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Watering Coco Coir

sanibelisl
sanibelislstarted grow question a day ago
100% Canna coco coir substrate. 3gal. fabric pot. Will be sub irrigating via. wicking. Watering? How can I be sure that I have watered deep enough without overwatering. I have always grown in some sort of soil, so this coco is causing me some issues. Any advice would help.
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00110001001001111Oanswered grow question 19 hours ago
coco is not anything different. It simply absorbs water and holds it until the plant drinks it up... or evaporates if not drinking fast enough. Despite common belief, pure coco does not have good enough drainage and aeration properties. You want 33% perlite or similar mixed in for an optimal gas:water mixture for the roots. This won't derail your grow, but in future add some vermiculite or similar. Tiny plant in a huge pot is an incredibly bad idea - yes, even with autoflowers. Potting up should never cause 'shock,' and if you cause shock from potting up, it is self-inflicted and easily avoided with a bit more patience and not employing some sort of retard strength destroying the rootball. Don't transplant when it is too dry to hold itself together, either. Use appropriate sized pots for plant size. This may require you to hand-water until it gets into a pot that has a wick, but it'll avoid a plethora of risks and it is worth it. I hand water until my final pots and then the irrigation system kicks in. Small pots are easy to water and not time-consuming, so it's not much of a cost and a huge benefit to proper root growth and avoiding bad watering habits. I also strongly suggest reconsidering a wick or any sort of bottom-up watering setup. It basically takes the primary benefit of growing in a soilless medium and throws it out the window. You will risk buidlup in the substrate or require needless efforts like flushing to maintain a healthy medium. These efforts will only slow growth down by comparison, and again for no good reason. Something 100% avoidable if you water top-down and religiously get 10% runoff ("drain to waste"). This makes diagnosing and adjusting more simple and accurate by completely eliminating the possibility of buildup in the substrate. Yes, you can still overfeed and cause a toxicity in the plant, but it will never be because it built up in the substrate.. a simple formula change avoids it completely. So, every once in a while i'd give a top fertigation and get some good runoff. You may even want a slightly diluted formula when you do this or possibly water-only. This is something that will require some trial and error on your part to find that balance. When does the plant start to show it is getting too much? Pre-empt that with a top down dilution. Maybe every 2 weeks.. really depends on how heavily you feed and other local variables, so it's something you must figure out on your own. as far as wicking.. the natural capillary action and draw of water up due to evaporation or drinking should be okay on its own. Shouldn't have to worry about removing the water or anything like that. The plant drinks some, creates a "pull" and more water absorbs up the wick and into the substrate. It's a constantly occurring thing. You 'can' make a wick system work, but if going soilless there are much better options that don't require so much extra effort to avoid problems that aren't possible when doing things in a more orthodox way. remember, coco is not magic. If you are experiencing any problems it is behaviour related and not the solid substrate that water absorbs into. that's tantamount to a bucket, lol. A bucket doesn't do much beside hold the water. Don't blame the bucket. if you go with sphagnum peat moss, need 50% perlite or similar - i'd recommend vermiculite #3. It adds available silica in addition to a proper gas:water mixture for roots. The only thing special about coco is that if the manufacturer doesn't buffer it properly, it can make your plants sickly or even kill them, lol. Coco is convenient, but it's not magic or "better". in fact research by bugbee shows that sphagnum peat moss is a better soilless base. I guess that kinda makes coco coir "special." lol,, short-bus special.
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JJunior
JJunioranswered grow question 11 hours ago
The roots are very little at this point and do not need too much water, as long as the root zone and below are moist, the roots will be looking for the water and will most the likely stretch h towards looking for it anyway where there are dry spots and pockets of air. Feel free to send me a text and like the anwser if I was helpful thanks and happy growing!
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AsNoriu
AsNoriuanswered grow question 17 hours ago
You physically cant overwater in coco, its not soil. I have a friend he was feeding 2-4 times a day even. You got good advice from Numbers. Feeding ratios, collection of runoff and ph , all you need to provide...
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question a day ago
CANNA coir is a nice brand, it can have a bit of a charge "EC" out of the brick/bag though. I use the compressed bricks that make 40L once reconstituted. I find its best to mix in some perlite with it to help with drainage and to give it a small rince to help off set the charge. Any seedlings can be overwatered IMO. their root structure is just not developed and depending how dense the medium is aorund it, it could hold onto too much water. But that's just my experience with it. It does not align with other views. And not all coirs are made equal. Some are more powdery and mucky when wet and that holds onto more water vs the good stuff that's more fibrous and stringy. If the coir is not buffered and washed before hand it holds onto a lot of salt and then will release it when growing. CANNA buffers, washes and ages their products, it nice stuff. Ideally the right ratios of air in the medium would make it next to impossible to overwater. I don't see the seedling being overwaterd in your pic though. it looks good. With soil I find that's hard to get without a shit ton of perlite into the mix. Roots will not expand into dry medium so its why you want to water the entire pot. the root will air prune its self if that is not wet. Best to water it all and get about 10% runoff and discard it. Regarding pots. Its also good to start smaller and move up in pot sizes so the roots get more out of it. Last bit. coir is void of nutrients so it need them added in on day one "I don't think you need a PK boost, but follow their feeding guide and adjust as needed". if the coir was not buffered "yours was" you's need to add in extra Ca + Mg over time to off set it and get that runoff. https://www.canna.ca/sites/canada/files/2021-09/downloads_grow-schedule_coco.pdf
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Ultraviolet
Ultravioletanswered grow question a day ago
No such thing as too much water, only a medium that retains too much moisture for the environment it finds itself in. Nutrients can only uptake where there is water present, even distribution is key for wicks. Soil transpiration is the process by which plants remove water from the soil and release it into the atmosphere. Plants absorb water and nutrients from the soil through their roots. The water is transported through the plant's tissues to the leaves, where it evaporates through tiny pores called stomata. Transpiration removes heat from the air and cools the plant. Transpiration returns water to the atmosphere, which is a major part of the water cycle. The water that enters the roots contains nutrients that are vital for plant growth. Evapotranspiration: The sum of all processes that move water from the land to the atmosphere, including transpiration and evaporation. Cycle the water faster than it takes for it to stagnate. Controlling your environment will control the rate at which water is wicked to the soil. Soil moisture goes to root zones up and out the stomata. Create a slightly drier, slightly warmer environment. Between evaporation and transpiration, any chance of overwatering becomes nullified. Then, it's just about keeping the soil wet and making things a little warm to promote evaporation. Setting up adequate ventilation with a slight negative pressure will give you full control of the rate at which water cycles in your tent. my take on it at least, good luck with the grow!
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Scrubbyjimbob
Scrubbyjimbobanswered grow question a day ago
Coco can handle frequent irrigation. The most important thing is fully watering the substrate. You want runoff, especially as you ramp up your nutrients. Before you got roots going you don't need to go too crazy but once the plant is established you can water it a couple times a day or more even. Just make sure you're getting the runoff. Over doing things is s waste, but as long as the plant is drying back a little bit your not gonna see overwatering symptoms.
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Green_claws
Green_clawsanswered grow question a day ago
It's hard to over water in coco and with using soil in the past just use as much or a little bit more till you get the feel for it.. if it looks wet it usually is. Best way is to lift the pot and feel the weight to see if she needs feed that and yiubwill see the top dry and change colour that's a good sign along with the finger dip and have a feel. Atm just watch the colour on top and when roots are established feed the whole pot till 10% run off.. this is paramount to prevent build up.. Good luck 🍀.
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