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🍬 Candy Rain Auto by Zamnesia | Week 1 Flower 🍬 The Little Engine That Could Every grow has one plant that reminds us why patience is such an important part of this hobby. Candy Rain continues to be that plant. As the only survivor from this folder, she has quietly fought her way through a slower start while the rest of the room raced ahead. Losing her sister early in the project was entirely my mistake, but that's part of growing too. Every mistake teaches something valuable, and Candy Rain has become a wonderful reminder that healthy plants don't all follow the same timetable. This week officially marks her first week of flowering. While most of the room is already well established in bloom, Candy Rain has finally reached that exciting milestone, proving once again that genetics decide the pace—not us. This diary continues documenting how autoflowers perform under a true 12/12 From Seed schedule from germination. Supported by the complete Plagron feeding program, illuminated by the Future of Grow Black Series LED, complemented by the new Lumiflora under-canopy lighting, and thriving inside the Zamnesia-sponsored 8×8 Adventure, Candy Rain continues writing her own unique story. And honestly... She's beginning to surprise me. 🌱 Week 1 Flower – Finally Joining the Party Only one week has passed since the transition began, yet the difference is already easy to see. Standing at approximately 90 cm tall, she has enjoyed a healthy stretch during the past seven days, gaining over 20 cm while beginning to shift her energy fully toward flower production. She may still be one of the smaller plants in the room, but she's clearly making up for lost time. Fresh white pistils now cover every growing tip, and the first real flower clusters are beginning to form across the canopy. Each day the bud sites become a little more defined, slowly transforming from simple nodes into the foundation of future colas. The transition has been smooth, healthy, and exactly what I was hoping to see. Sometimes all a plant needs is a little extra time. 🌿 Plant Development Candy Rain has continued developing naturally with very little intervention. Low Stress Training carried out earlier in her life has left her with an open structure, while simple leaf tucking continues exposing future flowering sites without removing valuable fan leaves. There has still been no need for defoliation. The canopy remains airy, branch spacing is excellent, and airflow throughout the plant couldn't be much better. New growth continues emerging vibrant and healthy, while the leaves display a beautiful deep green colour that tells me she's completely comfortable with her current environment. Looking closely at the flowers, the first little crowns of white pistils are now appearing everywhere. They're still tiny. But every large cola starts exactly like this. 💧 Feeding Program Now officially in flower, Candy Rain has fully joined the flowering nutrition program alongside the rest of the room. Current feeding includes: • Plagron Terra Bloom • Plagron Power Buds • Plagron Sugar Royal • Plagron Pure Zym • Plagron Green Sensation The transition has been effortless. Her foliage remains beautifully balanced with no signs of deficiencies, excesses, or stress, and she's responding exactly how I'd hoped after making the move onto the flowering schedule. The roots remain healthy, water uptake is increasing, and the overall plant simply looks happy. Sometimes the plants tell you everything without saying a word. 🌡️ Environment Environmental conditions remain stable throughout the flowering room: Day temperature: 29°C Night temperature: 25°C Relative humidity: 60% Solution temperature: 21°C Root zone temperature: 21°C CO₂: 639 ppm The consistency inside the room continues allowing every plant to focus entirely on growth rather than recovery. Healthy roots, stable temperatures, balanced humidity, and reliable irrigation remain one of the biggest reasons this project continues progressing so smoothly. 💡 Welcoming Lumiflora This week also sees Candy Rain benefiting from the new Lumiflora under-canopy lighting system. While the Future of Grow Black Series LED continues providing exceptional light from above, the additional Lumiflora bars are designed to deliver extra intensity beneath the canopy, reaching lower flowering sites that naturally receive less light. It's still far too early to draw conclusions, but I'm genuinely excited to document how this additional lighting influences lower bud development, flower density, and overall canopy uniformity over the coming weeks. As always, I'll let the plants tell the story rather than making assumptions before harvest. 🌸 Phenotype Thoughts One thing Candy Rain has already reminded me is that size doesn't always predict quality. She may not be the tallest or the fastest plant in the room, but healthy structure, vigorous growth, beautiful leaf colour, and balanced development are often far more important than chasing height alone. Some of the most memorable harvests I've ever grown came from plants that never looked like the biggest stars during flowering. Will Candy Rain surprise me? I honestly don't know. And that's exactly what makes growing so enjoyable. Every plant writes its own ending. 🔭 Looking Ahead Over the next week I'm expecting the flowering stretch to continue before gradually slowing as more energy shifts toward building flowers. The small clusters of pistils should begin stacking into more defined bud sites, resin production may start making its first appearance, and it'll be fascinating to see whether Candy Rain continues closing the gap between herself and the rest of the room. Whatever happens, I'll continue giving her exactly what she's asked for from the very beginning: Time. 🙏 Final Thoughts Candy Rain has become a wonderful reminder that growing isn't about comparing plants. It's about understanding them. Some explode out of the soil from day one. Others quietly take their time before showing what they're capable of. She's still writing her story, and I'm more than happy to let her write it at her own pace. A huge thank you once again to Zamnesia for providing these fantastic genetics, to Plagron for their consistently reliable nutrient line, to Future of Grow for the incredible Black Series lighting, and to Lumiflora for joining this project with their under-canopy lighting system. I'm genuinely excited to see what the combination of top and lower canopy lighting can achieve throughout the rest of flowering. Finally, thank you to the incredible GrowDiaries community for following this 8×8 Adventure week after week. Your support, advice, encouragement, and passion for growing make documenting every stage of these plants an absolute pleasure. Until next week... Growers love and happy growing! 🌱💚

Well she is putting on the height and buds have been forming up nicely ... Good to see some buds again in my tent been to long . The smell is fruity to me and she shows no signs of slowing yet lol those bottom branches are reaching up as well. I love resilience of these plants she takes transplanting well and ph issues all my fault ... I'm still learning but getting better every week and so will she ... Till next week cheers family and grow on ...

Hey now, hope everyone has been well. Super excited football season is finally here so things are about to get busy. I went out of town for 4 days and the plants struggled a little bit with the PH getting slightly too high before I returned. I also came back to see that some type of insect was munching away on the lower leaves of my Sundae Driver which I sprayed the plant and coco with neem oil, but hopefully they didnt do much damage before I can get them under control I have never experienced insect problems indoors, likely because I grow in Coco and not Soil. However, I left a 5 gallon airpot full of coco from a previous grow outside for a couple weeks by mistake, and pretty sure bugs got into. I wont make that rookie mistake again. Anyways the rest of the ladies are looking pretty good, They are almost getting what I consider a full dose of nutrients, even though it half of the manufacturers recommended dosage. I am feeding all Gen Hydro cal mag, Armor Si, and maxi grow. I also add some food grade hydrogen peroxide to keep the reservoir fresh for around 10 days or so but I clean it once a week. I did get all the ladies transplanted from solo cups to airpots on day 16, and it took 24 hours or so for them to recover from the transplant and start growing again. I am running 3 of the 3.4 gallon, and 2 of the 5.4 gallon just because that is what I had available. I hopefully top them all sometime this week for the first time, as soon as the roots are a little stronger. I let them grow to 7 nodes or so before I top them and make sure they're growing fast. Hopefully I can still mainline the Sundae Driver, she looks healthy other than those two leaves chomped off. All the plants are on their 5th nodes, except for the Green Crack 2.0 which is only on her 4th node. We got another heat wave coming through my region that I am not too excited about but at least its earlly in the game and I dont need to crank this light up yet. I am only running it at 30% and its putting off plenty to keep this ladies happy. Hoping to get a topping done this week, then another one next week, and be ready to flip to flower by week 7 or so. Thanks for stopping by, Stay Safe and Blaze On!!! 💪 Website: https://medicgrow.com/ https://growdiaries.com/grower/medicgrowled

Day 36 from seed touching soil. Cookie still racing Devil for a win. All girls started to smell strong. Development is nice, Mars TSL2000 making wonderfull job. Light is on 75% output. Watered today , 3.2 liters of 6.3 phed dechlorinated water went in. Thought to instal scrog, but its hard to reach anything even now, plus lifting pots becomes a problem. So will do heavy clearing next week or at the end of this one. Day 39. Girls got heavy training. Looks sad, they were ready to sleep, i did it very late in the day and watered next morning. Happy Growing !!!

4 Purple Push Pops PPP (grew 2023 outside)2 Black Cherry Gelato BCG (love to smoke it, first time growing) Clones- from my clone guy 1000w LED, 4G Autopots,, coco/perlite 65/35, GH 3-part+ flourolicious, calimagic, SI, chelated iron, and humic acid , RO water, AC pro Controller and T8, 5x5 GG Tent with extension Garage grow SoCal This week I was out of town and let my grow grow. The autopots did their thing at about .6g a day. I did battle multiple hot days in the garage. We’re running just under 1000ppm with no issues. I ran out of bloom and used some powdered kool bloom and it worked well. Thinking of switching to jacks RO but it’s working so good now I don’t want to switch. This weeks accomplishments: install two more autopots - for the gelatos. I put the gelatos in fabric autopots, one 5g xl and one 15g xxl. Scrogging the gelatos to flatten the canpoy Long term issues Cooling and VPD targets during heat waves Preventing pest and mold issues - my humidity crept up high when I was gone and I saw a few powder leaves which were promptly removed upon my return. I had to take my fiancé to a swanky resort for a few days. I hope you all are having as much fun as I am. Best of luck gromies. Check out my black cherry gelato grow. Soon I’ll be posting my outdoor light dep grow - side by side with my indoor grow- same clone batch. This should be a great comparison of indoor versus outdoor grows side by side 👍

Glad everything is growing good. Wish the best for the flowers which are growing great. Have been using alfala meal to produce a better smell and it sure is working great . Used defoliation method on bottom leaves to produce better airflow.

Ok they're not gonna put much more weight on now, still smell dank, nice solid buds. Can't really compare it to other fat banana grows as it looks like they've given up 😕 Even tho this is not my best grow i will persevere.............. bla bla bla bla bla bla I'm off to a BBQ

This lovely lady is awesome to grow. She grows fast and very thick and sturdy stalks. It transitions to flowering really fast only after 3 weeks she was already starting. She also packs on the trichomes really late. But her colors are a complete different story 😍.. She starts throwing the red on the bottom of the leaves but flowers came out a BEAUTIFUL dark purple with a lot of orange hairs.. The bag appeal is SWAG. Would recommend this lady just on how much stress she can truly take and still produce. Good job with this one @Sweet_Seeds

These girls are starting off the week getting blasted by the Sun and heat. I had to increase the water dramatically. Pots are short and because the heat and lack of humidity they are having to be drenched. Day 2 of this week, I'm noticing some ph imbalance. I don't have ro water and my tap is 7.6 ph. I'm going to water today with 5.8 ph water and see if they green up. I also took down a tree that was shading that little one. That should speed up it's development. The 10 mph winds blew one of these over on day 1 this week. I'm propping it back up on day 2 and it should straighten out. End of day 3, everyone got some organic soil acidifier. They greened up nicely. The smallest plant this week had its new growth eaten. Ants, grasshopper, I've got a big question mark there, but she's still alive. The week finished nicely. Plants are finally getting into the super soil and taking off. The extreme heat has been tuff on them but fastbuds can handle it.

For the Grow section on my page: Throughout the germination stage, I explored three distinct seed germination techniques: the direct soil implantation, immersion in a hydroponic medium, and the classic paper towel method. My tests involved the Gods Gift autoflower from Premium Cultivators, Northern Lights from Royal Queen Seed Bank, and the F1 Epsilon strain, also from Royal. My primary focus, however, has been on the F1 Epsilon strain. As part of my shift towards commercial operations, I'm currently pushing the potential of these seeds to achieve maximum efficiency and productivity. I'm in the midst of identifying the optimal strains for my commercial venture. My objective, quite simply, is to strike an optimal balance between quality and yield for my future cannabis crops. With astute business planning and leveraging emerging laws, I plan to provide these products at a significantly lower price than my competitors. End of Germination Stage - Staring Vegetation Stage Day 9 - I inadvertently oversaturated my plants with nutrients, which led to the immediate demise of two plants. A key lesson learned was that utilizing old woolite medium is not advisable. Instead, using dirt plugs proves to be a more effective method. Moreover, it's crucial to ensure that nutrients are introduced directly into the water supply to avoid any potential harm to the plants. Additional Note: For enhanced root stability and quicker access to the water supply, it's important to situate the dirt plugs deeply within the pebbles. Also ensure germination process as follows: 12 hour soak, drop into soil plug deep into hydroponics pebble medium.

Day 56 flowering: I love Gorilla zkittelz with a passion!!!!. They have been consistent throughout the grow even if the pheno kept the other 2 smaller. Their buds are amazing to see in the light and full of trichs. They smell so fruity/candy now too. Another few days for these 2 ladies and its into the dark for 48 hrs. They have begun to fade slightly now so hopefully know they are close to their end , and start hitting the stored supplies to clear out some chlorophyll. Their buds are rock solid now and dont move and inch when pressed. Cannot wait to sample this strain.

🌱 Eternity Grow Cup: Week 2 Veg Report – Building the Foundation 🌟 First, I want to extend a heartfelt thank you to Grow Diaries, this amazing community, and all the sponsors making this journey so special: Aptus Holland, Pro-Mix Soil, TrolMaster, ThinkGrow LED, Future of Grow LED, and CannaKan. And a special shoutout to Zamnesia and Plagron for their incredible support with seeds and nutrients for this run. This wouldn’t be possible without all of you—thank you for inspiring us to put our best into this grow! 💚 Growth Update: Small but Mighty As Week 2 wraps up, the Zamnesia Runtz are still small, but they’re growing beautifully. • Leaf Development: • The first true leaves are now fully visible, and the second pair is starting to emerge on the horizon. Seeing those signs of life and progress fills me with hope and excitement. • Nutrient Introduction: • This week marked the beginning of feeding, laying the foundation for strong, vigorous growth in the weeks ahead. Current Setup • Environment: • Temps are holding at 20°C, with RH at 60%—a comfortable range for young plants. • The heat mat under the pots is maintaining an optimal root-zone temperature, keeping them cozy despite cooler room conditions. • Location: • Still growing alongside their sisters in the 4x8 tent but will soon transition into the full TrolMaster ecosystem, where precision and control will take things to the next level. Nutrient Spotlight: Starting Strong with Aptus Holland I’ve chosen to introduce the Aptus Holland lineup this week. These nutrients are carefully formulated to support plants through every stage of their growth cycle, and here’s what I’m using: 1. Aptus Regulator (0.15ml/L) • What it is: A silicon-based additive that helps plants regulate stress and environmental challenges. • Benefits: • Strengthens cell walls, leading to thicker stems and stronger leaves. • Increases stress tolerance, particularly against heat, cold, and light fluctuations. • Improves nutrient uptake, ensuring plants get the most out of their feedings. • Why now: At this early stage, Regulator gives the plants a strong foundation to handle the cooler temps and build resilience as they grow. 2. RO Water Conditioner (0.8ml/L) • What it is: A product designed to optimize Reverse Osmosis (RO) water, making it suitable for plant feeding. • Benefits: • Balances pH and stabilizes water for nutrient absorption. • Adds essential elements back into the water, ensuring a balanced feed. • Why now: Using conditioned RO water prevents imbalances and provides a clean, consistent base for all feedings. 3. All-in-One Liquid (1.25ml/L) • What it is: A complete macronutrient blend designed for vegging plants. • Benefits: • Provides all essential nutrients (N-P-K) in a balanced ratio. • Easy to use and highly effective, supporting strong vegetative growth. • Why now: As the plants develop their first leaves and roots, All-in-One Liquid ensures they have the building blocks needed to thrive. Educational Focus: Why Start Nutrients in Week 2? 1. Natural Reserves: • During the first week, seeds rely on their own nutrient stores within the seed casing. Introducing nutrients too early can overwhelm or damage delicate roots. 2. Signs of Readiness: • By Week 2, the emergence of true leaves signals that the plants are ready to transition from relying on reserves to taking in nutrients from the medium. 3. Balanced Start: • Starting with low doses ensures the plants can adjust gradually, reducing the risk of nutrient burn or stress. Week 2 Insights: Setting the Stage for Success 1. Managing Environment Challenges: • Lower temps can slow growth, but maintaining a warm root zone with a heat mat has been key to keeping these seedlings healthy and happy. 2. Patience in Veg: • Early veg may feel slow, but this phase is all about establishing strong roots and foundational growth. Remember, every strong plant starts with a strong start. 3. Why Pro-Mix Soil: • This medium provides excellent aeration and drainage, supporting rapid root growth. The added Biofungicide and Mycorrhizae further enhance plant resilience and nutrient uptake. What’s Next? As we move into Week 3, I’m excited to see these beauties continue their journey. The next steps include: • Monitoring the development of new leaves and early structural growth. • Transitioning to the TrolMaster ecosystem, where environmental precision will allow the Runtz to truly shine. • Documenting every moment through photos and videos to share the magic with this amazing community. Community Love & Thanks Thank you to everyone following along and supporting this grow. To all the participants in the Eternity Grow Cup: best of luck—let’s make this one for the history books! Stay tuned for Week 3, where we’ll dive even deeper into the evolution of these incredible plants. Until then, keep growing, keep believing, and let’s create something legendary together! 💚✨ Genetics - Runtz https://www.zamnesia.com/6000-zamnesia-seeds-runtz-feminized.html Nutrients - Plagron https://plagron.com/en/hobby - Aptus Holland https://aptus-holland.com/ Controls - Trol MAster https://www.trolmaster.eu/ LED - https://www.futureofgrow.com/en LED - https://www.thinkgrowled.com Soil - https://www.promixgardening.com/en Germination - Cannakan https://cannakan.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopXr-inLXajXu3QFgKXCXXos4F1oEvScjMKIB5MR5dk8-GJ-F49 DOGDOCTOR 15% off As always thank you all for stopping by, for the love and for it all , this journey of mine wold just not be the same without you guys, the love and support is very much appreciloved and i fell honored with you all in my life With true love comes happiness Always believe in your self and always do things expecting nothing and with an open heart , be a giver and the universe will give back to you in ways you could not even imagine so As always, this is shared for educational purposes, aiming to spread understanding and appreciation for this plant. The journey with nature is one of discovery, creativity, and respect. Let’s celebrate it responsibly and continue to learn and grow together! Growers Love To you All 💚

First week of flower started with a bit downs :/ leaves were hanging and I didn’t know why but some guys helped me here ❤️ changed the watering habit now. Started watering with feeding when pots were dry/light and watered until I got 5-10% runoff - next watering when pots are dry/light

Gorilla Cookies Auto (x3) ╭────────────────────────────────────╮ 🗓️ MONDAY 08/09/25 - 💧 WATERING - DAY 47 ╰────────────────────────────────────╯ → All stats in range, watering till runoff- runoff 7.5PH - Probably salt build up 🌡️Temp (Day/Night): 27°C / 25°C 💦 Humidity (RH): 60% 🔁 VPD (Vapor Pressure Deficit):1.3 ⚡ Soil EC mS/cm: 1.6 💧 Soil Water Content (WC): 28% 💡 Light: 90% @ 25cm from canopy 🔆 PPFD (μmol/m²/s): 900 🌬️ CO₂ (ppm): 450 ╭────────────────────────────────────╮ 🗓️ TUESDAY 09/09/25 - DAY 48 ╰────────────────────────────────────╯ → All stats in range, no action taken 🌡️Temp (Day/Night): 27°C / 25°C 💦 Humidity (RH): 60% 🔁 VPD (Vapor Pressure Deficit):1.3 ⚡ Soil EC mS/cm: 1.6 💧 Soil Water Content (WC): 19% 💡 Light: 90% @ 25cm from canopy 🔆 PPFD (μmol/m²/s): 900 🌬️ CO₂ (ppm): 450 ╭────────────────────────────────────╮ 🗓️ WEDNESDAY 10/09/25 - 💧 WATERING - DAY 49 ╰────────────────────────────────────╯ → All stats in range, watering with lighter feed and 6.2PH till runoff- runoff 7.2PH 🌡️Temp (Day/Night): 27°C / 25°C 💦 Humidity (RH): 60% 🔁 VPD (Vapor Pressure Deficit):1.3 ⚡ Soil EC mS/cm: 1.6 💧 Soil Water Content (WC): 26% 💡 Light: 90% @ 25cm from canopy 🔆 PPFD (μmol/m²/s): 900 🌬️ CO₂ (ppm): 450 ╭────────────────────────────────────╮ 🗓️ THURSDAY 11/09/25 - 💧 WATERING - DAY 50 ╰────────────────────────────────────╯ → All stats in range, watering with plain water PH 6.0 till runoff- runoff xPH 🌡️Temp (Day/Night): 28°C / 25°C 💦 Humidity (RH): 62% 🔁 VPD (Vapor Pressure Deficit):1.45 ⚡ Soil EC mS/cm: 1.2 💧 Soil Water Content (WC): 18% 💡 Light: 90% @ 25cm from canopy 🔆 PPFD (μmol/m²/s): 900 🌬️ CO₂ (ppm): 450 ╭────────────────────────────────────╮ 🗓️ FRIDAY 12/09/25 - 💧 WATERING - DAY 51 ╰────────────────────────────────────╯ → All stats in range, watering today 🌡️Temp (Day/Night): 28°C / 25°C 💦 Humidity (RH): 62% 🔁 VPD (Vapor Pressure Deficit):1.45 ⚡ Soil EC mS/cm: 1.2 💧 Soil Water Content (WC): 18% 💡 Light: 90% @ 25cm from canopy 🔆 PPFD (μmol/m²/s): 900 🌬️ CO₂ (ppm): 450 ╭────────────────────────────────────╮ 🗓️ SATURDAY 13/09/25 - DAY 52 ╰────────────────────────────────────╯ → All stats in range, no actions 🌡️Temp (Day/Night): 28°C / 25°C 💦 Humidity (RH): 62% 🔁 VPD (Vapor Pressure Deficit):1.45 ⚡ Soil EC mS/cm: 1.2 💧 Soil Water Content (WC): 18% 💡 Light: 90% @ 25cm from canopy 🔆 PPFD (μmol/m²/s): 900 🌬️ CO₂ (ppm): 450 ╭────────────────────────────────────╮ 🗓️ SUNDAY 14/09/25 - 💧 WATERING - DAY 53 ╰────────────────────────────────────╯ → All stats in range, watering today 🌡️Temp (Day/Night): 28°C / 25°C 💦 Humidity (RH): 62% 🔁 VPD (Vapor Pressure Deficit):1.45 ⚡ Soil EC mS/cm: 1.2 💧 Soil Water Content (WC): 18% 💡 Light: 90% @ 25cm from canopy 🔆 PPFD (μmol/m²/s): 900 🌬️ CO₂ (ppm): 450 ╭────────────────────────────────────╮ 🌿 OVERVIEW ╰────────────────────────────────────╯ The Gorilla Cookies Auto trio had a stable week with regular watering on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Sunday. 🌱 Monday’s runoff showed high 7.5 pH, addressed with lighter feed (6.2 pH, runoff 7.2 pH) and plain water (6.0 pH). All stats stayed optimal: temps 27–28°C (day)/25°C (night), humidity 60–62%, VPD 1.3–1.45. Soil EC dropped from 1.6 to 1.2 mS/cm after flushing; soil water content ranged 18–28%. Lights at 90% @ 25cm gave 900 μmol/m²/s PPFD, with CO₂ at 450 ppm. Lessons: pH Control: High runoff pH (7.5) suggests salt buildup; lighter feed and plain water helped. Monitor runoff. 💧 Stable Conditions: Consistent environment supported growth. 🌡️ EC Management: Flushing lowered EC—watch for nutrient balance. ⚡ Takeaway: A solid week with stable conditions and proactive pH management. Monitor runoff pH and EC to sustain progress. 🚀

Cut a few of the colas off to dry,alot of the tops are done and now just focusing on the bottom buds to ripen and turn amber :) Had a smoke today of the tallest cola,smokes great and haven't been this high in a long time so impressed with her !

9/10: New week, pictures are worth thousands of words.. will have more to say later- 9/11: I waited to long to transplant them and they have root problems to some degree or another...too wet for too long. I transplanted both of them into 3 gallon pots and observed about 50% brownish roots on both of them. 😕 I powdered the planting holes with myco, tricho, and other goodness. I added two Mars Hydro 150w lights, and a 60w 6500k LED panel light since they are all spread out now. The average CCT is still a little over 4800k, even though the Mars are a little warmer color temp than the Viparspectras. 9/12: Between the root problems and the transplant, they looked horrible, so I sprayed them with BoomBoom Spray today and will do a good root drench tomorrow with BushDoctor Boomerang. They looked better by the end of day, but still have a ways to go to get back on track... 9/17: I fed them boomerang only twice this week, and also gave them kangaroots yesterday. One of them is still kinda droopy looking..hopefully she snaps out of it soon. I'll prolly flip to 13/11 with emerson effect in the next couple of days.