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Hydro - Ec Variations - how do you deal with them ? What the hell is going on in my soup ?

Maskedcucumber
Maskedcucumberstarted grow question 2 years ago
I added a little nutes (0.1) at night, Ec went down and then up at mid day, with Ph dropping. When do you start worrying about your EC going up / Ph going down ? When EC varies more than 0.1 in 24h ? When Ph drops from 0.4 in 24h ? (here from 6.20 to 5.75 in 24h). THX !
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Sciolistic_Steve
Sciolistic_Steveanswered grow question 2 years ago
while some molecules are too large to fit in through roots, the plant itself does not select what it uptkes... if it is in solution, it's coming in. You have hydro nutes, so these are all chelated/fixated/ready to be used by plant. It's all getting absorbed in this context. So, evaporation can cause a rise in EC. If soilless, as long as you get a healthy runoff (at least 10%) you should avoid any climbing EC levels. In hydro, you simply can add a proportional amount of ph'd water to fix your EC level. Your meter's error% could cause fluctuation in data collected that is not tied to any change in the water or substrate. is it also supposed to be measured at 25C? i cannot recall if that impacts measurement of EC or not... the equipment's error should be considered, if necessary. for the pH .. it's a bit concerning.. it should not shift unless microbes are causing it... evaporation will cause it to rise, but this should not be a significant amount lost to evaporation if done righ. pH is the balance of h30+ and oh- in solution... that determins acid v base, then strength is about molarity, or how much per volume... evaporation will increase whichever way it is leaning on pH scale, but like i said above, you should be limiting how much evaporation is occuring and therefore it should not be a major factor in pH swings. Microbes are the thing to worry about. they'll eat your nutes and evacuate different molecules that may be result in a different pH than before.... and they continue to do so, so it adds up quickly over time. if you aren't going below 5.8 i wouldn't worry. Good hydro nutes should be buffered. If you find swings common, try a different brand (assumes you can rule out microbial causes) Regardless of what the peanut gallery says, i would never let pH drop below 5.8. I'd stick to 6-6.2 as it is better for calcium and another molecule or two to avoid 5.8 and below. EC is easier to keep consistent.. you control the mix. If your rez is covered, should avoid effects of evaporation. A little increase due to evaporation is nothign to worry about.. if it is not minimized, you may want to find ways to reduce the rate of evaporation (like a covered rez). You should always worry about pH .. and EC. Small changes are no problem. Observe and react to plant to find those thresholds and act premeptively in future. Environment and genetics will cuase fluctuation of what a plant can and cannot handle. there is no 1 answer. If you are being careful, i'd keep eye on it but if it keeps oscillating in same small range, i'd chalk it up to equipment precision.
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Dropshot
Dropshotanswered grow question 2 years ago
Tbh the only way to keep on top of hydro ph and ec is to use run to waste, after several years of trying that is the safest way. If your so ph and ec strict as I am you will be chasing it all the way through the grow. I've tried it all, not, aqua farms flood and drain, bubble pots, you name it, I've tried it. I now use fabric pots and coco and after a few trials I now achieve the same results as I did in hydro but with much less hassle and headache
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Oozle
Oozleanswered grow question 2 years ago
You added nutrients, the pH changed, so it is your equipment that is the problem. Seems irrational. Nutrients are taken out of the solution at different rates, so there will always be some pH swing. Your nutrient ratios will effect the pH. Microbes aren't always the problem. Easier to blame something you can't see I suppose instead of fixing your feed schedule. good luck!
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Organoman
Organomananswered grow question 2 years ago
Your plants will cope with minor fluctuations just fine. As long as either pH ot EC don't have massive swings, all will be good. Everything will work within a range, nothing has to be exactly spot on/perfect for healthy and happy growth.
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Oozle
Oozleanswered grow question 2 years ago
Depending on what your feed ratios are, there will be a natural rise and fall of your pH. Looking at your chart, it seems you have kept your pH above 6 most of the grow. Maybe the plant wants it lower. I like to target 5.8, but I am happy at 5.6-6.1. If what you added was bloom feed, it probably has a lot of K in it, which will initially raise the pH, then cause it to drop. I would increase your feed slightly and stop over analyzing your plants and see what they do over a couple days. A 24 hour sample size isn't a lot. Also, try to compare your readings from the same time every day. The EC and pH will change as the plant eats and drinks at different rates throughout the day.
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Hashy
Hashyanswered grow question 2 years ago
Also at the age your plants are at I would have expected the plant would be needing about Ec1.2. Air stones sometimes cause the ph to drop if they have been used for 4 to 6 weeks. I change mine every 5 weeks in dwc
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Hashy
Hashyanswered grow question 2 years ago
Your plants might need a higher feed. Sometimes ec rising ph dropping is a sign your plant is leaching nutrition into the solution. But I would only worry if your Ec varied by 0.3 and ph 0.4
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