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Topping
weeks 3, 6
FIMing
weeks 6
Soil
Grow medium
Strain
00seeds2 - 00 KUSH
Wonder Pie
Green House Seed Co.
Growing it
Easy
Resistance
Strong
This was a very easy strain to grow. The powder food provided by Green House Seed Co was surprisingly easy to use (like WAY easier than the 5-part liquid system I've been using for a few years). I coincidentally happened to be growing a yardful of hybrids this pandemic summer outdoors so I tried out the food on a couple other girls I was growing and everything seemed to go well. The Wonder Pie's (2) were the most lush though, and ripened first after a late summer heat wave followed by a ridiculous thunder/lightning storm which basically set California on FIRE from lightning strikes, from which we are still tasting smoke daily (that happened like two weeks ago). ๐Ÿ‘น Basic growing notes > I grew two girls, largely because I was worried my original batch of seeds wasn't germinating. But I was wrong and ended up with another girl that popped out strong in a second batch. The only real difference between these girls is that one is basically 7-8 days behind the other (which turned out to be significant when the hot weather came), and the first one (which I call big girl) is in a 10 gallon pot, and the 2nd (which I call v2) is in a 7 gallon pot, both fabric. Structurally - both these girls were rock solid and needed no additional support for buds when things got heavy and windy. They could drink heavier than I was probably feeding them. The spacing between nodes made maintenance and harvest easier than some other strains.
The Outcome
Week 16
Harvest
What's on the scales?
634
gram
ounce
Bud dry weight
Harvested
2
Number of plants harvested
317
g / plant
Tastes like
Cream
Herbs
Nutty
Feels like
50% Sativa 50% Indica

Positive effects

Giggly
Happy
Relaxed
Nutrients
This stuff is extremely easy to use and worked well with 3 different hybrids I was growing (I grew a White Widow and a Gorilla Glue in addition the the Wonder Pie's in this diary). You DO need a scale that can measure grams but who doesn't have one of those if you're serious about growing stuff (how would you measure your hash?) The beauty of powder is that you can re-measure if you OOPS something and put too much on the scale. Try that with liquid... like try putting it back in the bottle/container. In fact, just transferring liquid food from larger to smaller containers requires more care than dealing with powder. This turned out to be a significant issue, and I will investigate using Green House Seed Company powder in other areas of my yard next summer.
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dalemac dalemac
4 years ago
September 2 >> Well it was an eventful summer, pandemic notwithstanding. I harvested the big girl 8 days ago on Tuesday August 25th and she's been hanging to dry in my old grow shed (soon to be retired) until today - September 2. Today I harvested v2 late morning after disassembling my old grow tent to make room and keep her in the dark a few extra hours. I was planning to use my Trim Bag on the big girl when I de-budded her this morning but I decided that while she's ready for hand trimming she's not really dry enough to get good use outa the trim bag - which needs drier buds to be more effective. So I had the (I call it) brilliant idea of pulling out my hanging dry bag and throwing the big girl buds in there to dry for maybe a couple more days... (brilliant part ->) in my front bedroom which would have previously been a forbidden activity if my wife was still in the house. But she's not, and won't be anytime soon... and DAMN does my front bedroom smell nice. ๐Ÿ˜ It's also a nicer place to start curing herb - never get's as hot as the shed outside. That's why I'm moving my (future upgraded) grow tent into my garage which also never gets as hot as that shed - because I have a foam roof on my house (with a few solar panels thrown in). ๐Ÿ˜Ž =============================================== There will be multiple future updates as we trim and weigh things. I'm making up any effects or tastes at present. I wouldn't dare taste anything until it's had a few weeks to cure. ๐Ÿ™ =============================================== September 5 >> I think I'm in something of a state of shock after hand trimming the big girl today in between horse races at Churchill Downs (It was Kentucky Derby Day today oddly enough). I probably have to go back thru my diaries to check this but I'm going to guess that in the past I've ended up with roughly equal weights of buds and trim on average. In this case - not even close... big girl yielded 443 grams of buds against 117 grams of trim. These nuggets are firm and dense, and after a couple hours, and a few fine Dutch beers, I was basically trimming these babies in my hand just rolling them around and plucking what needed to come off. Scissors be gone. That was freaking easy. Nearly a pound of herb outa that one girl. Yum. And hot damn that was only the first plant. I turned out to be correct in my assumption that using my TrimBag would not have been a help here. I'm going to assume the same would happen with v2... but we'll see how she makes it thru hang drying in the heat the next couple days. Unfortunately I have a golf tournament tomorrow in Napa and it's gonna be like 105 degrees. I usually melt around 90 so it's likely to be a struggle. =============================================== September 7 >> Happy Labor Day for those of you still laboring. Golf went well yesterday, I kicked some ass in the heat, shot 5 over and won our two-person team match 5 & 3. ๐Ÿ˜ฌ When I came home after that round it was like 108 in my shed, and as noted elsewhere the bud condition was "crispy", so I debudded her yesterday afternoon and moved her indoors, but just ran her thru the TrimBag today and then just hand trimmed the remaining quickly. So the final results.... in terms of weights... Big girl was grown in a 10 gallon pot and yielded 443 grams of buds and 117 grams of trim - trimmed by hand. v2 was grown in a 7 gallon pot and yielded 191 grams of buds and 130 grams of trim - trimmed via TrimBag. (I should note there was some significant spillage of trim here - see pics) I think I'll give this baby a week or two before we taste test her. Need to get a buddy or three involved. ================================================ September 18 >> Time to make some hash from the trim on these girls. Broke out the washing machine and ran two loads with at least 10 minutes of agitation each run. Gathered roughly the same quantity of hash on each run. Really just added another bag of ice for the 2nd wash. Chopped it up and letting it dry 72 hours in the garage - I'll weigh it all after that. September 21 >> The hash weighed in at just under 13 grams all dried out: 160 micron - 0.56 g 120 Micron - 2.29 g 73 micron - 5.34 g 25 micron - 4.79 g ================================================ I've been trying to study the taste of this girl but I sometimes wonder if I destroyed most of my taste buds at an earlier age. It's kinda like biting into pie crust and missing the pie... hehe ... I'm sure the manufacturer won't appreciate that... but's it's a very tasty pie crust all the same...and since I'm sitting on like a pound of this stuff it's a good thang she's tasty. I seeded a couple friends with samples here but I'm still awaiting results. Not exactly like waiting for Trump to tell the truth about something... but at least I can trust what they would tell me. ๐Ÿ˜ท October 7 >>> Notes from a friend... As requested, some tasting notes: Initially very pungent with a โ€œlicoriceโ€ note - aroma permeates everything and lingers for days. Faded out after a few days on Boveda. Now has a slight citrusy note. Nice tight buds with plenty of flower - red-purple color. Smokes very smooth, both vaping and in a joint, nice flavor. The high for me feels stimulating, creative, clear-headed. Nicely potent. No paranoia and no nausea. Excellent weed! ======================================================================= TWIAH >> hehe ... final installment. I received my 2020 ballot in the mail today (and filled it out while I was watching Kamala eat Mr. Pence during tonite's VP debate). Oh baby I've been waiting 4 years for this moment. I'm 63 now. I was a child when the Nixon thing went down. This is AT LEAST an order of magnitude, probably TWO worse than that, in terms of government malfeasance. We'll still be adding up the damage from this experience after I'm buried I'm fairly certain. We get what we deserve, and we deserve a pretty good kick in the ass. There is a chance after this jack&ss has destroyed so much of our government that we can repair it for the future, but this is the same thing that happened after Nixon. People put in place firmer rules that (cough) RELIED on the integrity of politicians (there's no such thing as integrity in TrumpLand). We got a vivid demonstration of that failure when the Senate Republicans balked during the impeachment hearings. So there's only one group left standing in the way. Those pesky voters. ......... Wish us luck please... I think we're gonna be OK... but you wanna be on the right side of karma don't you? ๐Ÿ˜ โœŠ ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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Bushbaby808
Bushbaby808week 12
Peace to you and your family brother....๐Ÿ˜Š Unfortunately we live in a crazy world filled with many a fool but we'll stay strong and keep our heads up to the sky!! O Yes ๐ŸŒž
Growingkitten
Growingkittenweek 5
Looking good! ๐Ÿ˜บ
Northern_Ent
Northern_Entweek 16
Congrats on the nice harvest. Iโ€™m looking for clarification about the powders. I was sent the organic nutes (BioGrow and BioBloom) and I agree theyโ€™re great. The directions were a bit vague but I read it as you mix the BioGrow powder into the soil at the start. Soil concentrations are usually expressed in mg/kg and water is in units of mg/L so when the instructions were in units of g/L of substrate it seemed odd but correct. When blooming, you apply BioBloom as a top dressing on the soil, and maybe a second application a few weeks later for longer flowering strains. I get the impression some people like you and Mrs_Larimar mixed it in with the water. Itโ€™s apparent that both ways work, but Iโ€™m not clear on how you used it. The way I did it is almost zero extra effort beyond pHing the water but I find it hard to resist the urge to mix in some molasses too. Anyway, congrats and nice job. Oh, and do you like the debudder lid and does it also work on wet buds?
dalemac
dalemac
@Northern_Ent, My kit came with a 35 page "Product Guide" that seems to cover instructions for both their mineral and bio lines (everything). Page 15 in my guide is for hybrids in soil... which is or was me. It gives me the amount of grams of powder per gallon of fluid administered, for every week of the life of the plant. Part that threw me off was I looked at this chart and it says flush in week 10 of flowering - but my girls didn't last that long. It's possible I misjudged the start of flowering, and/or the heat wave we experienced advanced the age of the plants a week or two. I may mess with the bio line next year. I'm replacing some planters in my yard that are disintegrating from age, and I might just try growing a plant in a half wine barrel planter next year. But I'll have to think about how to tend to critters in containers that large (got all winter). It would make more sense to NOT be mixing stuff in with fluid regularly when you have to feed such a large container.
Northern_Ent
Northern_Ent
@dalemac, maybe the instructions are different for the organic powders. Did the powders you used come with the concentrations needed in water, or did you calculate that? Maybe if you want easy you should try the organic powders next year. Mix with soil at start, and top dressing for bloom. Couldnโ€™t be any easier really.
dalemac
dalemac
@Northern_Ent, Well if you're mixing me in with Mrs_Larimar I must be doing something right. ๐Ÿ˜‰ But yes - I mixed this stuff directly with water. Can't help with soil application. I guess my "system" as it is is largely calibrated to how much a plant drinks. I start this early in the year...giving my girls increasing amounts of fluid until it starts to pool in the container I use to hold those fluids. Once I have a normal dose of daily fluid calculated (usually between 1.5 and 2 gallons) I can calculate how much powder to feed them and then you do that on an alternate feed/water schedule. One thing I did this summer was I used two days of water to every day of feeding - rather than a 50% ratio (recommended) - why? - because I feel it's always safer to err on the side of less nutrients to avoid nutrient burn. In the case at hand - specific math - I may not have gauged exactly when flowering started but there's not a whole lotta change going on in weeks 6-7 in the instructions, which say 1.9 grams of both hybrid powder AND booster per gallon of fluid. I did a lotta math early in the year because I wanted to use the powder with some other hybrids and I need to make sure I could make it to the end of the road with the original intentions. The "Feeding Schedule/Professional Grower" for hybrids doesn't indicate that plants need to be flushed until week 10 of flowering. I'm sorry but that's not even close with the weather we've been experiencing... it's advanced the age of most plants a couple weeks near as I can tell. I like the debudder - but I wouldn't bother with wet buds - not sure it would be worth the effort.
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 16
Crossing Fingers, for voting for the right President... iam even crossing my toes......
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimar
@dalemac, I really cant imagine , seeing armed civil persons in the streets....... thats so strange for me
dalemac
dalemac
@Mrs_Larimar, I kinda expect that there is a large reservoir of fireworks stashed away for this event. Last 4th of July during the pandemic was crazy. I just hope all the armed yahoo's looking for a revolution don't mistake the jubilation for something else. โœŠ ๐Ÿ˜Ž
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimarweek 16
Hi, after I saw your Pictures with the Trimbag, i was unpacking mine,,, and heyyyy hahaha putting the debudder on alid of a Bucket.........maaan i havent known that,,, loool.......... I tried the trimbag . but i think my weed was to wet to work...... So happy curing
Mrs_Larimar
Mrs_Larimar
@dalemac,well i dont throw away any weed or sugarleaves , too. My newest " baby" is a wet trimmer--- i saw it last year and gave it a chance this year i show the function in my previous harvests ( i think it was " doctors choice" or doctors niagara.... Instead of 1,5 hours of trimming it took us 10 minutes.... i love that thing
dalemac
dalemac
@Mrs_Larimar, hehe... I actually have two TrimBags from two different contests here. I don't bother with it for autoflowers because they are generally a lot smaller than my summer photoperiod girls and trimming by hand isn't a big deal there. But you are correct in that the buds need to be more dry than I usually like to get them in order for the TrimBag to function properly. I tried it on a number of girls last summer and found a kinda sweet spot (I probably wrote this up in my biggest diary last summer, which would have been Double Amnesia). I think the manufacturer uses the term "crispy" when referring to preferred bud condition for using the bag. Thank god for Boveda. In the case of Wonder Pie here, I decided the buds on big girl weren't dry enough and hung them up indoors (in humane temperatures) for a couple extra days, then trimmed them by hand because I had some time on my hands... meanwhile v2 was hang drying outside and it's been over 100 degrees for the 3rd day in a row. When I got home from golf yesterday the buds on v2 were "crispy"... I didn't even wanna transfer them to my inside hanging bag... I just ran them thru the Trimbag and started trimming them. Result? I spent 4 hours + trimming the big girl, and I spent all of ONE hour trimming v2 after the Trimbag. Now big girl get's credit for being bigger (10 gallon vs 7 gallon container), but that's some serious time saving. Especially for older folks like moi. The bud yield on big girl was 443 grams and v2 came in at 191 grams. Where the "violence" of the Trimbag shows up is in the amount of trim generated. Hand trimming big girl was 117 grams trim and Trimbagging v2 was 130 grams trim (I should note that this doesn't include the trim I (ahem) spilled on my deck). I generally prefer to trim by hand... but I give most of my herb away to friends so I'm not afraid to waste a bit during the trim process to save some time. I'll turn all that trim into something tasty anyway so no waste there. Thanks for stopping by. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
MrBlocc420
MrBlocc420week 12
Impressive dale ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ your ladies always look like there enjoy that good old sunshine โ˜€๏ธ Great work my friend
MrBlocc420
MrBlocc420
@dalemac,one day I will be able to do the same ๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿพ
dalemac
dalemac
@MrBlocc420, yeah - the sunshine never really gets boring out here in California. We generally welcome the morning fog because we know it's not gonna rain and it's what keeps us cool. There are places that get too much fog and you wouldn't wanna grow outdoors there (like along the coast in SF and San Mateo counties) - but I picked the micro-climate I wanted to retire in about 20 years ago. No AC required. No significant humidity (like the east coast). No heat required for more than half a year. No bugs to speak of either. My little piece of paradise. Flush with herb. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
Bushbaby808
Bushbaby808week 9
Love that, they're sucking that shit up!! ๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ‘. Beautiful as always buddy and I must say you're blessed with some amazing weather there, you lucky man and rightly so.....๐ŸŒž. That powder feed sounds interesting I'll have to investigate!!
Bushbaby808
Bushbaby808
@dalemac, I like your style my friend!!! ๐Ÿ‘๐ŸŒž
dalemac
dalemac
@Bushbaby808, I'll have to start including a group shot of my 5 girls on the patio because they're taking up so much room.... and damn it's only the middle of July. But if you have to quarantine... you may as well do it with a handful of pretty girls. ๐Ÿ˜
Northern_Ent
Northern_Entweek 16
No bigeee, just an order of magnitude more yield than the indoor plants...๐Ÿค 
dalemac
dalemac
@Northern_Ent, LOL... yeah I learned after my first full summer outdoor grow that the yield dwarfs what I can produce indoors. So I play with autoflowers in the off-season. I'm getting ready for a rest though. Been a long summer with a little too much heat (and smoke). ๐Ÿ˜Ž
Fleurs
Fleursweek 16
Nice work man๐Ÿ‘ The smoke has been horrible and the hottest summer I can remember. Glad to see it didn't affect this beautiful plant. I bet its gonna smoke like a dream!โœŒ๏ธ
dalemac
dalemac
@Fleurs, Yeah I'm getting really tired of all the non-cannabis smoke in the air. I've been spending my accumulated "points" at my local Harborside dispensary on pre-rolls to use for an after dinner smoke because what the hell - better smoke - but my lungs are not happy with the decision. ๐Ÿ˜›
Organic_LarF
Organic_LarFweek 15
High, Maybe its a stupid question, but whats up with that v2. Is it a different version or just a second plant? No signs of hermafrodiet? I got 1 with lots of seeds. Fully matured seeds that is. Nice looking plants. Maybe its more a outdoor strain that needs gentle transition from veg to flower by the sun. Not the instant switch. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ™
dalemac
dalemac
@Organic_LarF, There are no stupid questions. ๐Ÿ˜Ž Nothing wrong with v2, she's just a second plant that I germinated because I wasn't sure my initial batch of seeds survived. Technically she's only about a week younger than the big girl that got the bigger container (as far as when they jumped outa their shells). Kinda fortunate she wasn't as fat when the thunderstorms rolled in. Wouldn't have been a problem if I'd been there to shake the water off the plants, but I wasn't. She's looking great now, and I'm going to flush her today after inspecting trichomes on everybody yesterday. Big girl is still hang drying with a few more days before trimming so v2 is on almost the same life schedule as the bigger girl.... within a few days. Getting into that busy (sticky) time of year. ๐Ÿ˜„
Northern_Ent
Northern_Entweek 14
Nice job. The amount of water that my Wonder Pie #1 transpires is amazing, especially compared to my nearby Flash Seeds plants which are twice as big and use half as much water. Seriously, and with both sets of plants at the early flower stage. So seeing that youโ€™re using similar amounts of water is helpful. And mine started out about two weeks behind yours but they seem to be falling further behind....hopefully they will finish fast but fall comes pretty fast here and I think these might not make it. Oh well, all part of the fun I suppose.
dalemac
dalemac
@Northern_Ent, I have a feeling my big girl is a lot closer to harvest than I might think. Took a quick look at trichomes yesterday and saw the full range - clear - cloudy - some amber. I think this heat wave we're going thru has thrown the big girl at least into defense... fighting to save the buds from the heat after the initial wilt experience. We usually only get a max of 3 days of heavy heat (above 90F) before the fog comes rolling back in with a vengeance... but we're in day 5 and with any luck that fog comes in tonight. We need it because the world has been burning - so bad that I was actually able to shake soot from a fire somewhere off my girls this morning - probably from the Santa Cruz area because everything has been coming up from the south. Visibility was less than one mile when I took my dogs out today. There's a good chance I may decide to flush the big girl after further trichome inspection. She's carrying a fair amount of weight already - although I'm at least a few weeks behind what the feeding "schedule" says in that she could theoretically be flowering for a few more weeks. There will clearly be a couple weeks separation between harvest of the big girl and v2.
Northern_Ent
Northern_Entweek 10
Nice. I was thinking my Wonder Pies look a little extra green today, and youโ€™re mentioning it in your group pic (awesome btw). Isnโ€™t that due to excess N and is there anything to be done and/or needs doing? I assume that the plants will do fine despite being dark green. Nice to see that youโ€™ve got buds starting so hopefully my northern plants two weeks behind yours can make it to the finish line. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
dalemac
dalemac
@Northern_Ent, I was actually liking the darker green color in this case. The Wonder Pie's seem healthier than the other girls by and large - although some of the other girls have had minor issues. In the case of my Gorilla Glue, I'm switching her over to Green House Feed because I didn't like how she was reacting to my old nutrient routine. I decided to use the Green House stuff on my White Widow from the beginning... these are all hybrids (and the Wonder Pie's) and the feed these wonderful folks provided are tailored to hybrids. Who am I to argue. ๐Ÿ˜Ž So I'm basically reduced to using my standard Emerald Harvest nutrients on the only sativa I'm growing this summer, and a very nice Jack Herer she seems to be turning into. However... that means she's gonna be lonely at the breakfast table... so to speak. She'll be fine. ๐Ÿ˜
Northern_Ent
Northern_Entweek 7
Great plants,but mostly Iโ€™ll comment on your diary entry. Putin clearly has some really good kompromat on Trump. My guess is that it starts with video of him with an underage girl in 1988 during his first visit to Moscow. As soon as he got back to the US he took out an ad attacking US government policies. Likely not a coincidence. That and money laundering.
dalemac
dalemac
@Northern_Ent, Ummm... I'm afraid American politics has "jumped the shark" to use a phrase from my college days (1975-1980) when things were comparatively simple. You're probably correct in most of your thoughts, but there's NO doubt in my mind it goes MUCH FURTHER than anybody wants to actually contemplate, because it's uglier than most of us want to imagine. Mother$ucker has managed to turn our world into a 3rd world country in less than 4 years - to the point where other countries have to consider blockading US folks because we're too stupid as a country to get our sh*t under control. Amazing how fast everything I was taught as a child could be burned to the ground. Hey... but other than that... getting old in general sucks. Cannabis farming is a primary hobby, along with golf, biking, and horse racing. Most of my world is functioning but I'm lucky. Regarding Trump... one thing I should point out. The day he went too far was the day he ordered Federal forces to attack peaceful protesters in a park in DC. That will go down in US history as the day he really screwed the pooch (to use another phrase from the same era). That's the kind of event that INSPIRES Americans... reminds (some of) us where we came from... every time he pulls one of those clown acts the response will get even larger. That much I know... I'll be there. โœŠ
Northern_Ent
Northern_Entweek 8
As a lazy but creative working engineer, I fly by the โ€˜seat of my pantsโ€™ supplemented by daily soil moisture probe readings starting this year. My $15 Luster Leaf meter from the hydro shop seems to work great. Although itโ€™s rained so much here in Alberta that I havenโ€™t had to do much watering lately. I like the look of your plants and Iโ€™m intrigued by the differences with my plants. Mine are two weeks behind but I think a lot of the difference is the light here at 53N is more red shifted. I also think that I will have to force flower my plants (to ensure harvest by about end of September) which will be a hassle but that is TBD.
dalemac
dalemac
@Northern_Ent, The difference is probably attributable to light and water. I'm considerably south of you on the North American scale, and the beauty of California is it doesn't rain here for like half a year. Every freaking year. Cannabis has no problem with water until the flowers come... then it can become problematic. But it won't rain (at all) where I live until like October unless there's a freak storm that spins out down south... and I might even welcome those. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
ElMetitor
ElMetitorweek 3
Hi, Nice plant Dude , but i think the last 2 plants are must FIMing ?? I think you could also add the FIMing section, not a criticism eh ๐Ÿ˜, that's clear๐Ÿ˜‚, just my opinion. I wish you a nice grow and strongs plants ๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿ‘ฝ๐Ÿ’ช
dalemac
dalemac
@ElMetitor, hehe... I generally try NOT to FIM (personal preference), and I'm not sure we'll be able to tell how close the cut was until we see what grows out of it and whether it shows deformation. But I'm less worried about it with a photoperiod that I know will still be vegging a few weeks. I waited too long to try topping some autoflowers and I didn't like the result.
Rap_a_cap
Rap_a_capweek 16
@dalemac wrote: "Need to get a buddy or three involved..." Man, give me a whistle I'm taking the plane, I'm taking some frosty Royal Gorilla with me ๐Ÿ˜
blendmedmedman
blendmedmedmanweek 15
man sorry about the buds, the rest look real nice
PirateJoe
PirateJoeweek 15
That is beautiful stuff.
Blacklisted
Blacklistedweek 14
gettin there ! lovely grows as always man !
krulll
krulllweek 13
good job, looks great