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End of the week 5 of flowering I have little bit problems with humidity 60-70% and i found something that doesnt look like good thing in bud :( but only in one lady Overall ladies look good only one have something going, should i start flushing? week 6 of flowering starts today
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27 weeks in and she decides to reveg, I never could of expected that Lamb’s Breath would be harvested before Monday’s Blue, and Blue is looking so delicious and the smell, dam… the only thing I am loving is the thickness of the bud and it’s still growing, talk about good news.
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We have passed three weeks of flowering. I'm very happy with the results so far and considering we have 5 to 6 weeks to go, these buds have the potential to get huge. Started watering more, 4 liters every two days instead of every 3 days. Also after a full 3 weeks of flowering, we started the flowering amendments, 2 cups of worm castings, 1 cup of bonemeal and a cup of Micro life each. Just put that on top of the soil, watered with the Perma tea, to which I added some woodash, just two tablespoons and stirred. To 12 liters of this I added 60 ml of BAC Organic Flower, 20 mils of BAC Calmag and 12 mils of Top Max. They seemed to love it, they payed me back with enormous bud growth in the last week. Anyone still doubting the power of the SP-3000, look at this grow! This light is spectacular! Thank you @MarsHydroLED, check out their Black Friday deals on www.mars-hydro.com I have been sitting on my hands regarding defoliating. Because we had a full three weeks of flowering, I started some underside leafpicking and pruning the smallest branches with no chance of growing out. I kept it to a minimum and will gradually do more. The smells of orange and related citrus is amazing. It is a mixture of orange peels, lime, kumquat, grapefruit and those lovely little oranges they put in Earl Grey tea. The undertones are of a very dense funk, this is going to be a banger, I can tell already. Thanks for following me, all the likes and comments!! See you on one of our diaries! Hug Bud
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March 29, 2024 Day 43 It's a new week and things need some changing. First off, the light was changed around. Secondly the reservoirs are all clean now and have a fresh gallon of nutrients. Finally, environmental factors. Both plants look absolutely beautiful. They have buds popping up everywhere. They are both 14" tall and have the same structure. They are seriously hard to tell apart. Flowering just started and we are in the beginning of the stretch. With the current stage and current growth patterns, hopefully I can expect between 24" and 36" plants. They are also perfectly level with the other 2 plants in the tent. So it's quite a nice ocean of tops. Some of the branches are a bit lower than the majority. I'm not worried. They are pretty strong branches. They just need more time to adjust from the training. I'm also considering the SCroG net more. It looks like I'm going to need it for a few branches. Mostly the main side branches, but the auxiliary branches are roughly the same height. I won't be doing any more structure training. Now it will be keeping the canopy level and minor adjustments. The shape and structure of both plants are exactly where I want them. Not too wide and just barely touching the other plants. Now it's a matter of upward growth. Personally, and based on experience, I think a 36" to 48" plant is fine to manage. Anything bigger in this size tent and it becomes unmanageable. As for lighting, the light was about 22" from the canopy today. I raised it back up to 24" and increased the power back to 90%. The DLI is roughly around 44 mol/m²/d. The PAR is around 675 ppfd. Something like that. Also, the very outside of the tent walls, the DLI is around 40 mol/m²/d. So it's still in range for the whole tent. Perfect footprint. Watering was reset today. All reservoirs were cleaned out and a fresh gallon of nutrients went in. That includes the B-52. Next watering I'll be adding Sensizym when it arrives. As for the nutrient regimen, I undecided to stay with a half dose. Especially considering the fact that I'm running a bottom feed system which provides a constant water source. So the uptake could get a lot of build up with too much nutrients. This happened with some nitrogen toxicity last week. It was cleared up in no time, but that was just too much nutrients. So half I go. It should turn out perfect. The environment is looking great! I won't be changing anything up yet. The temp is spot on around 77° and the humidity is at 55%. Exactly where I want it. I will keep this environment for the rest of the flowering stretch and then I'll start to drop things down. Down to 75° and humidity of 50%. The last week of flowering, I'll try to drop the temp down to 73° and 40%. It shouldn't be a problem. The light will also be backed off with a decrease in power. But that's not for weeks. Maybe even a couple months. But the way these are growing and the reputation FastBuds has, they should be ready in 3 to 5 weeks. According to FastBuds, the veg time is between 30 and 45 days. And flowering time is the 40 to 45 days. So around 8 to 10 weeks. It took 41 days to hit flower, so that's on the high end, but within range. Maybe it will be the same 40 days in flower. Maybe 30 days. I'll take 4 weeks. Grow System Environment: Temp: 76.0° RH: 53.8% VPD: 1.38 kPa March 30, 2024 Not a lot going on for these two today. Both ladies drank about a third of a gallon yesterday and seems to be holding steady. I also checked the roots. Tropicana C isn't showing any at the moment. I was sure they would be showing by now. However Tropicana Cookies has roots showing. The funny thing is that they are the same size and still look the exact same. Both ladies got a haircut today. Not much, just some outer leaves to keep them more compact and within their quadrant. However, based on their size and growth, I may have to put the SCroG net up at 18". That should do the trick if there are any branches that take off. I also ordered the crossbars by AC Infinity. Very happy with this purchase. Now I can run the SCroG net across the entire tent without it sucking in. I can also mount my supplemental lights on it horizontally. That will give even more lower light coverage. The goal is to have no larf this go. Popcorn buds are fine as long as they are dense. This strain is supposed to produce massively dense buds. So with the setup I'm running, I should be expecting some quality bud throughout the whole plant. The light also got lifted again today. I kept the power the same, but the DLI was high at 55 mol/m²/d in the center. Much too high. Also, Tropicana Cookies was drooping before the lights got shut off yesterday. A sure sign of too much light. It seems that quadrant, in the back left corner, has more light. Maybe the grow light isn't level. Anyway, I lifted the light to 25" above the canopy. The footprint is amazing. With the center of the tent producing 48 mol/m²/d with the outside at 44 mol/m²/d. Not much of a difference and the lighting is great everywhere. I'll have to check back and see what Tropicana Cookies looks tonight. The environment is mostly alright. The temp is a bit high at 79.5°. But the humidity is perfect at 55%. Unfortunately the temp is throwing the VPD off by a decent amount at 1.50 kPa. It needs to be around 1.33 kPa. The daily average is spot on though, so that's great! Neither plant needed watering today. They both drank about a third of a gallon last night. So I expect to have to refill the reservoir in a couple days. I'd like to note that the new nutrient schedule i found didn't have Tasty Terpenes in it, so I will be adding that at 4 ml and Big Bud as well at 4 ml for the next refill. Oh and I'll also be adding the Sensizym next watering. I believe it calls for 4 ml. Basically this nutrient schedule runs at half dose. So it's pretty easy to work with. There are a few things missing, like bud ignitor and bud factor x, but everything else seems to be roughly the same as what I was using before. The major difference is the schedule itself. The old schedule was based on a photoperiod grow and that meant it was way too far extended than that of an autoflower. This new schedule takes out the guess work and makes for a really good starting point. I'm sure over time I'll change a few other things, like adding the rest of the nutrients and tweaking the amounts here and there. I'm definitely not that good yet, so I'll be learning along the way. It'll be slow going with my small setup, but I should be able to figure out the precise dosage of each nutrient based on the plant. Someday. One last thing. I increased the Cal/Mag back up to 8 ml/gal. This schedule calls for it. Grow System Environment: Temp: 75.9° RH: 54.5% VPD: 1.35 kPa March 31, 2024 These two are identical. They even have the same single top slightly taller than the rest. It's wild! They are looking great in every way now. Beautiful color green. Nice growth, they aren't quite as tall I had hoped by now, it maybe they are just low to take off. Afterall, they really just started to flower. Still kind of in pre-flower. Anyway, these two should start to take off anytime. If they don't, bummer but I'll still get some quality bud. I think it has mostly to do with the medium. It's reused and probably drained of all its original nutrients. That being said, I missed a few nutrients for the veg stage, and that could be the issue with the lack of vigor these plants are supposed to have. These ladies will be needing a reservoir top off today. Later this afternoon. They aren't quite empty enough yet, but will be in a couple of hours. Then I can refill the reservoirs. Unfortunately I still don't have the Sensizym yet, so I'm watering without again. But, I do have the bud Candy, B- 52 and Big Bud. So that's good. Oh and the Tasty Terpenes too. All at half dose of course. This should at least pump some crazy goodness in the bud development. I didn't change the light at all. No need. Both plants are happy as can be. They are reaching slightly and look great. This should also help with the stretch. I've also decided to put the SCroG net at 18". That should give me enough time to let the rest of the ant catch up but also tall enough to take care of any renegade tops from overshadowing the rest of the plants. Also, the plants are only 14.5" tall so far, so the light need not be moved. The environment is quite happy as well. It's hovering between 76° and 79°. The humidity is great! Hanging out just at 55.5%. The VPD is also in a great place around 1.35 kPa. Grow System Environment: Temp: 77.4° RH: 54.6% VPD: 1.43 kPa April 1, 2024 Not much today. I made 1 adjustment to Tropicana Cookies. One branch was starting to take off from the others and happily it was closer to the center of the plant so I pulled it out and tied it down to be just under the rest of the canopy. Neither plant needs watering today. They may not need it for a couple more days. The bottoms of the containers are nice and moist, but they aren't taking in a lot of water. Tropicana Cookies has tons of roots and still isn't taking more in than her sister plant. It's strange. Tropicana C has only a few roots popping out of the bottom sides. This could mean a root ball building up and soon will grow roots downward. At least, that's what is supposed to happen. They both grew a couple inches last night as well. Now they are 16" and climbing. I also raised the light today. I raised it nearly 2" To make up for the canopy. The DLI was kind of high at near 50 mol/m²/d on the outer parts of the tent and was over 58 mol/m²/d on the inside. Now it's back down to 45 mol/m²/d in the outside of the footprint and 53 mol/m²/d on the inside. The plants aren't in the center for this exact reason. So there is a small open space dead cell center where my dehumidifier is. Near perfect coverage. I just need a bar style light and all my lighting issues will be solved. The environment is a bit of today, but not too far off. The temp is a little low at 74.7° with the humidity being closer to 58%. It should adjust in a few hours and all will be good. Side note, I really can't tell the plants apart in the pictures. Just clues of other things in the pics. Still hard to tell. So they may be off for a bit until I can figure out what is what. Grow System Environment: Temp: 75.4° RH: 55.2% VPD: 1.31 kPa April 2, 2024 A bit of a to do today. Both ladies got a small haircut. It's been a few days now and they both kind of needed it. Mostly to keep them compact and not to overtake any other plants. Both plants have reached 19" and climbing. If I'm correct, I think the math shows 3 ft plants. It took a couple days for them to start taking off, but they were 16" yesterday and are now 19" today. That's 3" of growth over 24 hours. The stretch should take another week or 2. At this rate, 36" is quite possible. Tropicana Cookies needed a bit more trimming than her sister plant. Just a bit more, but still. Tropicana C didn't need as much trimming. Her leaves are full and beautiful. She just hasn't filled out quite as much yet. Well, now they are the same anyway, so we should see each of them grow back the same way. That's the goal anyway. I may not need a SCroG net afterall. Maybe it will be needed at 24" or maybe 30". Either way, I don't currently need it. If I had a bigger tent, it may benefit a tiny bit, but that's if I had a bigger tent. The light needed to be lifted again today. Another inch. I may have to do 2" instead. The light is roughly 23.5", but the DLI is roughly at 45 mol/m²/d. So that should be good, but it is a bit high in the center at 52 mol/m²/d. Not a problem for now, but the plants are starting to fill in the center, so I need to be careful with the light intensity. It shouldn't be an issue. The plants get rotated almost daily to help fit in the tent better. The environment is pretty good today with the temp at 76° and the humidity around 55% but can reach 58%. So it's a bit bouncy today. But the temp is pretty stable. The DLI is pretty good as well at 1.30 kPa. Grow System Environment: Temp: 74.2° RH: 58.2% VPD: 1.18 kPa April 3, 2024 Watering day today. Both ladies got a full gallon top off. All nutrients are finally in the mix. It's looking good. The plants are super happy. It looks like a gallon every 3 days is where we are for now. They are both stretching pretty hard now. Already at 21" from yesterday's 19". I may have to install the SCroG net tomorrow. Nothing is really shooting up much, but the canopy is a bit off. It's about half and half. Some branches are tall with some still being a bit stubby and short. The short ones look just as good as the taller ones, with nice bud production, but still short. If it continues, I'll need the SCroG net. I'd like to note that the internodal spacing is really nice. The bud sites are looking fantastic with plenty of space to grow some super fat nugs without clumping on top of each other. The leaf coverage is perfect now. I don't think I'll need to defoliate again for the rest of the grow. I may remove a leaf here and there, but that's it. The light needed to be raised a couple inches. The DLI was over 50 mol/m²/d. Now it's back to normal. The light is just over 24" from the canopy. The DLI is back down to 45 mol/m²/d and the footprint is looking great! The environment is a bit skewed today with rain outside. The humidity is up to 59% and the temp is a little lower at 75°. Even with the dehumidifier on. I may have to turn on the main dehumidifier in my room and see what happens. It should adjust itself this afternoon. Grow System Environment: Temp: 75.6° RH: 56.2% VPD: 1.29 kPa April 4, 2024 Not much going on today. I got my side bars in so I installed those and the SCroG net to about an inch over the canopy. Some of the tops are starting to take off and need to be pulled back down. I didn't bother checking the water today. It's definitely not ready and tomorrow is the start of a new week. I may not even be able to water for another day or so. It should be fine though. The light was also left alone. No need to move it until the ladies catch up. The environment is also looking pretty good today. The temp is at a nice 76° with the humidity at 55%. The VPD looks great at 1.33 kPa. Everything looking great. What a great end to a productive week. Grow System Environment: Temp: 75.5° RH: 54.8% VPD: 1.33 kPa
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Was a good learning experience. I'm not going to get near the weight I expected from these, and though the bud turned out really tasty, I don't think I'll grow it again. I'm not sure I would recommend to a newbie. It was in some awesome living soil, but some deficiencies crept up in flower, and I wasn't impressed with the roots upon post mortem exam. On second look, even the photo on msnl's site shows some spots that looks like deficiencies. Definitely some grower errors here, but all of my ongoing grows faced the same challenges and these just seemed less adaptable. Anyhow, I've been graced with some clean meds for now, and I'm a happy growin hooman. 👽 I also probably won't do any more autoflowers moving forward. Just not my style. There are some great peeps doing outstanding work with autos though. Best to them and all! :) D82 - 12.12 - cut the second auto cheese yesterday. Let her go as long as I was comfortable. Think her run in with the gnats resulted in the the deficiencies. Awfully covered in trichs, so it should make for tasty smoke after dried, trimmed and cured.. Shall update
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-Bagseed from Breeder (Friend)- •Cherry Cream Genetics: •Ice Cream Man (mother) x •Cherry Wine (CBD) (father) Ratio 1:1
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This week they proceed quickly apart from some small external climate problems still a little too cold but generally everything is ok, no problems neither with water nor with too much ferlizing .. So I can say that everything is going in the right direction! How about?
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Gorilla Zkittlez Auto is a true work of art among autoflowers. With its powerful, dense buds literally dotted with 'sugar', each stage of growth of this plant is pure eye pleasure. The scent she exudes is as delicious as her taste-sweet, with fruity notes, promising an unforgettable delight. This beauty not only looks great, but also gives a strong, powerful effect that both relaxes and cheers up. Special thanks for this outstanding variety of 42Fast Buds, and, of course, Xpert Nutrients-your fertilizers made such impressive results possible. Each stage of growth was perfect thanks to this tandem. This variety is a real miracle for any grower! Xpert Nutrients is the fertilizer that truly makes a difference! 🌱 From the very start of our grow, Xpert Nutrients has proven itself to be exceptional. Every plant receiving this nourishment flourishes—from strong roots to dense, trichome-covered buds. With its balanced formula and ease of use, our beauties get everything they need for optimal growth and flowering. It’s a joy to see how the plants respond to this fertilizer! A huge thank you to Xpert Nutrients for your high-quality product and continuous support. Without your nutrients, our results wouldn't be as impressive! 🙌
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After two years of cultivation we wanted to re-propose one of our favorite strains 🤩 The first time we debuted we did it with her and we hit the box office by winning the first place in the competition .... LET'S SEE IF WE CAN REPROPOSE US BY IMPROVING CULTURE APPROACHES ! I hope you enjoy the content and I leave it up to you to judge the progress of my growing experience
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esta semana estuvo muy ocupada y no tuve mucho tiempo para hacer los discos, pero los que hice están ahí.
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all week was high temp, but plant looks good, so continue to do my best... :D First view of flowering was at 27-28 days, at 5 floor of plant)
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------------------------- | BLUEBERRY HARVEST | ------------------------- After two sunny days it is harvest time !! - Finally, 16 days of flush - At first thought, the trimming would be easier compared to my previous plants, but when removing more leaves, more buds appearing too hahaha so it took like 4 hours or more..It is not the most accuurate trimming but i had not much time that day, i removed all the leaves and branches after weighting it all.. Like i said on the last post, im harvesting having in mind my bud preferences (the later the better), weather, humidity and sunlight, so the first of the cloudy/rainy days she was chopped in the moring, attending the principle of thc regeneration at night.. Got to say that, i wasnt expecting such production (8 days until it was well dried), this plant started as the season saver because the Cheese started to flower in march, revegged etc.. and i have been rewarded with this BB, a true genetic portent !! If i could, i would keep her as mother forever ^^ The quality is awesome, she looks more like a WW talking about that coat of thc.. Flavour without proper cure, is deep earthy at first, transitioning to a fruity, sweet one, it is a pleasure to smoke, delicious sweet aftertaste.. Maybe, this is the last year with this awesome climate, because im planning to leave Spain.. Thank you for follow and check !!! I hope you liked the diary :) Song of the week : Radiohead - Codex Good Vibes GrowDiaries !! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 000000000000
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You can find tbe first week of all girls on my profile, second week is missing coz its just boring and now i start week 3 so its day 15 today from placing seeds to germination. Uploaded a video of their habitat, i still wont name each one indifidually coz i still didnt choose winners / keepers. Unfortunatelly i have a bit low RH for this stage of growth but they obviously dont mind, i spray them twice a day, no burns from spraying with lights on, no electroshocks caused by spraying so all good now. I tried it all enough to be able to say i cant be assed anymore :D Since @growdiaries are not keen on resolving a problem with uploading each pic individually on androids, i will keep one diary for all girls, dont even mind not being able to compete in dom. Stay tuned these girls will rock.
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Day 119. Will update later. This grow is almost finished .... Jar day - all is done, now cure left. Happy Growing !!! P.S. if you are searching for Killer Kush, she got separate diary, my favourite of all 3 strains.
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And it starts like this. an official collaboration starts with the friends of Zamnesia, from today I will only grow, grow and flower Zamnesia Seeds plants and I really like it. We are close to a flowering in the extreme heat and therefore we opted to start with 4 very fast F1s, they are not joking guys when they tell you that they are made to be more resistant, stable and fast they are not telling you something false. The girls are super fast, even those from other brands tried in the past are excellent and a sliver and this one from Zamnesia have all it takes to be the best autoflowering on the market. The Pineapple Express F1s were also born at the speed of light, 22 hours in water, 36 on land and we were already born, both of them. Oh yes, a lot of research is being done on autoflowering plants, you have all noticed monstrous improvements compared to Low Rider and subsequent derivatives. Whoever works best wins and from what I have been able to see so far Zamnesia is working very well. I know, there is a group of sceptics, friends I'm here on purpose, give me a couple of months and we'll see. Zamnesia is the best online shop in the situation, you can find everything from seeds, to mushroom kits, through vaporizers and a thousand other things https://www.zamnesia.io Pineapple Express F1 seeds specifically https://www.zamnesia.com/10681-zamnesia-seeds-pineapple-express-f1-automatic.html Site Description ZAMNESIA SEEDS - PINEAPPLE EXPRESS F1 HYBRID AUTOMATIC: FRUITY FLAVORS AND ENERGETIC EFFECTS Combining Trainwreck with Hawaiian, Pineapple Express F1 Hybrid Automatic brings a beloved strain to new heights. This autoflowering F1 hybrid cultivar ensures exceptional uniformity, reliability, and stability, making it well-suited to growers of all experience levels. If you've not checked out Pineapple Express F1 hybrid Automatic for yourself just yet, now is the time. GROWING PINEAPPLE EXPRESS F1 HYBRID AUTOMATIC All it takes is 8–9 weeks from germination before Pineapple Express F1 hybrid Automatic is ready to harvest. Thankfully, very little effort is required throughout the growing process, aside from a bit of maintenance, to ensure ample, high-quality harvests. Thanks to its F1 genetics, Pineapple Express F1 Automatic offers superb resilience and uniformity, meaning all plants will have a similar height and appearance, and will churn out comparably large yields. Reaching heights of 50–70cm, Pineapple Express F1 Automatic is not an overbearing plant and can effortlessly slot into any setup. Once ready to yield, growers can see a return in the region of 400–550g/m² indoors and up to 200g/plant outdoors. AROMAS, FLAVORS, AND EFFECTS OF PINEAPPLE EXPRESS F1 HYBRID AUTOMATIC Just one hit of Pineapple Express F1 hybrid Automatic treats users to a rich assortment of flavors and aromas. This strain offers strong pineapple notes alongside moments of citrus, spice, and pine, making for a mouth-watering blend that's extremely moreish. Bolstered by 21% THC and an array of cannabinoids, Pineapple Express F1 Automatic showcases an energetic and uplifting high that will have you feeling chatty in no time. So if you've been looking for a strain to enjoy with friends, Pineapple Express F1 Automatic could be just the thing.
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She is getting there now crystals has form on every bud
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Básicamente lo mismo, aunque está semana pilló bastante más horas de luz(tuve que irme fuera de casa dos findes seguidos, en los cuales la dejé con la luz encendida full 24/7 en la caja) Como experiencia utilicé café reposado 48h para "alimentarla" e intentar bajar el Ph de la tierra (coco ph6+hummus ph7+vermiculita ph8= ph total 7) El otro experimento fue cubrir la tierra con coco para que el tallo eche raíces y aprovechar su espigamento! Las horas de luz solía dejarla 8h en bombilla mientras duermo, y el día la pongo en la ventana a que tome el fresco, pero apenas tiene luz directa, me da la sensación que crece más rapido cuando vuelvo del finde, estoy replanteandome tenerla más tiempo en la caja con luz, porque la veo aún pequeña, y quizá ponerle un ventilador de pc o algo🤔..veremos, aún tengo el papel de aluminio al lado de la caja y ni se lo he puesto, con eso os lo digo todo☝️🎃
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Hey guys :-) . Today the plant was sprayed again with neem oil. There weren't any more trips to be seen after the second application, but to be on the safe side, you did it again today get a cure. That's why the beautiful dark shimmer on the leaves :-). She has developed very well this week. I will give you 7-10 days before I switch to flowering. This week it was poured 3 times with 1 l each (nutrients see table above) Otherwise everything was cleaned and, as always, everything was checked. Have fun with the update and stay healthy 🙏🏻 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼 You can buy this Nutrients at : https://greenbuzzliquids.com/en/shop/ With the discount code: Made_in_Germany you get a discount of 15% on all products from an order value of 100 euros. 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼 You can buy this strain at : https://www.ripperseeds.com/en/feminized/kmintz-feminized-cannabis-seeds Water 💧 💧💧 Osmosis water mixed with normal water (24 hours stale that the chlorine evaporates) to 0.2 EC. Add Cal / Mag to 0.4 Ec Ph with Organic Ph - to 5.8 - 6.4 MadeInGermany