cycle the cotyledons had opened and tiny first leaves were visible.
The light was set to 120w at 90cm for germination day, and then once the first leaves appeared they were set to 1/2 intensity for this initial seedling stage (240w) at 80cm above the canopy. This arrangement feels about right.
ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS
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Air circulation is to be provided is via two (soon to be three) pole-grip 18cm oscillating fans. These are placed at a height above the canopy to give a gentle breeze for the seedlings. They are lowered as the plants go into flower, to give more forceful air circulation around the buds.
Air Ventilation is being provided via a (max 330m3/h & 160Kpa) 100mm inline mixed flow fan and 300mm Carbon Filter that ducts (via 100mm ducting) out of the grow room and into the roof space. I have two tents ducting to a Y joiner, that then ducts via one duct to the roof space. The Y joiner is mounted on the grow room wall between the tents, and will allow me to easily vent back into the room and setup a recycling air system should I decide (most likely in the coldest part of winter in order to conserve heat) however I imagine this option will necessitate the use of dehumidifier.
Humidity/Temp monitoring is provided by a wireless monitoring station with 3 wireless monitors. I have one in each of my tents and one in the grow room itself, and the monitoring station is in my bedroom, allowing me to keep an eye on the growing environment whenever I like without needing to open up the grow room or the tents. (You can get one of these on eBay for around $30 USD with 3 remote sensors).
Spot temp measuring is being done with an infrared temp gun. This technology is incredibly cheap (around $7 on eBay), and allows for checking leaf temps, coco temp etc from pot to pot. It is a remarkably useful tool.
PH monitoring is done via a bluelabs PH Pen. (Top quality NZ made device).
Heating is provided in the grow room by the lights, the dehumidifier, and occasionally a fan heater in the grow room
NUTRIENTS
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My Nutrients are the full Flairform range (Flairform.com) as follows:
GreenDream-1 Grow : ONE-part Vegetative nutrient for hydroponics, coco and soil
GreenDream-1 Bloom : ONE-part Flowering nutrient for hydroponics, coco and soil
Roots : Promotes vigorous root growth
CMX : Calcium, magnesium & iron additive
GroStorm : The All-in-One organic additive
SilikaMajic : Silica additive for enhancing plant weight & strength
BudStorm : The All-in-One flowering additive
BudGenie : For improving resin output
I also have "Plantmate" Trichoderma powder.
This range is not coco specific. This I think leads to some Cal/Mag issues. I'm trying to mitigate with foliar sprays with epsom salts and possibly the CMX additive. I'm going to drop Flairform BudGenie. I found out from the MSDS that its just a dilute version of Flairform Budstorm.
EC OR PPM
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I've decided to do everything in E.C. measurements. Mostly because PPM is not standardised and there are 2 or 3 base PPM standards, which effectively makes comparing PPM numbers impossible. EC is simple, and always the same. My feeding/watering schedule is based entirely on PH and EC numbers.
FEEDING/WATERING STRATEGY FOR THIS GROW
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After two grows, I've decided that the best way to do coco is to water to run-off daily (after the first water to run-off, so about 2 weeks or so in to the grow) and to set the nutrient concentration using basic EC ranges for each stage of the plants grow. This effectively flushes the pot every day and I'm guessing gives the most consistent pot conditions (EC and PH value). With periodic waterings, I found I would have salt build ups and or swings in pot EC conditions and probably PH as well.
I loosely base my feeding schedule on the following structure I found on the autoflower network. Its based on my tap water EC level of 3.4 and would ultimately be implemented based on how the plants are responding on a day to day basis.
It should be noted this schedule is based on my municipal tap water having an EC of 0.34
SEEDLING
WEEK 1 EC 0.65-0.75 (Probably just tap water and the ROOTS additive. Maybe some CMX)
WEEK 2 EC 0.95-1.15 (The full 5 product flairform veg range. The NPK, the ROOTS profuct, The CMX micronutrient product, and the organic kelp based humvic/fulvic product GROSTORM, and the silica additive product SILIKAMAJIC.
VEGETATIVE
WEEK 3 0.95-1.35 Increase EC by 0.1 per day DEPENDING ON HOW PLANTS RESPOND
WEEK 4 EC 1.15-1.35
FLOWER
WEEK 5 ONWARD - EC 1.5-2.0 DEPENDING ON HOW PLANTS RESPOND. USING THE WHOLE Product Flairform Flowering nutrient range.
PH - At this stage I have decided to aim for a nutrient PH of between 5.5 - 6.3 (so generally I try to let the nutrient PH swing between 5.8 to 6.3 and back if I can co-ordinate that over successive waterings.
With nine 11.4L pots, I have found with daily waterings that I am ending up feeding about 1600ml per pot (15L total) with a 600ml (6L total) runoff. I check the Runoff EC on every daily feed. If it starts to go up or gets over the level going in, then something has gone wrong and I would flush the pots with FloraKleen and restart feeding with a 0.8 EC level nutrient feed.
WATER TREATMENT
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My municipal tap water is around PH 7.5-8.0 and around 0.34 EC out of the tap. The Bluelabs PH pen was expensive, but given how important and frequent PH checks are, it was pretty much essential, the budget PH meter I got worked.. sort of.. and was almost usable if you wanted to calibrate it every other day. The Bluelabs pen just works. And it has a lid with a probe storage solution holder that keeps the sensor stored in the KCL Storage solution. This apparently keeps safe and ensures to maximise probe life stopping it drying out.
For PH Control I have a standard PH-UP and PH-DOWN, as well as PH 7.0 and PH 4.0 Calibration solutions, and KCL probe storage solution. I'm finding the amount of PH down needed a little annoying and mildly concerning. Eventually I would like to implement a Reverse Osmosis walter filter for the water used for the plants.
REMOTE MONITORING
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As mentioned I have remote humidity/temp sensors in each tent and the grow room itself. I also use a webcam in each of my tents, this allows me to remotely view each tent from anywhere else, and allows me to keep a half eye always on them, which enables very fast awareness of problems like plant wilt/droop and allows me to be "with" the plants whenever I like, as opposed to just seeing them when I water them.. Sometimes issues like droop might only occur during parts of the grow cycle that you are not checking on them, and it could potentially go completely unseen until it eentually is happening for so long it overlaps I have the remote humidity/temp sensor display next to the plants screen.
HUMIDITY/TEMP CONTROL
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Each tent has a humidity controller and temp controller. These have a wall socket in them to enable the control of any device that can be plugged in. Nothings currently plugged into either. I generally control the tent temperature and humidity by 1) leaving the extraction fan on 24/7. 2) Leaving the ventilation fans on 24/7. 3) Turning up the light wattage to get the right tent temperature, and then moving the light far enough away to get the appropriate intensity. I've found even though they don't get massively hot, four Quantum Boards in a 1.2by 1.2 tent is the most cost effective heating solution. I ventilate to the roof space usually. When the grow room gets very cold in winter I recirculate the tent air back into the grow room, so the heat isn't lost. I run a dehumidifier on high mode pretty much 24/7. It runs at under 250w which is fine with me. This warms up the room air a bit, which is great during the colder half of the year.
TENT TEMPERATURE / ROOM TEMP
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The "ideal" goal temp and humidity at any given week are set based on Vapour Pressure Deficit (VPD) metrics, and optimal photosynthesis temperatures which research shows is a Leaf Surface Temperature between 25-35c. As a general rule and any stage of the grow I try to keep the tents in the 25-30c range with a humidity in the 65-75% range. I leave the dehumidifier on High continuously and as flowering progressed I try to keep the tent humidity low enough to avoid bud-rot if possible. If its particularly cold I sometimes put a fan heater in the grow room. I imagine in Summer Humidity and Temp will be easier to maintain at optimal ranges. I leave the extraction fan/carbon filter on 24/7 during day and night cycle. I also leave the circulation fans on 24/7 and adjust their height above the canopy in order to get gentle leaf movement sweeping across all of the tent area.
WEEK 1
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DAY -3 - Gave coco pretreament with 0.8EC solution made up with ROOTS and CMX additives. PH to 5.7 and 3000ml put through each pot
DAY -2 - No changes
DAY -1 - Gave coco pretreament with 0.8EC solution made up with ROOTS and CMX additives. PH to 5.7 and 3000ml put through each pot
DAY 0 - Planted the sprouts in the coco.
DAY 1 - Seedlings appear and cotyledons open. So this is Day 1.
DAY 2 - Gave plants 1000ml each of 0.7EC with PH 6.5 of basic nutrient solution (Greendream1-Grow)
DAY 3 - No changes
DAY 4 - No changes - two of the seedlings are a bit yellow, I think my pretreatment mix was a bit wrong and had to much of the ROOTS and CMX additives. I will try and "flush" the pots with a heavier watering with a basic seedling strength nutrient feed over the next several days. Normally I would only feed around 500-600ml per plant each day, but I'll increase this to 1000ml to try and mitigate the pretreatment problems.
DAY 5 - Fed plants with 0.8EC nutrient solution (Greendream1-Grow and CMX additive) with PH 5.9. Gave 1000ml per plant.
DAY 6 - Fed plants with 0.8EC nutrient solution (Greendream1-Grow and CMX additive) with PH 5.9. Gave 1000ml per plant. The plants seem to be growing and responding well to the conditions. Here's hoping they continue onward and upward from here on out!
DAY 7 - No feeding today. The pots were looking a bit overwet. Could probably do with some time to dry out a little.
END OF WEEK 1 - Well, apart from the slightly rough start with the (probably) invalid coco pretreatment, the plants aren't doing to badly. Two of the seedlings are kind of yellow, which is a bit odd, and two of the others are dwarves, but I'm used to at least one of the bunch being a dwarf, so this isn't to unusual. The yellow plants have me scratching my head though!
@ivik80, Aww cheers man. I spent a bit of time revising the previous two grows and decided I need to get a proper feeding strategy in place after I realised I'd pretty much been watering my coco like it was soil. Which still works (arguably just not as well as watering it for coco lol). The strength of nutrient on any given day however was pretty much guesstimating/praying. It feels good having EC ranges for each stage of the grow to guide me now. In the next iteration I'll likely be including a complete full list of everything needed to do the entire grow. It's a surprisingly long list, over 120 individual items, so over 60 components per tent, not including any seed orders. lol. I'll probably keep perfecting the start page on every grow, so even if my plants don't always grow bigger, my diary start pages will LOL.
I would check your runoff ph to see if its high. I just replaced my ph pen my old one was running really weird and wouldn't calibrate properly so I don't trust it anymore. So difficult to see true colors from photos but if you have a high runoff ph it could be too much calcium build up it can lockout magnesium and potassium. You can try to use a low ppm foliage spray of Epsom salt (Magnesium Sulfate) and water a couple of time per week to see if they green up a bit more.
@Philindicus, i agree with your firendsπ if you grow more some Cambodian Cubensis πβ¦.tell me too ππ.
sry for not being able to participate to this threadβ¦.it was interesting π but i was again projected into a black holes this last weeks ironicly caused by a fungi. i going to become an expert of that shit πβ¦
forntunatly Skislopes was in a good hand with you dudeβ¦.π i gonna check the next Week of this grow
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.The GD website seems to be having some issues on my end the site is very slow and my page access seems to be limited/different than usual. Are you in Europe?Australia?Timbuktu? You can check out @Budofpray he did a bunch of research in his "Let mother nature do the job" diary about Mycorrhiza. I believe he listed some sources where he ordered from. He is a bit prolific in his writings but has some great insights in the beneficial microbe area. Part of the deal with beneficial bacteria is only a few species actually will associate with each specific plant species. In other words if you were growing peas one specific species benefits peas to help accelerate growth but that same species may not benefit cannabis. This is why you will find a mixture of many different species of bacteria in the product sold online. With mycorrhiza there are endomycorrizae and ectomycorrizae once again there are many different species found in mixtures sold to suit a wide variety of plant species. Best thing is to try a few different kinds a see what's most effective for your grows. You need to be aware that some manufacturers will add a bit of fertilizer to their mixtures to provide starter food to feed the microbes so they get off to a good start. I say this because if the product contains fertilizer you need to account for that so you don't burn any young seedlings or plants. It should tell you on the product. Good luck with the mushrooms I grew some Cambodian Cubensis from a strain supposedly collected around Angkor Wat Temple several years ago still have friends asking if I will grow some more. Could happen. Good times when your camping and enjoying the outdoors.
@Philindicus, I pulled the trigger on the endoboost. I got a concentrated version of it that does 400 gallons, so it should last awhile. I'll look forward to sprinkling it in the seedholes of the next crop. I did a bit of reading, and it seems to be the general consensus that this stuff is like liquid gold. Thanks again for the advice.
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, 2 purple 1 green so far for me. I had some good stretching on mine also even after trying to control it. I'll see if I can pull some decent buds out of her.
@Philindicus, Cheers :) Interestingly of the two light green plants one turned out to be the most deep purple plant (plant 6), and the other turned out to be a mostly green budded plant (plant 7), but both ended up being very sparse and will likely be the lowest yield out of the entire crop.
@FrostRailz, Thank you very much! It has been a really enjoyable experience seeing purple buds in person for the first time ever. Their rarity them an almost mystical vibe, and from the small test bits I've tried, the taste and stone are quite beautiful.
You definitely got some nice purpling and I agree these genetics are not very consistent as I'm experiencing myself with my current grow. I still want to order some more FastBud seeds and was thinking about the gorilla glue for my next grow.
@OhcanaDAbiz, It's incredible huh! It's like someone snuck in the tent at night with some purple paint and carefully painted all the buds.. it's still quite a surprising moment every time I open the tent and see all the purple... The next 4 weeks will be really fun to see!!
You'll like this. I get to put my foot in my mouth. I just popped 4 FB blackberry kush seeds. 3 of the 4 are dark green one come out lime green! Beginning to think your right about it just being a different phenotype.I'll try to torture it while it's young to see if I can get her to green up ro redeem myself.
@Philindicus, Hehe interesting. The two light green ones from my grow never responded to the epsom salt foliar spray, or adding it to the nutrient mix. I get the feeling it is a pigment mutation associated with the purple pigment that makes this strain so colourful... Certainly the two lime green plants never showed any less growth or health deficit compared to the other plants. WIll be interested to see if your stays lime like mine (Although they are now a couple weeks into flowering, and the general shade of green has darkened across all the plants now),
Wowww!!! What a complete diary, and it's just week one!! Well done!
Have fun growing our Blackberry Auto =)
If you need any assistance, let us know! ππΌ
Happy Growing ππ±
Nearing the end of my grow with this strain, growing 4 of these and I must say, these plants are very picky, they either are too sensitive to a certain nute or require way more so I had to make separate feeds for each plant at one point which got annoying growing in CoCo since I am feeding often which means I have to make feeds often.
Going to drop down to 3 plants and do two more grows after but next strain I am going to grow is the pineapple express from them, I have a few seeds that I am yet to try of it and hopefully they are more stable.
The smell is AMAZING though and they look amazing (the ones I am growing) but these plants all have had an issue which tells me the genetics aren't as stable as they could be.
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, Yeah when purple lemonade was coming out I saw it in my email and it was available for pre order and now it's officially out but I am awaiting reviews and diaries to see what the end result looks like, it looks way more dense so it is somethnig I would definitely be open to trying because I love genetics that give you dense buds. If they come out with a purple punch I would love to know what the lineage of the genetics are that they are using too because that could be interesting.
I have about a week and a couple of days before I stop feeding and I can just start prepping for harvest, my buds are fairly dense and some plants just thickened out way more but overall they all fattened up nicely and I can't wait.
The WstCoast OG actually caught my eye because of the look of the bud, the density and the high so I hope it goes well for you! I'm gonna do 3 pineapple express next and after that I can do two more grows with 3 plants each of blackberry (not in the mood to do 4 at a time in case I have to make 4 feeds, I rather just do it for 3 plants if anything lol) or I'll grab some new genetics.
So many fastbuds strains I want to try but I also want to give Dutch Passion a shot too and get a Durban Poison auto going.
@TheSweetScience, Yep, pretty much my thoughts exactly. The Blackberry definitely needed way, way less nutrient strength than any other fastbuds strain I've grown, the run-offs were high for the first month and I only used 25% strength. I think this probably was a big factor in the large number of low yielding plants. But that said, the buds were absolutely first class. I had several people say these were simply the best buds they had ever smoked and that's with over ten years of experience. I personally found the Kush indica stone to be the nicest, low anxiety, happy stone and I would happily smoke it always, excepting for its troublesome growing requirements. I am planning to do an WestCoast OG tent next, that has the same Kush lineage as blackberry, and sounds like hopefully a similar stone with more consistent genetics/yield. I see fastbuds just released a new purple strain (purple lemonade), looks like they knew Blackberry was inferior and have been working for awhile to create a replacement. I also saw on another seedbank site that they are expecting a strain called Purple Punch from fastbuds this year as well.
Nice going mate!
You know I just started working with Coco, so I have tons of questions :D
For now, how come the plants have different runoff EC? They are all the same strain, does it mean that they still all eat nutes at such big difference?
Have you noticed if "eating" is in anyway connected to where the plants are located, how near they are optimal light conditions?
I was thinking perhaps the ones directly in the center of the tent, getting best light but also warmest perhaps eat more nutes?
I'm actually looking into if one needs to check runoff with autopots, not sure even how that would be possible since it bottom feeds?!?
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, That is also what I hope I get from autopots, just removing those daily watering and issues with ph and ec.
From what I understand you check ph and ec when u add everything in res and then perhaps double check couple of hours later to make sure everything is good, after that it should take care of it self... I'm planing to change res each week, I think... who knows, lets see how it goes but each week seems like a good idea and perhaps add some strength to the nutes twice a week so the jump to stronger feeding is not that big. But I hope after week 7-8 I can fill res for the time remaining until flush, if I could get all those feeding and checks to once a week or even twice it would be really nice, from what I read halfway through flower u can more or less let it be for couple of weeks...
@ivik80, Ask away :) I'll do my best! Hmmm well, one thing I've noticed with growing autos from seed is that there is a lot of variance per plant - but the majority of the plants (80% approx) will conform to an average and have a fairly similar phenotype and give similar run-off readings. But I always get a few than outside the average - I actually removed two dwarves from this crop of Blackberries because they were so tiny and were growing so poorly. Even then, two of the seven that remain a completely different shade of green to the rest and seem to be eating way less than the other 5. Those two have consistently had EC readings at least 0.4 higher than the other five. The other five are usually within 0.1 EC of each other. Eating doesn't seem to have any correlation to location or light level. But I think I noticed some quicker drying out of pots near the vents - I've since changed from using just one vent fully open, to using all three vents open partially. This seems to have addressed this issue. Hmm I don't think you have run-off with autopots. I guess that is why you said you bump up the perlite level to 50% , because they are saturated all the time. I'm imagining the only thing you need to worry about is the EC and PH of the main reservoir. I'm very keen to see how you go. I've considered autopots for sometime, as the hardest thing I find with growing in coco is the frequency of watering, and how often to do it and at what EC/PH. Autopots would seem to sort out the frequency..
@Wachsemilian, Thank you very much!! I'm really looking forward to getting even better pictures over the next few weeks as the tent fills up with purple buds.