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HARVEST (Day 110 / December 21)
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GROW SUMMARY
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Grown in 4x4 tent - but I only used 2x4 because of heater and dehumidification but each plant averaged a 2x3 canopy. Each plant had a dedicated light, Sage 2 used the HLG 300 V2 Rspec and Sage 3 used the CMH 315. It's not an accurate comparison of lights because there was some overlap but I'm just utilizing my resources the best I can for this dedicated autoflower tent. The plants were grown in hydroponics using a custom two-site PA hydroponics clone RDWC system with Advanced Nutrients Sensi Coco line, Microbial Mass and Orca for beneficials.
All around a pretty easy grow and things went very well. Sage #3 had an issue just after stretch, and I think I burnt it a bit when the CMH was at 22". I also experimented with a single water change which was only performed when switching to bloom nutrients around week 7 and turned out surprisingly well - see the results below. It's always fun to see the two contrasting phenotypes side by side.
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HARVEST
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From day 106 to day 110, I just stopped feeding and let the ppms run down.
No dark period and no flush. On day 110 they were chopped. I probably could have let them go a bit longer, but my concerns were growing with Sage 3 and the sugar leaves being brittle and flacking off onto lower buds promoting bud rot. The smell of this flower on the plant was funk and was hard to control the funk... even with a carbon filter. Trichomes are slightly amber, mostly milky overall. I'm convinced hydroponics can add a couple of weeks of veg time to the run compared to coco/soil. Cutting the Scrog net was required.
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DRYING
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The plants were dried in a 3x3 tent, so I had to cut the plants in 1/4 sections to fit in the 3x3 drying tent for a slow dry. Branches were hung to dry on burlap twine in a tent in complete darkness, branches upside down. The temps were dialed in at 60F by pointing AC at the intake vent on side of the tent. Humidity was dialed in at 63%/60F for 24hr, 62%/60F for the next 48hr. Then 60%/60F for the third day and onward. Ambient RH in my house is 30% due to winter so I had to use two humidifiers and an Inkbird controller to add humidity to the room and block the humidity streams from hitting plants directly. AC Infinity T6/S6 exhaust and intake fans were on the setting of '2' during drying until day 8, then I could turn down to a setting of '1' once the plants were not transpiring excess moisture. I pulled the branches to trim as they were ready around starting around day 12.
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TRIMMING
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I trimmed each branch as it was ready but there were times when I pulled more than I could trim without being interrupted so a few branches did overdry on my trim table due to the low ambient RH due to winter. Very few fan leaves on branches, so most trim was all sugar leaves. I went tight with trim to ensure a better flower product and more supply for edible totaling in over 11 ounces of trim product.
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CURING
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Flower product was transferred to 1L mason jars averaging 35g of product per jar. I added a mini hygrometer to each jar and boveda/boost 8gr humidity pack. The RH averaged 62-64% when trimmed flowers went in jars.
I started by burping once a day for the first seven days, once every other day for the next seven days, rolling jars often. The burp was only for 3-5 second for air exchange. Because the flower product was already at almost 62% when packaged in jars, quite the contrast from drying in summer conditions, I only needed to burp once per day and mold really wasn't much of an issue due to low humidity in winter.
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YIELD
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* Weight calculated at 62% humidity after 10 day cure.
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FLOWER PRODUCT
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Sage 2: 301g (10.75oz)
Sage 3: 377g (13.46oz)
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Total: 670g (23.93oz)
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TRIM PRODUCT
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Sage 2: 204g
Sage 3: 135g
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Total: 327g (11.67oz)
**I went tight on the trim for better flower product and sufficient supply for edibles, and is calculated in overall yield.
** All major fan leaves, stems, and branches removed from trim product.
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TOTAL OVERALL YIELD
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Flower: 678g (24.21oz)
Trim: 327g (11.68oz)
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Total: 1005g (35.89oz) (2.24lb)
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SPACE YIELD
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1005g / 12 sqft (3x4 canopy) = 83.75g per sqft
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WATTAGE YIELD
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615 Watts / 12 Square Foot (3x4 canopy) = 51.25 watts per sqft.
1005g / 615 watts = 1.63 grams per watt
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PRODUCT TEST
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On day 10 of cure, I tested the flower and passed some to a few friends for their input. Feedback was positive. One little bud was given to a friend and he reported it stunk his entire car.
Sticky, trichome-covered fire! Smoke is smooth, no cough. White ash. The 60/40 (sativa/indica) is a blend that is on point.
Sage Scout definitely is a heavy hitter; upwards of 3.5 hour noticeable head/body change with no couchlock at the end. In regards to flavor and smell, it's not fully there yet on only day 10 of cure. The flavors/scents are still muted but I expect the flavours to prevail after 6-8 weeks of curing. Very funky and strong smell that bursts past the mason jar lids. Piney sweet scent.
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REGRETS
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Honestly, I only have two regrets with this run.
1. More aggressive lolipopping! I just feel if I had lolipopped more, I would have had a denser product overall. The flower product is indeed dense, and all in all, I'm happy with the result, but it's I'm adding as a reminder for the next run. I need to be more selective.
2. I slacked on the training of Sage #2 due to the hard-to-reach factor which probably affected about additional 1-2 oz of yield.
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NEXT RUN
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1. I’m was very happy with Microbial Mass product in combination with Orca. Once again, I was overall happy with Advanced Coco blend for RWDC. I went with Coco product because Coco is similar to hydroponics, the AN Coco line just has added Calmag to it. I didn’t really see any issues with the AN Coco line and I like the autonomous factor of AN sensi products because my photoperiod tent takes some of my attention, so it is nice to have this autolower tent on auto-pilot for the majority of the grow.
2. When harvesting, I did find a few spots of concern in the root system, so I will definitely upgrade the pump from 250gph to a 400gph for better flow to combat that issue.
3. My experiment with a single water change when switching to bloom nutrients was a surprising result. Sage 2 (purple pheno) performed well with no deficiencies which I had trouble sorting out the deficiency on Sage 3. I continue to wonder if it was salt build-up, but it seemed to start shortly after the change to bloom nutrients so maybe it was a nitrogen/calmag issue. I may add an additional water change mid-flower (week 11) to the next run and see if it makes any difference is the same conditions happen.
4. I'll also like to move the two-site system to the front of the tent for better accessibility to train the plants.
5. I'm also looking at the floorplan of the tent and I think I can run a single system in parallel next to this two-site system and still have room for heater/dehumidifier and still keep accessibility for training.
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FINAL THOUGHTS
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Night Owl genetics has performed once again in my RDWC setup. I also feel a dedicated light for each plant really helped improve the yield. If I calculate a 2x3 space for each plant, with a total of 615 watts / 12 sq ft, running at 51.25 watts per square foot is the result. In regards to gram per watt, I've calculated the result is nearly 1.63 gram per watt when using 1005g / 615 watts. My goal was a pound per plant, I was happy to exceed that goal line with autoflowers with 2.24lb total yield.
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THE END
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Thanks for checking out my diary! I typically journal in my notebook but I put some time and effort into documenting my grows on this platform in hopes it will help a new or experienced grower with their DWC journey. Any questions or suggestions are welcomed.
Happy growing!
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DAY 21 F: Hi all. Another productive week for the fast buds jungle and the #Fc3000 . The room is full of limbs , leaves and chunky stalks all rounded off with sexy little budlets dancing in the wind for me every time I open the tent . Makes me feel like Hugh Heffner !!!.
All of the plants have finished their stretch totally now and a huge surprise has been the midget Mexican airline now being the same height as her sister. I expected her to stay smaller due to the past growing period ect.. but she has somehow hit the same height now. Her buds are not as advanced as the #2 M.a but time should change that too. #1 is forming some very nice looking open flowers now with bundles of fresh pistils to them too.
Both of the six Shooter are looking productive in their different set ups. The #1 has reached around 2ft and has some very nice sites setting up now. #2 has been more spread horizontally and is a long distance from the light too. With the canopy height being dictated by the huge Strawberry Pie girls , I felt it would be a good way to see how far away the light can help develop buds rather than supercrop all the big girls for one squat lady. So far the amount of bud sites is promising and it does look as though they are getting enough to develop.
Both of the Strawberry pie have really hit their peak with at least 2.5ft tops. Buds are for.ing nicely and the sides are also well developed and in good positions for their own light grabs. It does give hope of some bigger buds than the long node lengths would suggest. Let's see in a few weeks shall we. Lol
They had a top dress of charge and life-cycle too to help boost the flowering stage a little. Soil is performing as expected and the watering is going well so far with no excesses either way . Until next time growmies , be safe and well.
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Unfortunately, I had to find out that my account is used for fake pages in social media.
I am only active here on growdiaries.
I am not on facebook instagram twitter etc All accounts except this one are fake.
Harvest day 67.
Hey guys :-) .
Finally the time has come the lady has been harvested :-).
In the last week the water was freshly mixed with Canna Flush and an Ec of 0.4 in order to completely use up the nutrients in the last few days 👍.
You can see it on the beautiful autumn yellow leaves :-).
Before harvesting, the lights were turned off completely for 48 hours.
After everything was neatly trimmed by hand, the buds were put into the drying tent, where they are allowed to dry for the first 8-12 days at a humidity of 62% before they ferment with 62% boveda packs in jars.
After another 3-4 weeks in the glasses, the 58% boveda packs come in for the final touch :-).
Of course, the final update comes from the fermented end product 👍.
Until then, I wish you all a lot of fun and stay healthy 🙏🏻
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Vega lamp: 2 x Todogrow LED CXB3590 COB 55 W
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Flower lamp : 2 x Todogrow LED CXB3590 COB 55 W
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Grow Aero System : Growtool 0.8
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Water:
Osmosis water mixed with normal water (24 hours stale that the chlorine evaporates) to 0.2 EG. Add Cal / Mag to 0.4 Ec Ph with ph- to 5.6 - 6.4
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Very pleased with the state of the Chemdawg bonsai, the ceramic cupcake reveal is working nicely. Still need to clean up those roots once they firm up a bit. She's also starting to show pre-flowers now.
Meanwhile, the main Chemdawg is looking great, the octo-colas are shaping exactly like I hoped, and she's mostly outgrown the overwatered thing. That said, she's a very fast grower and I'm running out of horizontal room. I'll probably need to top her again just to slow her down compared to her tent-mate (Lemon Tart Pucker, growing in a much more indica fashion).
Tent is still holding at 600 PPFD, 82 F (28 C) daytime temps, target VPD of 1.0. Did another Rootwise soak across the tent this week, plants seemed to enjoy it.
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Now that the plant is dry, I can go into a few more details.
In my opinion, the harvest is a complete success for a beginner.
During the harvest I realised how hard the flowers are. After drying, they became even harder, almost rock hard. The flowers are covered with many shiny trichomes.
The harvest took quite a long time. I spent about 14 hours on it, which was also due to the super meticulous wet trim. The reason for the thorough wet trim was the mould. Every single flower was examined. I disassembled the large flowers before drying to be on the safe side. It's nice to have huge flowers, but in the end they are chopped up anyway.
At the end of the 8 days of drying, the GG4 Sherbet FF rewarded me with finest ice-coated flowers. Thanks to the wet trim, I didn't have to do any more work. I was able to separate the buds directly from the branch and put them in the jars to mature. As the offcuts were also super potent due to the thorough wet trim, I processed them into butter.
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Very tropical taste with a hint of plumb
Will constantly update during the enjoyment of the flower
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Que pasa familia, otra vez actualizo aquí, 3 semana de floración finalizada, hasta aquí es lo que hay estos clones están muy sanos enraizaron de miedo y así andan.
Subí dosis de nutrientes importantes para fomentar la floración y potenciar el sabor.
Pronto empezaré añadir también o Verd rice y algún Pk duro para engordar las flores.
Aunque sean pequeñas las plantas tienen que salir muy buenas flores.
Hasta aquí es todo poca cosa más en este proyecto un abrazo y buenos humooos 💨💨💨
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Plants are really taking off! Smell in the tent is strong, widow is still stretching but the PT is not stretching so much as she is still seeming to try and bush-up so to speak.
I have all three plants in the ScrOG net and it seems I will have a full tent. Buds are beginning to form and add some bulk to them as well.
Took pictures with lights off this time to show how they’re growing.
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2nd net is up. Early bud formations are promising. holding up to the extremes pretty well, some leaves taking minor damage, but overall, she is holding up, gave her 1 night at 50F see how she would react, stressful. Not advised as it messes with her metabolism, but I want to see if it triggers any anthocyanin response. Love to see her purp up but no signs yet.
Homework.
If Rubisco activity is impaired and it cannot properly function or regenerate its substrate, the plant's leaves are likely to turn a pale green or
lime green, a condition known as chlorosis. Essentially, Rubisco activity is highly regulated and susceptible to various environmental and metabolic factors that can cause it to become inhibited, leading to an apparent failure in RuBP regeneration due to a lack of consumption.
Rubisco regeneration is intrinsically linked to nitrogen supply because Rubisco is a major sink for nitrogen in plants, typically accounting for 15% to over 25% of total leaf nitrogen. The regeneration phase itself consumes nitrogen through the synthesis of the Rubisco enzyme and associated proteins (like Rubisco activase), and overall nitrogen status heavily influences the efficiency of RuBP regeneration. RuBisCO is a very large enzyme that constitutes a significant proportion (up to 50%) of leaf soluble protein and requires large investments in nitrogen. Insufficient nitrogen supply limits the plant's ability to produce adequate amounts of RuBisCO, thereby limiting the overall capacity for photosynthesis and carbon fixation. Maintaining the optimal, slightly alkaline pH is crucial for the proper function and regeneration of Rubisco. Deviations in either direction (too high or too low) disrupt the enzyme's structure, activation state, and interaction with its substrates, leading to decreased activity and impaired RuBP regeneration. (LIME GREEN CHLOROSIS)
Structural Component: Nitrogen is an essential building block for all proteins, and the sheer abundance of the Rubisco protein makes it the single largest storage of nitrogen in the leaf.
Synthesis and Activity: Adequate nitrogen supply is crucial for the synthesis and maintenance of sufficient Rubisco enzyme and Rubisco activase (Rca), the regulatory protein responsible for maintaining Rubisco's active state. Nitrogen deficiency leads to a decrease in the content and activity of both Rubisco and Rca, which in turn limits the maximum carboxylation rate, Vmax, and the rate of RuBP regeneration Jmax, thus reducing overall photosynthetic capacity.
Nitrogen Storage and Remobilization: Rubisco can act as a temporary nitrogen storage protein, which is degraded to remobilize nitrogen to other growing parts of the plant, especially under conditions of nitrogen deficiency or senescence.
Nitrogen Use Efficiency (NUE): The allocation of nitrogen to Rubisco is a key determinant of a plant's photosynthetic nitrogen use efficiency (PNUE). In high-nitrogen conditions, plants may accumulate a surplus of Rubisco, which may not be fully activated, leading to a lower PNUE. Optimizing the amount and activity of Rubisco relative to nitrogen availability is a target for improving crop NUE.
Photorespiration and Nitrogen Metabolism: Nitrogen metabolism is also linked to the photorespiration pathway (which competes with carboxylation at the Rubisco active site), particularly in the reassimilation of ammonia released during the process.
To increase RuBisCO regeneration, which refers to the process of forming the CO2 acceptor molecule Ribulose-1,5-bisphosphate (RuBP) during photosynthesis, the primary methods involve optimizing the levels and activity of Rubisco activase (Rca) and enhancing the performance of other Calvin-Benson-Bassham (CBB) cycle enzymes.
Biochemical and Environmental Approaches:
Optimize Rubisco Activase (Rca) activity: Rca is a crucial chaperone protein that removes inhibitory sugar phosphates, such as CA1P (2-carboxy-D-arabinitol 1-phosphate), from the Rubisco active site, thus maintaining its catalytic competence.
•Ensure optimal light conditions: Rca is light-activated via the chloroplast's redox status. Adequate light intensity ensures Rca can effectively maintain Rubisco in its active, carbamylated state.
•Maintain optimal temperature: Rca is highly temperature-sensitive and can become unstable at moderately high temperatures (e.g., above 35°C/95F° in many C3 plants), which decreases its ability to activate Rubisco. Maintaining temperatures within the optimal range for a specific plant species is important.
•Optimize Mg2+ concentration: Mg2+ is a key cofactor for both Rubisco carbamylation and Rca activity. In the light, Mg2+ concentration in the chloroplast stroma increases, promoting activation.
•Manage ATP/ADP ratio: Rca activity depends on ATP hydrolysis and is inhibited by ADP. Conditions that maintain a high ATP/ADP ratio in the chloroplast stroma favor Rca activity.
Enhance Calvin-Benson-Bassham (CBB) cycle enzyme activity: The overall rate of RuBP regeneration can be limited by other enzymes in the cycle.
•Increase SBPase activity: Sedoheptulose-1,7-bisphosphatase (SBPase) is a key regulatory enzyme in the regeneration pathway, and increasing its activity can enhance RuBP regeneration and overall photosynthesis.
•Optimize other enzymes: Overexpression of other CBB cycle enzymes such as fructose-1,6-bisphosphate aldolase (FBA) and triose phosphate isomerase (TPI) can also help to balance the metabolic flux and improve RuBP regeneration capacity.
Magnesium ions, Mg2+, are specifically required for Rubisco activation because the cation plays a critical structural and chemical role in forming the active site: A specific lysine residue in the active site must be carbamylated by a CO2 molecule to activate the enzyme. The resulting negatively charged carbamyl group then facilitates the binding of the positively charged Mg2+ion. While other divalent metal ions like Mn2+ can bind to Rubisco, they alter the enzyme's substrate specificity and lead to dramatically lower activity or a higher rate of the non-productive oxygenation reaction compared to Mg2+, making them biologically unfavorable in the context of efficient carbon fixation. The concentration of Mg2+ in the chloroplast stroma naturally increases in the light due to ion potential balancing during ATP synthesis, providing a physiological mechanism to ensure the enzyme is activated when photosynthesis is possible. At the center of the porphyrin ring, nestled within its nitrogen atoms, is a Magnesium ion (Mg2+). This magnesium ion is crucial for the function of chlorophyll, and without it, the pigment cannot effectively capture and transfer light energy.
Mg acts as a cofactor: Mg2+ binds to Rubisco after an activator CO2 molecule, forming a catalytically competent complex (Enzyme-CO2-Mg2+). High light + CO2) increases demand: Under high light (60 DLI is a very high intensity, potentially saturating) and high CO2, the plant's capacity for photosynthesis is high, and thus the demand for activated Rubisco and the necessary Mg2+ cofactor increases. Mg deficiency becomes limiting: If Mg2+ is deficient under these conditions, the higher levels of Rubisco and Rubisco activase produced cannot be fully activated, leading to lower photosynthetic rates and potential photo-oxidative damage.
Optimal range: Studies show that adequate Mg2+ application can enhance Rubisco activation and stabilize net photosynthetic rates under stress conditions, but the required concentration is specific to the experimental setup.
Monitoring is key: The most effective approach in a controlled environment is to monitor the plant's physiological responses e.g., leaf Mg2+ concentration, photosynthetic rate, Rubisco activation state, and adjust the nutrient solution/fertilizer to maintain adequate levels, rather than supplementing a fixed "extra" amount.
In practice, this means ensuring that Mg2+ is not a limiting factor in the plant's standard nutrient solution when pushing the limits with high light and CO2.
Applying Mg2+ through foliar spray is beneficial to Rubisco regeneration, particularly in alleviating the negative effects of magnesium (Mg) deficiency and high-temperature stress (HTS). While Mg can be leached from soil, within the plant it is considered a mobile nutrient, particularly in the phloem. Foliar-applied Mg is quickly absorbed by the leaves and can be translocate to other plant parts, including new growth and sink organs.
Foliar application of: NATURES VERY OWN MgSO4 @ 15.0g L-1 in a spray bottle.
Foliar sprays are often recommended as a rapid rescue measure for existing deficiencies or as a supplement during critical growth stages, when demand for Mg is high. Application in the early morning or late evening can improve absorption and prevent leaf burn.
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The thrips infection is gone but there’re still a lot of damaged leafs as you can see in the photos/videos, but the growth hasn’t slowed down which is good.
Anyway after I did some research into the big bang strain I found out that the company that sells this strain recommends “flushing” for a few days every other week starting from day 16 of flowering. This is meant to speed up bud development and I think it really did something here as the buds got twice as big. But I didn’t exactly follow their recommendations as it calls for watering the plants with large amounts of water and letting the soil dry for a few days and I don’t feel comfortable with that, so I watered them every day but made sure the soil was dry.
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It's just starting to form flowers, but it's looking like it's forming a ton of them. I'll probably go through and defoliate this afternoon. One of the plants has for sure overshadowed the other, but I think that's okay. I don't think I had enough room in the 3x3 for two plants the same size. I'm happy with this water/worm/frass only run.
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As sementes chegaram em 17/11/2021, 5 dias após a compra no site. Dia 18/11/2021 - 12:00, coloquei a semente em um copo de agua para iniciar o processo de germinação.
Dia 21/11/2021 - coloquei a semente no vaso de 7L 50% turfa 50% vermiculita. Esperando a gestação! atualização: a semente não germinou.
Dia 23/11/2021 - coloquei as duas ultimas sementes para germinar no copo com água (comprei 3 sementes)
Dia 24/11/2021 - Simplesmente nenhum sinal de germinação ainda, nunca uma semente demorou tanto para germinar, se é que irá germinar.
25/11/2021 - Finalmente 2/3 sementes germinaram!!!! grato pela ajuda!
fim da semana! hora de decolar 🚀
É meu primeiro cultivo, espero que a comunidade possa me ajudar e compartilhar dicas, muito grato!
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This week was cloudy and rainy but it doesn't look too bad. Usually in the fourth week autoflowers start to grow rapidly - time will tell. I watered the plants with water only. Anny suggestions?
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I am back from my holiday left on 19th of December so my friend handled them in had to remove a lot of leaves atvteh bottom they are very tall pistils are out. Crazily nice! :)
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i am very happy :) this was my first cultivation and he succeeded :) i know a lot of mistakes I made wrong or not :) I'll fix it next time :) the yield is not high because my pot is only 4 liters (