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This grow is a comparison between going 12/12 from seed, to a regular 4 week or so veg cycle.. Same genetics, same nutrients, same container size, etc. Will try to control all variables best as I can to be the same, aside from one starting under 12/12, the other waiting and doing a standard veg cycle at 18 hours of lights
Chugging right along with the 12/12 from seed compared to 4-5 week veg cycle.
Blue Dream in reg veg cycle is showing a bit of dark purple/ bluish color in the center/new growth.
All things look well!
Blue Dream 12/12 from seed comparison to regular approx 4 week veg cycle..
12/12 BD is significantly smaller now, showing the lack of light in its growth
Reg veg cycle showing a bit of blue/purple color in the new growth
This is a comparison between blue dream going 12/12 from seed vs regular veg cycle for approximately 4 weeks
Reg veg BD took off like crazy in growth over the last week.. more than double the size I’d say of the 12/12 counterpart.. everything is looking real healthy tho, no concerns
Will likely move the reg veg cycle one into the flower tent after this week
Mid week update
December 6th - decided to do a flush on all my Coco plants because a few were showing higher run off numbers than I’d like to see. Just ran about 2 times the container size worth of room temp tap water..
December 8th - transferred “regular veg cycle “ blue dream to flower tent for 12/12 from here on out
She did exactly 4 weeks of 18/6 from the date of sprouting thru rock wool, closer to 5 if counting from germination date
Anyone have an idea what is going on with these leaves? It looks like a stain but up close with super zoom, you can see almost little white dots. Can mites start on top of leaves? There’s nothing underneath the leaves
Thanks
I think frigault may have been right about the nutrient salts drying on it.. it’s possible they contacted the plant in a concentrated form.. has not spread further tho
So much positive growth this week! The 12/12 plant is definitely catching up in size now that they are both in 12/12.
Reg veg cycle did 4 weeks from sprouting in 18/6
12/12 has done 12/12 from seed
I’ve don’t hardly any defoliation on these but anything I do to one I will do to the other. Can’t wait to see some bud formation!
As seen in the last two photos tho, the reg veg cycle plant has twice the thickness in almost all its stems and main “trunk” compared to 12/12 plant
Weekly temps/ RH In last photo
So I did some substantial defoliation.. just taking fan leaves off the main stem of the plant. The new branch growths we’re getting no light because fan leaves were so big and node spacing so tight
Everything I did to the reg veg I did to 12/12
They are both about the same height at this point - 12/12 plant probably has an inch on the reg veg.
Reg veg plant still quite a bit thicker main stem and branch stems
Flower definitely further along on 12/12
I’d say by about a week or so.
Both plants are continuing to grow strong they are both now in flower.
The 12/12 plant
-is definitely further along as far as blood structure and maturity of buds
-Seems to have a little bit darker green leaves you can tell in the pictures although much less leaves in general, leaves on the 1212 also have a little bit wider structure almost like an Indica
-appears to have about eight nodes total, I did remove maybe one or two on the very bottom in the beginning of the grow
-The 1212 plant is a bit taller not by much though, the bottom couple node’s have stretched out far to create their own kinda independent colas, however the top several nodes look like they’ll probably all turn into one large cola as flowering progresses, the reg veg plant has more independently branching nodes on the bottom probably 5 nodes
Reg veg plant
-As mentioned just previously the bottom five nodes or so are spreading far from main stem to grow independently, only top few nodes will likely all form one big cola
-fan leaves on this grow bigger in size although they are a little skinnier than the ones on the 12/12 plant
-It appears there are about 10 total knows the tent being the very top new growth where it’s boring, as mentioned before I did cut one or two nodes in the early stages of growth on both of these
-A lot more bushy looking and growing in the middle area of the plant, almost where all the lower branches kind of get congested together
I started supplementing most of my grows with Foxfarm tiger bloom and big bloom, in lighter doses than are recommended, but they are being used in unison with MaxiBloom and some supplemental GH products
I’m excited to see how these end up developing flowers, I have another blue dream going in DWC , if you want to check that out I have another diary for that one, it’s getting huge!
Thanks for checking these out!
Happy new year
The buds are certainly starting to take shape on both of these right now, the 1212 plant has a little bit more developed buds. They also have much longer pistils on the buds that are developed as opposed to the regular veg cycle one.
Did the week three defoliation where I stripped basically all the fan leaves from the lower growths.
As mentioned last week I think that the 12/12 plant is basically going to have one big long cola that develops on the top half of the plant and then maybe a few branches coming from the lower area.
On the other hand the regular veg cycle plant has like five nodes worth of branches so about 10 branches before it starts to all kind of form into one stem with buds forming without any branch.
The leaves on the 12/12 plant seem a little bit darker, and a little bit wider more like Indica leaves as opposed to the regular veg cycle plant.
Hey folks, hope all is well
So this is the comparison grow for blue dream from ILGM. We are comparing a 12/12 from seed plant with a plant that underwent a regular four week veg cycle.
Now there’s a couple things I wanted to touch on first about the whole comparison/experiment here. There are some factors that are limiting this from being real great comparison and I understand that but I just wanted to get an idea if there’s any substantial difference in bud quality and other things.
So I definitely should’ve used larger containers. These are 2 gallon containers so in reality these are limiting the plants potential quite a bit – especially the regular veg cycle plant. It would’ve probably picked up a little more size in the veg state, and I believe it would have stretched more during the early flower stretch.
So it’s quite advantageous for the 12/12 plant, because it wasn’t receiving those extra six hours of light before it started flowering it didn’t grow as much, and the container size wasn’t as limiting a factor as it was to Reg veg plant.
So before this I’ve never done a 1212 from seed, and my understanding was it basically is initiating flower around week three.. So I was expecting the reg veg one to be about a week behind given that I put it in the flower tent during week four. Now I’m starting to think it might be quite a bit more behind than a week but it’s really hard to say. The buds look way better on the 12/12 plant - more mature, more filled out.
I also have to talk about the fact that I did more defoliation and pruning on the reg veg plant. It has a few more nodes total than the 12/12 plant and it was very dense and bushy once flower began. I tried to keep everything fair and do what I did to each plant the same - but at some point they become quite a different plant and you can’t do the exact same thing because they’re not the exact same plant.
Also I believe these are pretty distinctly different phenotypes. It is hard to tell because of the fact that one’s 12/12 and one did the vegetative cycle. That said the 12/12 plant has darker leaves, a little bit wider fan leaves (like more indica).
Now I’ve also noticed that The rag veg plants seems to have a little more frosty sugar leaves then the 12/12 plant. It’s hard to see if that’s a factor of vegging out longer or if it’s just a different phenotype. Also the sugar leaves around the buds are forming a little bit differently kind of more what I noticed with Indica plants where they stack really heavily around the buds, whereas hybrids and sativa‘s don’t have as congested fan leave presence around bud - if that makes sense. It’s basically like just more congested with sugar leaves around the buds on the reg veg plant. Whereas the 12/12 has more sporadic sugar leaves protruding from the buds.
Honestly if I had to choose just one of these to move forward at this point I think I’d go for the 12/12 plant. It just seems to be growing the best without the need of human intervention, and honestly it looks like they’re gonna be close to yielding the same amount.
Thanks for stopping by and checking out the diary!
Quick update this week
Distinct phenos showing at this point.. the 12/12 has fatter - likely more airy buds, while reg veg has some tight indica like buds and branch structure
Reg veg has some gorgeous blue/purple hues on buds and leaves
Will report back on smoke after a full cure.
These were two very distinct phenotypes of blue dream, one had dense buds like I usually see more in Indicas. The other had lighter more airy buds
These were also purposely kept us very small plants growing in basically 1 gallon of soil in a 2 gallon container. I wasn’t going for quantity on this one just a comparison between 12/12 and reg veg cycle. Unfortunately because they turned out to distinctly different plants it’s hard to say what was caused by what.
That said the regular veg cycle plant turned out gorgeous in color and real nice dense buds
Smoke report-
I absolutely love this strain. For a long time I considered myself an indica guy.. which is true. But I stayed away from sativas because I can get in my head and paranoid with some strains.
I’ve come to the realization that you can’t really just judge strains by their percentage of indica/sativa.. it depends on the person ingesting it - as well as that specific strain. I’ve had 100% indicas make my head race and paranoid/anxious in the way I thought was only supposed to be a sativa trait.
Anyhow - point is that this is such a clear headed high and I’m starting to realize there are a lot of strains I’d like to try that fall on the sativa dominant side.
This is supposed to be 70/30 sativa dominant. I do like how it isn’t really sedating and keeps me from feeling dumbed down. That is another aspect of some strains I despise is that loss of mental sharpness. That’s not a factor with this bud. Doesn’t give me munchies either which I don’t mind sometimes getting the munchies, but after a day of eating clean and healthy - I hate to ruin it all right before bed by demolishing half the fridge after I smoke a bit.
It’s an uplifting and kind of creative high for me, it has a higher ~2% cbd content.
As you can see the phenos were so different visually and physically. Interestingly the high was very similar - the blue buds from the reg veg were definitely a bit stronger - probably a few percentage points higher of THC.
————UPDATE————
If I could change rating on many of these ILGM grows I would. While particular phenos were great, there’s wayyyy too much variation. Not to mention about half of my plants from ILGM seed threw bananas/intersex traits appeared. I believe ILGM is subcontracting out breeding to anyone.. so who knows where these seeds are coming from.
Just become pretty disillusioned by the seed industry in the past 6-9 months.. it’s a shit load of marketing and little in the way of respectable genetics.
Tho I rarely pay for seeds anymore, I will only work with breeders from here on out. Not “seed banks” who label their own lines as theirs but buy wholesale from god knows who.
I get there’s a place for all that - but I want the best genetics possible. A company that spends little on marketing and advertising, and almost entirely on their craft of breeding seeds.. weeding out the inferior, running down several generations for stability, etc etc.. let the results speak for themselves.
Alright I feel like that was a nice rant. Research what you’re buying folks. If you don’t give much of a shit.. I understand that too.
These were two very distinct phenotypes of blue dream, one had dense buds like I usually see more in Indicas. The other had lighter more airy buds
These were also purposely kept us very small plants growing in basically 1 gallon of soil in a 2 gallon container. I wasn’t going for quantity on this one just a comparison between 12/12 and reg veg cycle. Unfortunately because they turned out to distinctly different plants it’s hard to say what was caused by what.
That said the regular veg cycle plant turned out gorgeous in color and real nice dense buds
————UPDATE————
If I could change rating on many of these ILGM grows I would. While particular phenos were great, there’s wayyyy too much variation. Not to mention about half of my plants from ILGM seed threw bananas/intersex traits appeared. I believe ILGM is subcontracting out breeding to anyone.. so who knows where these seeds are coming from.
Just become pretty disillusioned by the seed industry in the past 6-9 months.. it’s a shit load of marketing and little in the way of respectable genetics.
Tho I rarely pay for seeds anymore, I will only work with breeders from here on out. Not “seed banks” who label their own lines as theirs but buy wholesale from god knows who.
I get there’s a place for all that - but I want the best genetics possible. A company that spends little on marketing and advertising, and almost entirely on their craft of breeding seeds.. weeding out the inferior, running down several generations for stability, etc etc.. let the results speak for themselves.
Alright I feel like that was a nice rant. Research what you’re buying folks. If you don’t give much of a shit.. I understand that too.
Ezzjaybruh
