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2 x 2 Steel Cabinet
Indoor
Room Type
Patience
weeks 1
Defoliation
weeks 2-5, 7-8, 12
FIMing
weeks 3
Topping
weeks 3-4
LST
weeks 3-5, 7-8
Expanded Clay
Grow medium
Mineral Wool
Grow medium
30 L
Pot Size
0
Germination
3 years ago
This new 2 x 2 x 55 design packs everything you could want INSIDE a 100% Wi-Fi / Smart enabled grow cabinet; including a reservoir chiller. You can easily adjust and view all your variables remotely. No more guessing or endless A/B testing. We’ve been running this new cabinet design empty for 10 days. We can keep the temperature within 1-2 degree, and the humidity within “2-4%” of our desired schedule (excluding full room exchanges); INSIDE the grow cabinet. We are implementing dual humidity system, so we will have adequate humidity inside this box without swimming in the high humidity in the office. Should help significantly with keeping LVPD in check without turning my desk into a swamp. Secondary humidifiers on the way. Three seeds are soaking today. Maybe I’ll have something in the hopper soon! Just created some software logic and added secondary humidifier into the grow box today and was able to bring the the humidity differential into check. I don’t have much faith in this 2 liter humidifier but I have room to squeeze another in on the other side if it drinks too fast. It’s on all the time with exhaust requirement. I can now keep my office around 50% and the box in the lower 60’s at canopy, with a 5-6 degree temp differential between the inside box and ambient. WAY better since I have to work in here too, and will get me in an ideal LVPD range. To get in the 60’s inside the box before meant my humidity in the office was close to 80% at times. Yikes. No dice with the “m” word. We’ll see how all the tech plays together for the next day or so. Beans should pop in the next day or two? Today added smart energy monitor outlet on grow cabinet and another for heating, cooling, humidity and circulation. This configures into our app too! System is just about dialed in with all variables in check. One bean crack today, so time to get the loose ends tied, and let her do her thing. All three seeds cracked today. Stuck them into 3 mini humidity domes filled with RW, and placed them in the grow cabinet.
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Paper Towel
Germination Method
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Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Can some of you tell me what you consider day 1? Tap sprout, breaking soil/medium, etc? One of those things that deserve standardization of sorts, right?
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Germination. Cube
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Hashy
Hashyanswered grow question 3 years ago
I usually class day 0 as the day they break ground and day 1 the day after cos its 1 day old.
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Week 1. Vegetation
3 years ago
5.72 cm
18 hrs
28 °C
5.8
No Smell
200 PPM
65 %
20 °C
21 °C
24 °C
30 L
71.12 cm
600 PPM
Nutrients 5
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.264 mll
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 0.264 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 0.264 mll
FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 1 – WEEK 4: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 1-3 – DON’T ADD WATER FOR WEEKS 1-3. AT THE BEGINNING WEEK 4 ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM WEEKS 1-3 AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT WEEK 4 NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL WEEK 4 IS OVER. FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 5 - 6: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 5-6 – DON’T ADD WATER UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK. AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM THE PREVIOUS WEEK AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT THE CURRENT WEEK NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL THE WEEK IS OVER FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 7 – WEEK 10: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 7-10 – DON’T ADD WATER UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK. AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM THE PREVIOUS WEEK AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT THE CURRENT WEEK NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL THE WEEK IS OVER INITIAL NUTRIENT AMOUNTS ARE SHOWN ON WEEKS 1, 5, & 7 – THE RES CHANGE WEEKS. ADD-BACKS (DAYS BETWEEN RESEVOIR CHANGE DAYS) REFLECT THE AMOUNT OF NUTRIENT NEEDED TO RAISE PPM TO THE CURRENT WEEK PPM TARGET BY 100PPM/GAL. THESE IN BETWEEN WEEKS INCLUDE FLORA TRIO AS CALCULATED, AND ALL OTHER SUPPLEMENTS LISTED AT A STRAIGHT-LINE RATE. Have 3 equally-looking sprout ladies. They’re a bit young to take home, so I’ll give it a week or so and will pick a winner. Grow cabinet finally in check. Quite the chore on the initial set up with smart devices and software, but she’s good to go from here on out. Tight variables with temp and humidity. As far as CO2, I have averaged what I have in the finished shed area. If I’m working in there for an hour and a half it can get to 1200pom, easy. It has gone as high as 2500 if I have been in the office area for a period of time! The CO2 smart sensor turns the outdoor inline exhaust on when ppm hits 1200, to bring it down to 750 which is the limit temperature-wise I can handle working daily in the space. This enrichment level also matches the PPFD of my light, so more CO2 would be a waste anyways. DYI CO2 generator on the way to raise levels up if room drops to ambient CO2 levels when I’m not gassing the room myself. Skeptical about this CO2 generator, but we will see if it can at least supplement the lows during lights on/when out of office. Roots hit the nutrient solution on the 6th day. I will drop the level a couple inches and let her run on the same solution to transition. My nutrient add backs will be for the ratios of that week. Looking good so far. I decided to jam everything of grow worthiness into this box. Complete fire hazard behind this grow box, but only drawing about 200-200 watts. I ordered a larger c02 generator that BARELY fits in the box. Only getting about 2 days from current one. 4 days will suffice with a larger generator as it will get cut in early flower. This is about the smallest/shallowest netted pot I have ever used. The goal was to get the roots out of the medium and into solution using vigorous air bubbles to keep the pot wet. No pumps in this bucket. Roots hit nutrients in 6 days from sprout. Sweet…
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Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
If for my grow, I call day 1 when the seed breaks medium, should I be including the next 6 days under germination week, or start week 2 as veg?
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Germination. Other
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Ezzjaybruhanswered grow question 3 years ago
Interesting papa T - I get it’s not true veg til a few weeks in but there’s no seedling stage for the diary so I just start week 1 of veg on the diary as the day it pops thru medium and cotyledons open and face the light
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Week 2. Vegetation
3 years ago
6.99 cm
18 hrs
29 °C
5.8
No Smell
350 PPM
65 %
20 °C
21 °C
24 °C
30 L
0 L
63.5 cm
800 PPM
Nutrients 8
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.132 mll
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 0.159 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 0.079 mll
FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 1 – WEEK 4: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 1-3 – DON’T ADD WATER FOR WEEKS 1-3. AT THE BEGINNING WEEK 4 ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM WEEKS 1-3 AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT WEEK 4 NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL WEEK 4 IS OVER. FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 5 - 6: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 5-6 – DON’T ADD WATER UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK. AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM THE PREVIOUS WEEK AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT THE CURRENT WEEK NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL THE WEEK IS OVER FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 7 – WEEK 10: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 7-10 – DON’T ADD WATER UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK. AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM THE PREVIOUS WEEK AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT THE CURRENT WEEK NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL THE WEEK IS OVER INITIAL NUTRIENT AMOUNTS ARE SHOWN ON WEEKS 1, 5, & 7 – THE RES CHANGE WEEKS. ADD-BACKS (DAYS BETWEEN RESEVOIR CHANGE DAYS) REFLECT THE AMOUNT OF NUTRIENT NEEDED TO RAISE PPM TO THE CURRENT WEEK PPM TARGET BY 100PPM/GAL. THESE IN BETWEEN WEEKS INCLUDE FLORA TRIO AS CALCULATED, AND ALL OTHER SUPPLEMENTS LISTED AT A STRAIGHT-LINE RATE. I’ll be leaving for 6 days real soon. Cabinet is running like a top, will have to triple check all systems before I leave. I do have full control of everything remotely which helps the anxiety. I think I will crank up the exterior humidifier while I’m gone. I won’t be working in the office area, and the cabinet humidifiers only give me about 4 days. All should be good, fingers crossed! Citric/Soda CO2 Generator was a bust for any set up. I used a 4L version and barely got 2 days at 750ppm. I picked up a 5lb bottle of CO2 that fits inside box and waiting on a solenoid to pair it with the tri-sensor and switch. No controller per say. Hope it gets here before I leave tomorrow! Day 3 of my “Home Alone” lady in the DWC. Everything staying in near perfect check. I’m glad I dug out the ph dozer, I hope it stays true. It has been in the boneyard of hydro gadgets for nearly 5 years. BlueLab products are abusively expensive, but are by far the most reliable in my opinion - I hope:) PPM and PH ran a flatline all week with no fluctuations. Equilibrium is a good thing, right? Just tested dissolved oxygen in my reservoir and it tested at 9 ppm which is kinda weak. Need to investigate.
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Week 3. Vegetation
3 years ago
17.78 cm
18 hrs
29 °C
5.8
Weak
450 PPM
60 %
20 °C
21 °C
24 °C
30 L
1 L
53.34 cm
1000 PPM
Nutrients 8
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.132 mll
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 0.185 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 0.079 mll
FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 1 – WEEK 4: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 1-3 – DON’T ADD WATER FOR WEEKS 1-3. AT THE BEGINNING WEEK 4 ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM WEEKS 1-3 AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT WEEK 4 NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL WEEK 4 IS OVER. FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 5 - 6: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 5-6 – DON’T ADD WATER UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK. AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM THE PREVIOUS WEEK AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT THE CURRENT WEEK NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL THE WEEK IS OVER FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 7 – WEEK 10: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 7-10 – DON’T ADD WATER UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK. AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM THE PREVIOUS WEEK AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT THE CURRENT WEEK NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL THE WEEK IS OVER INITIAL NUTRIENT AMOUNTS ARE SHOWN ON WEEKS 1, 5, & 7 – THE RES CHANGE WEEKS. ADD-BACKS (DAYS BETWEEN RESEVOIR CHANGE DAYS) REFLECT THE AMOUNT OF NUTRIENT NEEDED TO RAISE PPM TO THE CURRENT WEEK PPM TARGET BY 100PPM/GAL. THESE IN BETWEEN WEEKS INCLUDE FLORA TRIO AS CALCULATED, AND ALL OTHER SUPPLEMENTS LISTED AT A STRAIGHT-LINE RATE. Well, tomorrow I’ll be heading back home after a 6 day Hiatus. The humidifiers inside the grow box have exhausted their water reserves but they got me through almost 5 days. Not too shabby for 2 - 1.8L humidifiers. Humidity running in the low 50’s now, but will get humidity back to 60% zone tomorrow. Grow box is running beautifully. Having remote access to every device connected to the system kept my sanity in check. Gotta love technology. Very strong/sturdy plant so far. Bit worried, based on root growth, she may grow a red sequence halter top and gold lasso, and break out of her incarceration. The 8 gallon bucket so far is a bit more stable than 5 gallons of past. Bucket has been riding at 5.8 without any adds and the ppm schedule at equilibrium. More reservoir volume, more buffering. Bit early to make the call, but flower will tell all. Branches are very “stumpy” for mid Veg. Snapped a lower branch completely off with little effort, so will go easy on LST! Plant grew very fast last 4 days of week 3, but not as perky as other Autos at this stage. Finished the week with a FIM, removed 4 large fan leaves blocking newer growth shoots, and tied down 2 mid-branches. Reservoir level is dropping and I may see how far down it goes through week four. May be able to delay first res change to week 7 (if ever) is she drinks enough, and I get creative with my add backs. I’ll see where it takes me. Plant just starting to take advantage of CO2 as plant height grows into the 600 PPFD range from fixed light design. Will keep gas off until week 3 if I stick with this light for another run.
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Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Can one top an Auto (10-14 week strain) in late 4th week? I’ve been topping on day 21 since growing autos but feel there room based on past grows. Advantages/Disadvantages if done before preflower?
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Setup. Strain - Autoflowering
Techniques. Topping
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Papa_Tanswered grow question 3 years ago
Most people generally don’t top an auto but your plant is looking like fire and you’ve got a good grasp of what you’re doing by the looks of it. So I say if you’re having success doing what you do then don’t change bro. It sounds like you already know when to do this strategically as to not stress the plant at critical phases. Obviously the short lifespan of an auto makes it less desirable to stress it through its life. But a plant is a plant and it can be topped. But topping before preflower is gonna decreases bud sites. I don’t think there’s benefits from doing this at this point. Cheers 🤙
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Week 4. Vegetation
3 years ago
22.86 cm
18 hrs
29 °C
5.8
Weak
500 PPM
55 %
20 °C
21 °C
24 °C
30 L
1 L
50.8 cm
1200 PPM
Nutrients 8
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.132 mll
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 0.159 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 0.106 mll
FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 1 – WEEK 4: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 1-3 – DON’T ADD WATER FOR WEEKS 1-3. AT THE BEGINNING WEEK 4 ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM WEEKS 1-3 AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT WEEK 4 NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL WEEK 4 IS OVER. FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 5 - 6: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 5-6 – DON’T ADD WATER UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK. AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM THE PREVIOUS WEEK AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT THE CURRENT WEEK NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL THE WEEK IS OVER FEEDING REGIMENT WEEK 7 – WEEK 10: LET YOUR PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET DOWN AND ADD ONLY NUTRIENTS AT THE PER-WEEK AMOUNTS FOR WEEKS 7-10 – DON’T ADD WATER UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK. AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH WEEK ADD BACK WATER LOST FROM THE PREVIOUS WEEK AND ADJUST NUTIRENTS AT THE CURRENT WEEK NUTRIENT RATIOS. LET THE PLANT DRINK THE BUCKET UNTIL THE WEEK IS OVER INITIAL NUTRIENT AMOUNTS ARE SHOWN ON WEEKS 1, 5, & 7 – THE RES CHANGE WEEKS. ADD-BACKS (DAYS BETWEEN RESEVOIR CHANGE DAYS) REFLECT THE AMOUNT OF NUTRIENT NEEDED TO RAISE PPM TO THE CURRENT WEEK PPM TARGET BY 100PPM/GAL. THESE IN BETWEEN WEEKS INCLUDE FLORA TRIO AS CALCULATED, AND ALL OTHER SUPPLEMENTS LISTED AT A STRAIGHT-LINE RATE. Always nervous about topping and defoliating in week 3/4. She bounced back quickly after LST and HST, so things may be on target for a decent harvest. I will drink down as much as possible for last 5 days of the week and do first reservoir change at beginning of week 5. For day 23, this plant is pretty dang big given her coffin size; and when compared to other compact Autos. I may cut CO2 during stretch, she may grow into into the light. Keeping a sharp eye over next week. Nutrient schedule finally feeling right. Ph hasn’t budged in 23 days. Add backs have no effect on PH. Sticking at 5.8 going into week 4. I hope the 8 gallon runs stable into flower. I now have most of the branches tied at a near lateral position, but need to work the top as it grown back in. Branches stretch over the last few days and not nearly as thick as initial growth. FIM-job looks good with 4 mains, and two side shoots coming out of the chop site. Nice. Day 25: I think I may need to move this thing out of this box. Wicked growth compared to other compact Auto varieties grown in similar environments. Hm ...
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Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
My Plantess is bigger than the BBanner, Zkittlez, GGlue Autos grown in the past; same genetic stature. By the end of week 4 she will be wall-to-wall and 10-11"H. I lateralized branches for when FIM-job grows in. 24" max plant height. Move her out of this 2 x 2 tin can?
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Plant. Other
Techniques. LST
Techniques. HST
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
I'd keep it in that, autos don't like getting moved around to much.
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Week 5. Flowering
3 years ago
30.48 cm
18 hrs
29 °C
5.8
Weak
575 PPM
55 %
20 °C
21 °C
26 °C
30 L
1 L
40.64 cm
1200 PPM
Nutrients 9
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.581 mll
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 0.581 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 0.898 mll
She's growing rapidly for sure. I squeezed in 3 defoliation/LST sessions in week 4, and just finish my fourth in week 5. Recovered and moving forward, within hours every time. Getting good light penetration/new shoot growth. Some of her extremities are near 90 degree angles now, with[ smaller branches racing to the top. Hoping the low branches catch up soon, there quite the growth happening at the FIM location! Well, I went ahead and took the top that emerged 8 days after FIM. She’s definitely in preflower, hope she didn’t mind. She was plenty big, and I am anticipating space issues. Fingers crossed. Day 32: The topping yesterday definitely slowed her down based on what she looked like 45 minutes after light on. Hopefully she picks up steam again in 4-6 hours. No the time for any halts at this stage! Few days since I topped in mid-week 5, and things are looking really good. I left the CO2 on for the transition period, hope she doesn’t go upward too much. I’ll keep an eye on her and maybe cut the CO2 if she start running fast.
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Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Could I top this FIM from a week ago? I have lateralized all her branches, but feel there is a lot of catching up to do. Branch spread is ideal for this grow space, but comparatively low. Am I really effecting yield, if I am satisficed with the growth in place and take the top?
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Techniques. Topping
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
Normally at this point in a grow I would say no, and use LST. Trying to even it out with the two shoot from that node to give your self another main cola. but your plant is massive, and looks like its doing very well. I Don't think that little nubbin going missing will do shit to your over all yields. Its a BEAST! Go for it. Pinch that little sucker off. Happy Growing!
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Week 6. Flowering
3 years ago
40.64 cm
18 hrs
31 °C
5.8
Weak
575 PPM
55 %
20 °C
21 °C
26 °C
30 L
2 L
30.48 cm
1200 PPM
Nutrients 9
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.581 mll
TriPart Grow - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Grow 0.581 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 0.898 mll
Just whacked the heck out of her. I think someone may call social services on me. I removed all wiring, took a ton of leaves and, and re-set all training wires for last time. She looked a bit “soft” after the defoliation, I won’t be mad if she take a sick day, but hope I didn’t go to far. Day after big defoliation and she is doing fine, but looks like a full day recovery for this plant. Isn’t the worse, but compared to the other defoliations, she did flinch this time. Bumped the ppm a bit. Day 37: She definitely took the day off to go shopping, but she at least got out of the house. Improvement from yesterdays defol massacre, but she didn’t completely stall out. I won’t be upset if things work against me. Space is still a concern so if I lose a few inches in height then so be it. Day 38: She limping along, but definitely did not like the week 5 defoliation. In the end this will be a good thing, she was way too big, way to fast for this 2 x 2 tin with only 30" from bucket to light. Time will tell what a 2 day vacation will cost the boss. Day 40: She looks super healthy but may be running slow; or bud production not to spec for end of week 6. I killed the stretch completely on the heavy defol. Will it cost me? She looks like the end of week 5, and not week 6? Every strain is different, so hope the massacre isn't going to cost me! Day 41: She is growing VERY fast now, and the height anxiety has kicked in - again. Last 24 hrs. = 2" growth. Ending the week with a very strong plant despite her punishment, and 3 day stall. She’s growing wicked fast again with another 2” day and I’m thinking I may need to re-massacre mid-week. She’s gonna stretch for another week easy, and lord knows where that will leave me with space. I guess I could cut the CO2; but that’s no fun!
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Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
My plant grew massively the first 4 weeks, and leaves became jammed regardless of my training techniques. A medium defoliation, turned into a massacre! Growth slowed last two days - almost up to speed again. What will come of a near "Schwazz" in early week 6 (auto), in the end?
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Techniques. Defoliation
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Fruitgroweranswered grow question 3 years ago
That's not necessarily true what organoman said below. As long as the plant is healthy, Taking off some excess foliage and small budsites is good for the plant and the end result. Pulling off dead or dying leaves and lower down leaves actually makes more sugars and nutrients available to the plant and causes a mild stress response which strengthens and send food to the other branches. It should also be mentioned that this should only be done before and after the flowering stretch, avoid during stretch period can stunt growth. 🌱👍
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Week 7. Flowering
3 years ago
55.88 cm
18 hrs
31 °C
5.9
Normal
550 PPM
50 %
20 °C
21 °C
26 °C
30 L
3 L
15.24 cm
1200 PPM
Nutrients 7
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.793 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 1.321 mll
Floralicious Plus - Terra Aquatica
Floralicious Plus 0.264 mll
Preparing to yank out top shelf and rejig things. I can only gain 4” but it will be needed as this thing is running hard. Closer than 8-10” to the LED light, and she WILL get cooked! Next Gen grow box gains almost 8” in height with same dimensions, so problem solved. I may have to cut CO2 until stretch is over or just cut altogether. I got a close eye in her. Day 44: She's looking good, and stretching at a rate of 2"/day in her tin can. I did a light defoliation and cleaned up training wires. I'll leave her be from here on out; less some selective defoliation to keep sites open. I cut CO2 (which would have been helpful a bit earlier), and may turn back on at the end of week 8, time will tell. Day 46: She looks like she is 4+ days behind when compared to the other 4 autos I have grown. She will either catch up, take longer to mature, or I'm screwed because of the heavy defol. Flower development seems slow/odd. 10pm and she’s now 22” tall and too close to the light. Flower productivity accelerating for sure. Maybe she will just catch up, and finish late? Bummer I had this one in quarantine. Day 48: leave symptoms developed further into dark rust spots very suspect to a calcium deficiency. I flushed for a few hours, cut Gro out all together and bumped Micro and Bloom. Increased CalMag from .8ml to 1.5 ml/gallon. Now observing. Day 49: Another day or two will tell but it feels like the deficiency is slowing as the progression on day 47-48 was an hour by hour progression. Throughout the week, and almost everyday, I have taken a dozen or so leaves throughout the canopy and the undergrowth. One day I defoliated her pretty good, but not super heavy. Massive leaf production and has crowded the plant/bud sites out in a matter of a day or two. Day 52: Looks like calcium or possibly potassium deficiency back in check. Newer leaves look good and no progression on older leaves.
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Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Twice between heavy defoliations the were leaves were so jammed together some leaves would get wet from contact with other leaves. It's the only leaf on the whole plant like this - as of now. Seems like Calmag? Product of sweating? Nute splash? (week 7 photos)
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Leaves. Color - Dark-brown
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
If it's only on one leaf I would not worry to much about it. It could have been water damage from being wet like you said and then getting burnt from the lights. Or a splash of the nutrients. Don't panic if its just one leaf and keep an eye on it. Don't remove it as well, if it gets much worse on that leaf then it will help us determine what it could be. Good Luck!
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Leaves have faint large spots in the center/top of the plant. Light is 8” from the center of the plant. Almost purplish/gray color. I have a mid grow flush coming up this Saturday. Long flush? Is the light distance to blame, something else?
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Leaves. Other
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m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
your NPK in GH nutes alone is. 1.3-2.5-4.3 add in the others as well. silicon 0-0-4 calmeg 1-0-0 koolbloom 0-10-10 floralicious 2-.8-.02 I don't think it needs more potassium, maybe less. Could try 1ml-1.2ml calmg vs .8ml excess potassium also looks similar to what your experiencing. and needing phosphorus also looks like this. excess potassium locks out calcium as well and this looks like that too. I'd cut back potassium somewhere maybe armor SI and Kool Bloom / flora grow. Could as in more micro to boost the lost nitrogen from grow. Best Of Luck!
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
This is a note for my previous question. Wanted to pass along my auto feeding schedule is in my germination week if it helps any. Also my Koolbloom ppm wasn’t set to ml/gal so that was looking way off in a number of weeks so I updated that
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Leaves. Other
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m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
Was wondering what happened to my old answer, its a new question lol. that photo is small and blurry but I made out most of it. week 7-9 flower still looking at NPK of 3.0-4.3-7.43 I still think potassium is on the high side and phosphorus could be a bit higher. Cheers,
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Week 8. Flowering
3 years ago
55.88 cm
20 hrs
26 °C
6
Strong
600 PPM
45 %
20 °C
21 °C
21 °C
30 L
4 L
30.48 cm
650 PPM
Nutrients 7
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.793 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 1.585 mll
Floralicious Plus - Terra Aquatica
Floralicious Plus 0.264 mll
Big healthy plant for the most part, but the flowering just won’t kick in! This is the week that says she’s running behind or that she’s going to be on a cocaine diet till the end? Need some bulk, it’s week 8 already. I don’t like my girls fast anyways, so I’ll be a patient gent. Day 51: Early AM: It seems that the flowers are starting to fatten up at a familiar rate now. Stretch is definitely over to boot. Feels like a week or so behind my other Auto grows, but I am gathering from the peeps on GD that grow times can be all over the place with Autos; even with seeds front the same plant. I won't be a Debbie-downer, but I cant help but think what this thing would have done in a bigger space. I left her alone a couple days ago as her stretch slowed noticeably. A pluck here and there moving forward, but that's about it for the sadistic stuff. Day 51: Late Afternoon: She's about to take off in the flower it feels. 6 hours passed, and I was like "oh, hello there!" If nothing goes too crazy, I'm hoping she'll be a good one regardless of her 3.8 sf living quarters. I never did move the top shelf, so the light is less than 8 inches from the canopy. I'll keep an eye on the "crispy effect" out of complete laziness and fear of dropping the light on the plant! Tallest branches are around the perimeter and still hitting their DLI. The center/down the plant is getting blasted by the light, so I suspect about 6 or so runners to hit the canopy and hang out with the FIM family in the next week or so? Day 51: Evening: Bigger bucket = bigger plant in hydro? One heck of a root mass going on in her trough. I tried pushing the roots to the back of the bucket so I could ph without getting roots directly. Nope! That bucket is filled with roots, and its an 8 gallon bucket. I would have never thought an auto would have enough time to grow into an 8 gallon bucket. I was banking on some extra nutrient volume, so I could go out of town for 4-5 days. Hard to say on bucket size though, I have grown 10 foot tomato monsters in 3 gallon Ebb/Flow pots so maybe she would have grown the same in a 5 gallon bucket? I don't think that much root volume could grown in an 5 gallon bucket, so bigger bucket = bigger plant here? Things that make you go "hmmm..." Day 53: A lot of undesirable undergrowth that blew up during stretch. Like a ton of it, but I’m done messing with her. Took out the top shelf and reconfigured exhaust. What a pain. I didn’t drop the light but the IP cam took a nose dive on a branch. Now the light is about 12-14” from canary instead of 6-8'. She started to get some light burn so I had to do the deed. Wider IP camera view with added distance so that's a plus! Plant is very happy at 550-575ppm. 600ppm seems to be the number without burning plants? Humidity, temp, and ppm AND light distance in check. Raising the light opened the focal point of this light quite a bit; especially in the center where the PPFD was over 2500 at the center and light less than 8 inches from the canopy. Feeling good. All is in check with some room to grow. She will gain another 2" in height I presume through flower. Day 54: The jury is out of this light. I hits my dli from veg to harvest with it's fixed position design, but wondering if 50watts more would have been the number. I'm going to keep the light in there to keep the data flow congruent to its original design. I hit my DLI right now from the top of the canopy to about 10-12" down the plant. Lighter specs from my last grow, but its hard to tell what is getting what once you leave top of the canopy. Hopefully it will suffice! I moved the light a few inches closer as my DLI was getting light in some of the corners/perimeter. She right 10-11" and is about as good as she is going to get given150watts. I am realizing that 200 watt is probably the optimized wattage here if some canopy penetration is desired, but light these dimensions are not plentiful[. 250 watt and that would be max with managing heat and exhaust sound levels. 250 watt would accommodate a fix state design no problem. I hate to change the light variable but I only have the luxury of one-at-a-time grows, so everything counts on some levels. Been using the PAR meter on and off throughout the day. Penetration needs to be about 25% stronger. Its a perfect light for your average auto grow, but if these results repeat themselves a 250 watt is probably in order. I am making the executive decision to install a 250 watt bar light. I found one with a small footprint at 240watts. Hard find, specs are more than adequate for 4 sf. Will maybe get down a bit deeper but things are looking really crammed with the bottom half. It is PACKED with bud sites and likely not enough light. Questioning the light change, but will definitly thin some lower stuff and "officially" let her be. Since in bumped up the CalMag to about 1.5 ml/gal the reservoir has been running ph equilibrium for 6 days now at 600ppm. I’m guessing this deficiency was driving down ph instead of the usual up/equilibrium in week 7. My first auto to eat at 600ppm for a week with no tip burn. She looks fit, I’ll keep her diet here as the max. I have never cut MicroGro out completely in a grow before. I have been faithful to GH 7 part series since for long time. This grow I took the GH feeding chart and worked backwards to a ppm level I found on the web to be an acceptable range for Autos. These ratios have traditionally been acceptable and without issue. Beautiful plants every time. On the last two runs with this concocted feeding schedule Cal/Magic was very light until week 7, and exactly when I started to see rust spots, etc. in this grow. After a 2ml/gal dose of CaliMagic plus addbacks on watering, that issue disappeared overnight. I mean zero issues with any new or progressing growth. Here's the take away with this. Although CalMag issues are easy to spot and resolve, I did learn is that in both runs they HAD A PERSISTANT DROP IN PH IN MY RESERVOIR in late veg/tranistion. Another wards, if you PH is dropping and your ppm are not doing anything, it very well could be a CalMag deficiency. An indication know before the leaves start getting spotted, etc. I guess if one were perceptive enough, you could resolve this issue as it happens, and never see the effect on the leaves? On this current run, as soon as I dosed the bucket good with Cal/Mag and kept my add/backs a 1.5/ml/gal the PH locked in big. Going on 7 days at 600ppm, 6.0 and the ph is steadily rising. Maybe another bump in ppm. No sign of tip burn yet, why the heck not!:) Not really the expected progress this week but she may just need time. I don’t think she’ll really bulk up until the end of week 9 / week 10. New light to arrive Tuesday but not sure a stronger light will get much further down. It’s almost a roadblock to get beyond the main tops and they are getting well more than they can handle light wise. Bigger light may only mean more heat.
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Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Despite fimming, topping, & numerous HEAVY defoliations (only few days between lashings) into week 6, she's still vivacious. Week 6, I sat her back in the chair. Will she bulk up soon, or is there a Auto "tell-all" on day 50 with final yield? 10-14 week strain. Stretch over.
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Buds. Not fattening
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Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhanswered grow question 3 years ago
It looks good. Don’t do any more defoliation tho. Autos are all over the damn place.. some finish in 70, some finish in 120. There’s been weeks difference I’ve seen in the same strain. Relax, and let it be for a bit, you’re in good shape. I have noticed some I ran awhile back would have this like period around this time where they just coasted and seemed to not put on any serious weight. It was annoying, personally. That’s just my experience but give it time man. It’ll be good. Hydro is good at rebounding
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Plant exceeded growth expectations. Now the light penetration is not at the desired PPFD half way down this crowded plant. Any reason not to upgrade to a 250 bar light during flower with Autos?
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Setup. Lighting
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
As long as its not going to burn them, go for it. Good Luck!
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Is changing the light cycle of an autoflower from 18/6 to 20/4 in mid flower too stressful? Doing so would bump my DLI enough to keep my existing light through harvest. She sleeps like clockwork but less so now in mid flower. Will she adjust in a couple days to a longer day?
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Setup. Lighting
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Grey_Wolf
Grey_Wolfanswered grow question 3 years ago
@Hydronaut because of its genetics it will hardly miss a beat if you change lighting cycles just keep in mind the extra heat generated with the extra 2 hours of light if that could be an issue
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Week 9. Flowering
3 years ago
60.96 cm
24 hrs
26 °C
6.2
Strong
575 PPM
45 %
20 °C
21 °C
21 °C
30 L
4 L
35.56 cm
650 PPM
Nutrients 7
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.66 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 1.321 mll
Floralicious Plus - Terra Aquatica
Floralicious Plus 0.264 mll
Day 60: Moving along but keeping an eye on some leaf discoloration. Older leaves possibly showing signs from the older deficiency? Replace 150 watt with 240 watt bar light. BARELY fits in there, but it does with some wiggle room. Temperature went a bit crazy at full brightness as expected. I can control some it, but it can only work in this tiny space at 200 watt or 75% brightness which winds up being optimal. PPFD is super even at about 750 PPFD across the entire canopy. This is much less in the center and much more at the perimeter. Definitely will be buying these type of lights moving forward. No contest. I was as low as 400 PPFD at perimeter and nearly 2000 PPFD at center with old light and only 8” light distance. Bar light has had a massive impact on temp control and humidity inside the tiny grow after some calibration. Dropped humidity by 5-7% and temps by 5 degrees! All about the airflow, or maybe a more efficient light. Either way a big overall improvement for tiny spaces, noted. I tried to do this grow with 3 res changes and I’m wondering if my leaf issues are related. Dumb statement but 5 changes seems to be the magic number. I may have something brewing in the cauldron too or I was just blasting them with light until I moved shelf out and rejigged a few other things to increase light distance to 14” and get a better focal on the canopy.
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Week 10. Flowering
3 years ago
60.96 cm
18 hrs
24 °C
6.2
Strong
500 PPM
45 %
20 °C
21 °C
20 °C
30 L
4 L
35.56 cm
650 PPM
Nutrients 7
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.528 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 1.057 mll
Floralicious Plus - Terra Aquatica
Floralicious Plus 0.211 mll
Day 67: Seems like nutrient deficiency has resolved itself. Things seem to be moving along ok, but based on this plants initial growth, it doesn't match the flower mass IMO - at least it doesn't seem like it to date. Maybe two weeks from harvest, so who knows...
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Week 11. Flowering
3 years ago
60.96 cm
18 hrs
20 °C
6.2
Normal
50 PPM
35 %
14 °C
17 °C
17 °C
30 L
1 L
35.56 cm
400 PPM
Nutrients 7
TriPart Micro - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Micro 0.396 mll
TriPart Bloom - Terra Aquatica
TriPart Bloom 0.793 mll
Floralicious Plus - Terra Aquatica
Floralicious Plus 0.211 mll
Coming to a finish soon. Brown effected leaf spots have burned to a paper-bag brown color/look. Issue was resolved at first sight, so it remained at the canopy. A bit ugly looking, but nice frosty flowers still. Flowers are VERY dense on the top half of the canopy. I took a small top to test trichs and it was like slicing into a cucumber. No air whatsoever. Overall the plant is extremely healthy despite some ugly looking leaves at the top caused by low ph and possibly lack of calmag a few weeks ago.
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Week 12. Flowering
3 years ago
60.96 cm
18 hrs
20 °C
6.2
Normal
50 PPM
35 %
14 °C
17 °C
17 °C
30 L
1 L
35.56 cm
400 PPM
Nutrients 1
FlashClean - Terra Aquatica
FlashClean 2.642 mll
She’s on her third day of final flush and heading towards her Monday demise. Leaving town for 5 days and made the executive decision to cut regardless of where’s she is. Mostly cloudy and some random amber. She looks real nice, bulked up and now finishing quickly. It appears the abuse she endured through veg and transition didn’t effect the grow period much, but maybe in yield? She’s good for 6-8 ounces is my best guess, but never know until I peel this onion back Monday.
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Week 13. Harvest
3 years ago
Happy Harvest Day!
Gelato Autoflower - ILGM
Spent 86 days
Ger Veg Flo Har
8/10
Rated
1133.98 g
Bud wet weight per plant
167.26 g
Bud dry weight per plant
1
Plants
0.36
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I threw everything at this grow including CO2, and a hardy defoliation - and several toppings. I have learned that maybe in 3.8 sf to leave the CO2 off, and only top once. Heavier removal further down the plant before flower for sure. The plant was EXTREMELY vivacious, and grew into a tight "growing-ball." This plant may have hit 10-12oz of top bin buds if I had her outside the grow box, and stretched around a bit for better light penetration. Next run, I will back off these variable and continue the data collection. I only kept the quality buds, and probably threw away 3-4 ounces of useable but mediocre bud and larf.
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Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
What is dry weight considered for GD? Any general consensus? Seems subjective and I hate trimming bud and cut off the good stuff and toss larf and not so sexy buds in the trash. It’s usable but I have no need for most of my harvests and tend to grab the high end jewelry and run.
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Ezzjaybruhanswered grow question 3 years ago
Yeah bro just do what pleases you lol.. I do my weight about 7-10 days after chop that has a decent trim..
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