By continuing to use the website or clicking Accept you consent to our cookies and personal data policy and confirm that you are at least 18 year old. For details please see Privacy Policy and Terms
Box fan fell on plant, bending her pretty badly but not breaking the steam. Taped the stem, propped her up, and buried the bend in soil and she got through it. This is what caused the browning on the first few sets of leaves, and the tear in another. The black color I believe is from the temp reaching 60f at night, I added a reptile 100w heat lamp but it only raises the temp at night about 2f.
On Wednesday I was able to get some real soil and wanted to immediately get her out of the miraclegro. Not sure if it was a good idea or not, but I noticed a couple of things when I took her out -
A. The roots seemed to grow straight down to the bottom of the pot, and had started to attach to the bottom of the pot. I mostly attribute this to overwatering because the center of my growing medium wasnt really drying, the fabric was on the floor directly (now lifted by a duct clamp + has a fan blowing on the bottom to promote airflow) and my 50/50 miraclegro/outside dirt was, surprisingly(sarcasm), not super effective at draining things.
B. The roots seem to be struggling to break the peat pots outer shell. I didnt mess with it too much this time, I peeled off a tiny portion just to see but since it was already such a stressful event and some roots were finally poking through the peat I just buried it and let it do its thing. Next time I will cut the outer shell before planting.
I didnt prewater the new soil which I should have, but I did test its moisture and it was damp to begin with. Was able to test old soil with new ph meter and it was 6.5, so that wasnt an issue.
After transplanting I turned the lights off for about 45 minutes to an hour. Ive read conflicting things about leaving them off for a couple of days or just putting it back in the light, I read that an hour of darkness immediately after might help and figured that couldnt hurt. Ive also been spraying much more often to keep RH near 60% and also have a wet towel in a bucket hanging from the top. She immediately dropped after transplanting but honestly didnt look as horrible as I would have expected given how much of the root system had to actually be torn from the fabric pot.. A couple hours later and she looks much better, Im hoping that the trend continues over the next few days. Unfortunately my nutes arent here yet, but as soon as they are they will go into the next feeding.
4/23 First week of real soil, hoping the plant recovers from transplant. From the pictures she looks good, but now a couple hours later she is much droopier - hopefully because of the cold night time temps which will be fixed in the morning.
4/24 Holy moly things are not looking great. She perked up but has got some MAJOR discoloration going on, I'm almost positive I should have waited after the transplant a couple of weeks to feed with nutes. Tomorrow I will give a good amount of clean water, I dont think flushing is a good idea right now as it will only stress the plant further but I dont want it getting burned either. ~~Theres also the possibility that the older leaves are just succumbing to the damage of the fan because the very new growth still looks pretty good, but there is what looks like a magnesium deficiency on the medium leaves.~~
4/25 As sure as I can be that it was nute overload. Leaves are still looking like a mg or phosphorous(more likely due to dark colored leaves I think) deficiency, but the plant definitely perked back up in general after the feeding of pure water. Will keep an eye on it tomorrow to see if the yellowing continues or if the plant can recover. I also have started to take off some of the older leaves that were damaged by the fan as they are starting to completely die and become crunchy.
------
I've learned that root problems can look like nute deficiency, and I think that would explain why its showing so many different symptoms on the old leaves, so maybe once it establishes itself it will do a little better.
4/26 The effected leaves are worsening, getting yellow/blacker and becoming crispy. The new growth however still looks ok, and there is a LOT of growth going on underneath the damaged leaves. Because of these things, I cut out most of the damaged/dying leaves to expose the new growth to more light hopefully. I left the two least effected leaves on to see how they progress.
4/27 Cut off most of the rest of the dead/dying leaves to hopefully allow the new undergrowth to replace it, by the looks of it they werent contributing to photosynthesis very much anyway
4/28 Plant looks SO much better. The new growth no longer has the red stem problem so I think the mg/phosphorous deficiency has been cleared. I cut off more of the old growth that wasnt going anywhere becuase it was blocking fresh growth that will hopefully continue to quickly develop. I also decided to start doing some lst today, never done it before but I was able to use some hemp rope, a bamboo chopstick, and a poked hole in the top of the fabric container to tie the main stem and the biggest stem that was going the opposite direction apart.
4/29 Got some screw eyes from Home depot to replace the chopstick and let me really control the lst. Things are looking good, medium is almost dry but bottom center is still moist. Thank you moisture sensor.
4/30 Stopping all nutes for now, going to give her another week in the new soil before adding a quarter dose again. I got some shelf racks from Lowes so the plants dont have to sit on sharp ventilation clamps and will hopefully have some better airflow. Added some more screw eyes to the pot and used some soft plant twine to continue to tie down more branches to the screw eyes. As long as this continues I cannot recommend the screw eyes enough, I dont even need bolts because you can actually screw them into the fabric but I will probably grab some bolts for some peace of mine anyway. I hope to start some FIMing soon, especially with how much the plant is responding to the lst and the main stem in particular is bending. Not yet though, I want to maybe add another node or at least give her a little longer in case shes still recovering from all the bullshit Ive put her through 😃
5/1 Added a tie to keep the main stem upright at the base and got it to bend at a 90° angle. The plant is looking good and I am quite happy with myself!
5/2 Continued to tie down upward growth, got a lot of growing shoots competing now.
5/3 Signs of mg deficiency are coming back. What is technically the lower growth on the main stem (the growth pointing to the right, away from the main stem) has purple creeping along its stems, and I think I see it on some other stems as well. I unfortunately noticed this right after I watered, but I decided to water again with a little bit of nutrients this time, about half of the recommended seedling dosage for big bloom and grow big. Hopefully it wont start dying overnight again.
5/4 Problem is worsening, but I was able to test my ph and it was sitting at about 5.9 I couldnt get any liquid ph up at the time but I was able to just barely get some fast acting lime which brought the soil up to 6.4 (2 1/2 tsp for the 3 gal pot). Some leaves were starting to curl up and look light burned as well, so I raised my lights a couple inches (after having lowered them a ton the other day)
5/5 Deficiencies do not seem to be progressing, or if they are its very slowly. Growth seems good. Next watering will be clean water, watering after that will be nutes with a little more lime as a top dressing I think, Im not sure if I want to buy ph up or try to figure it out without it. KISS
5/6 New growth looks nice and green. Going to try to find some 20-10-20 fertilizer tomorrow because Im sick of the ph issues from Fox Farms
5/8 I really need to transplant to a 3 gal pot but they are sold out absolutely everywhere. Some will be here in a week but.. in already pushing it. Well see.
5/9 She really needs a bigger pot, just can't get any.. 3 gallons will be here on monday though. So bushy.
5/10 Found some white powdery mildew today, thankfully I caught it early and basically soaked the whole plant in 3% h202. Also turned the extra fan I have in the tent on, I had it off because it is lowering humidity too much but thats better than mildew. Have also started to cut off any growth that isnt recovering well enough from the ph problems to hopefully increase airflow.
5/11 Pretty positive there was no mold, just nutrient residue so that's good. Undid all the ties today and took a couple pictures, will be repotting tomorrow unfortunately the pots didn't come today
5/12 Pots STILL didnt come even though they were in town.
5/13 The pots came! Transplanted and watered her with root and grow which I've had great prior experience with on seedlings
Does white powdery mold brush off? Found some white stuff on my leaves but it easily came off with my finger or some water, its possible that the spots are minerals or something from my water or leftover nutes because I havent been able to get under theleaves to water.
5/14 I've taken most of the bad looking growth from earlier problems off. Growth is really picking up, I don't think she'll fit in the 3 gallon pot for long.
5/15 Not sure whether to cut some of the fan leaves or not, I really don't want to so I have been tucking them under growing shoots. I did my best to replicate mainlining but without actually cutting off a ton of growth, I'm interested to see what happens
5/16 Upotted and watered with clean water, no runoff. Not much I could have done without skipping the 3 gallon container since they took so long to come but I'm thinking I should have gone ahead and skipped the 3 gal a while ago and just let her explode in the big pot. She has to wait for 3 seedlings that are in the same tent to flower anyway so not much harm done.
5/17 Getting big! Smell has increased a ton in the past 24-48 hours.
5/18 Tied some more branches down to try to create the mainline effect now that it's reached the edges on some sides and I can try to choose which growing tips I want to develop. I started pinching some of the lower new growth that I dont want and some more fan leaves to try to give her some breathing room, the bigger fan leaves are causing a lot of space issues.
5/19 Undid all the ties and then retied only the main stem to let the plant start growing upwards while still breaking apical dominance
5/20 Watered for the first time today since upotting, ec going in was about 1.3 and ec coming out was about 8.5 to 9 so there was a teensy built of salt build up I think... Today was the first time using Jack's instead of fox farm, next time I will just flush with a ton of clean water but for now she's not showing any signs of issues so I don't want to mess with it too much. There are a couple of ties on some of the bigger branches and I pushed the stems to be bent a couple of hours before I took the pictures.
5/21 Plants looking good, continuing to press down the stems every few hours to keep them growing outward, it will be easier to tie them to the binder clips once they pass the rim of the pots which some are very close to.
5/22 Really exploding in growth, hard to keep it contained. I have just about every area covered by a major stem now, feels good.
5/23 Showed her sex today! Super exciting because I am not sure the origins of the seed, no idea if its a fem seed or a bag seed from a hermied plant or what.. Regardless, super fricken excited that my first and best plant is a girl. Started pruning some of the budding growth that would end up getting crowded out, even with pushing on the stems and a lot of ties the pot is almost completely full.
5/24 Let this be a lesson to anyone wanting to plant seeds at different times with one tent. I want to flip to flower sooo badly now that I know shes ready, if my other plants were the same age I would because the pot is pretty much filled out but as long as the overall growth can be managed this extra time will let some of the smaller stems thicken up and poke above the massive bush of fan leaves. Hopefully.
5/25 Cut off a good bit of growth after redistributing the big branches to evenly fill the pot. It's clear that its reaching a maximum amount of growing tips, some of the less developed ones have started to dry up and stop growing so I cut them out and have continued to cut off any fan leaves that are starting to wilt off. Watered clean water and the EC is down to about 6.5, so I think a couple more clean waterings will get it to where I can feed it nutes and that should hopefully be pretty close to flower.
5/26 Some signs of calcium deficiency are appearing on the leaves that are seeing direct light, so I decided to water again today to test the runoff in hopes of adding some calmag. The runoff read about 7.5, so I decided to just flush it the best I could and then add some calmag and hope its ok with the overwatering. Took about 6 gallons of water to get the final runoff EC down to about 1.5 and calmag was added to the last gallon and ph'd.
5/27 Battling the hot, humid weather and completely redid the setup of the tent today but not much went on with this plant. Removed any remaining ties after I took the photo, I literally forgot they were there they were so hard to see!
5/28 Leaves are looking a lot better now that they have some room to spread themselves apart, no signs of furthering nutrient problems or overwatering issues.
5/29 Noticed what I'm pretty sure is a potassium deficiency. Freaked me out at first but the browning tips looks exactly like the picture I see online. It's not very widespread so I cut the effected leaves off, I'm hopeful it's residual effects of the insanely high ec. Regardless of the issues the plant is still growing really well and I was able to tie down a main branch around the entire pit almost except one area, but that ended up making it easier to water.
5/30 Potassium deficiency has spread a little but not much. Even though I watered till runoff yesterday (as I always try to do) the plant was dry and light today, so I watered her with nutrient solution at about 1.3 EC and runoff was about 2.2, little too high
6/1 Calcium toxicity. Shows as brown reddish spots and can present as potassium, manganese, iron etc deficiencies which is exactly what I've been seeing. There was quite a few leaves showing the blackish rust color so I cut them all and watered with nute solution at ~.72 EC. Will see if the problem continues to develop, however judging by the color of the growing shoots she is still growing quickly.
6/2 I found a couple of leaves that had evidence of damage but they were so hard to find I could very well have missed them the other days. I cut all effected leaves I could find off again, and will check tomorrow. Rearranged the plants a little to avoid this one from getting blasted by space heater. Untangled all growing shoots.
6/3 Found I think two or three effected leaves, mostly already effected leaves that I had just cut the currently effected blades off of the other days, and one leaf that looked too far damaged to be new damage but I will remain vigilant. Watered clean water, runoff ~1.75EC, almost where I want it.
Is this a potassium deficiency, and if so, how do I fix it?
Ec was 10 as of a week ago, got it down to 1.7 last watering 5 days ago by flushing and fed with Jack's 20-10-20 peat-lite today at 1.3 ec, runoff was 2.2.
Ph is around 6.5.
Pretty sure the calcium issues are fixed.
From what I can tell is that's one of her lower fan leafs? I'm not seeing a sign on anything else really except that one leaf? I'd probably wait to do anything for a few days till she can show you what your recent changes have done. She's looking healthy I'm just guessing she's getting ready to self prune a leaf she no longer needs. Happy growing!
Hello everyone, I have 4 plants in a 3x3 area under three of these lights - https://amzn.to/2MhseVH
360w all together which is what I expected to use during flower, I didnt realise that you dont need to use as much during veg, all plants have had to be flushed with EC's at 10
Looks like you already did what you need to do, flush. Looks like overfeed or lockout starting from salts building. The longer plants are in veg the more problems can arise. Doesn't look like to much light, I run 2000 watts HID lighting in late veg and plants do amazing., no I'll effects. Just great big buds when they start flowering. Cheers
Leaves from all around the plant are showing these symptoms. Much more detailed info in grow diary but current runoff ec is 1.7 and problem is spreading quite badly.
Pretty sure it's a calcium toxicity. Any p toxicity problems should have been fixed when I flushed a week ago. If you check my diary you'll see I flushed only with calmag, and although my tapwater ec reading is low it contains a lot of calcium.
Any other thoughts are appreciated, but the rusty spots in particular I think are unique to calcium.
6/4 Didn't do anything today, saw one very tip of a leaf starting to turn yellow but that's it, lots of light green upward growth. Probably got 5 or 6 stems that are all the same size and then 10 or 20 smaller or thinner ones.
6/5 Watered clean water again, runoff read 1.07, perfect. Jack's will be next feeding, switching to 16/8 today.
6/6 Nothing to report with this plant. I probably could have watered today if I wanted but I think sticking to every other is good. Fertilizer tomorrow.
6/7 Very very thirsty today, has really started ramping up growth I think because it's started killing off a lot off less useful growth as expected. Ec going in was about 1.2 and ph about 6.5, Ec coming out was about 1.2 and ph closer to 7 probably because of the lime.
6/8 Plucked off some more dying leaves that I didnt yesterday, usually I wait till you can barely tug them and they fall off but some of the leaves are very old and have thick branches, I figured it best to just cut those ones out. Plant has almost filled in the cent gap entirely, if it doesnt it will be close.
6/9 Watered with clean water to be extra wary of salt buildup, runoff measured about .98 ec so a little lower than I'd like it but a good indication I could give some nutes with every feeding I think
6/11 Watered with 1 gallon nutrient solution 1 liter clean water because the 1 gal wasn't enough to runoff. Read 1.3 going on, 1.75 coming out. Switching to 12-12 tomorrow.
What the heck is going on here? Can't tell if this is some kind of deficiency or a fungal problem, it has been very humid as of late where I live and sits around 70% RH and 80°f
Got the EC under control and switched to every third day water instead of every other. Definitely seems like flowering was stunted by a copper deficiency stemming from salt buildup, hopefully now that it's taken care of she will catch up with the other plants.
7/13 and 14 - finally starting to see some bud development again, will probably have to harvest her later than the others but I'm not too concerned about it, as long as she still is able to develop them.
7/15 Still developing slower than the other plants but at least shes showing a bit of development. Thinking about moving her to her own tent and just seeing what happens to give the other plants more room.
7/17 Split up the plants, now she has her own tent and much more space.
7/21 There is at least some bud development happening thankfully, but since she's in the veg tent now what she gets in extra room she loses in DLI. just going to accept what happens, maybe move her into the flowering tent again once the others are finished up but I'm not too worried about it.
7/22 had to cut a majority of the branches off because they could no longer support the weight of the buds. When I took her out to water they all snapped :/ they are drying though, and hopefully the buds that remain will continue to develop.
Struggled with spacing in my 3x3 tent with 4 plants so this girl got relegated to the veg tent for a while, took a lot longer to finish developing but got a couple of weeks to herself in the flower tent after the other plants came down and she ended strong.
ZhugeTsuki
