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2 x 2 Steel Cabinet
Indoor
Room Type
Defoliation
weeks 2-5, 7-8, 12
FIMing
weeks 3
Topping
weeks 3-4
LST
weeks 3-5, 7-8
Expanded Clay
Grow medium
Mineral Wool
Grow medium
30.2833 l
Pot Size
Grow Conditions
Week 8
Flowering
55.88
cm
inch
Height
20 hrs
Light Schedule
15+ conditions after
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Nutrients
ml/l
ml/gal
tsp/gal
4+ nutrients after
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Grow Technique Usage
LST
Technique
Defoliation
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Hydronaut Hydronaut
3 years ago
Big healthy plant for the most part, but the flowering just won’t kick in! This is the week that says she’s running behind or that she’s going to be on a cocaine diet till the end? Need some bulk, it’s week 8 already. I don’t like my girls fast anyways, so I’ll be a patient gent. Day 51: Early AM: It seems that the flowers are starting to fatten up at a familiar rate now. Stretch is definitely over to boot. Feels like a week or so behind my other Auto grows, but I am gathering from the peeps on GD that grow times can be all over the place with Autos; even with seeds front the same plant. I won't be a Debbie-downer, but I cant help but think what this thing would have done in a bigger space. I left her alone a couple days ago as her stretch slowed noticeably. A pluck here and there moving forward, but that's about it for the sadistic stuff. Day 51: Late Afternoon: She's about to take off in the flower it feels. 6 hours passed, and I was like "oh, hello there!" If nothing goes too crazy, I'm hoping she'll be a good one regardless of her 3.8 sf living quarters. I never did move the top shelf, so the light is less than 8 inches from the canopy. I'll keep an eye on the "crispy effect" out of complete laziness and fear of dropping the light on the plant! Tallest branches are around the perimeter and still hitting their DLI. The center/down the plant is getting blasted by the light, so I suspect about 6 or so runners to hit the canopy and hang out with the FIM family in the next week or so? Day 51: Evening: Bigger bucket = bigger plant in hydro? One heck of a root mass going on in her trough. I tried pushing the roots to the back of the bucket so I could ph without getting roots directly. Nope! That bucket is filled with roots, and its an 8 gallon bucket. I would have never thought an auto would have enough time to grow into an 8 gallon bucket. I was banking on some extra nutrient volume, so I could go out of town for 4-5 days. Hard to say on bucket size though, I have grown 10 foot tomato monsters in 3 gallon Ebb/Flow pots so maybe she would have grown the same in a 5 gallon bucket? I don't think that much root volume could grown in an 5 gallon bucket, so bigger bucket = bigger plant here? Things that make you go "hmmm..." Day 53: A lot of undesirable undergrowth that blew up during stretch. Like a ton of it, but I’m done messing with her. Took out the top shelf and reconfigured exhaust. What a pain. I didn’t drop the light but the IP cam took a nose dive on a branch. Now the light is about 12-14” from canary instead of 6-8'. She started to get some light burn so I had to do the deed. Wider IP camera view with added distance so that's a plus! Plant is very happy at 550-575ppm. 600ppm seems to be the number without burning plants? Humidity, temp, and ppm AND light distance in check. Raising the light opened the focal point of this light quite a bit; especially in the center where the PPFD was over 2500 at the center and light less than 8 inches from the canopy. Feeling good. All is in check with some room to grow. She will gain another 2" in height I presume through flower. Day 54: The jury is out of this light. I hits my dli from veg to harvest with it's fixed position design, but wondering if 50watts more would have been the number. I'm going to keep the light in there to keep the data flow congruent to its original design. I hit my DLI right now from the top of the canopy to about 10-12" down the plant. Lighter specs from my last grow, but its hard to tell what is getting what once you leave top of the canopy. Hopefully it will suffice! I moved the light a few inches closer as my DLI was getting light in some of the corners/perimeter. She right 10-11" and is about as good as she is going to get given150watts. I am realizing that 200 watt is probably the optimized wattage here if some canopy penetration is desired, but light these dimensions are not plentiful[. 250 watt and that would be max with managing heat and exhaust sound levels. 250 watt would accommodate a fix state design no problem. I hate to change the light variable but I only have the luxury of one-at-a-time grows, so everything counts on some levels. Been using the PAR meter on and off throughout the day. Penetration needs to be about 25% stronger. Its a perfect light for your average auto grow, but if these results repeat themselves a 250 watt is probably in order. I am making the executive decision to install a 250 watt bar light. I found one with a small footprint at 240watts. Hard find, specs are more than adequate for 4 sf. Will maybe get down a bit deeper but things are looking really crammed with the bottom half. It is PACKED with bud sites and likely not enough light. Questioning the light change, but will definitly thin some lower stuff and "officially" let her be. Since in bumped up the CalMag to about 1.5 ml/gal the reservoir has been running ph equilibrium for 6 days now at 600ppm. I’m guessing this deficiency was driving down ph instead of the usual up/equilibrium in week 7. My first auto to eat at 600ppm for a week with no tip burn. She looks fit, I’ll keep her diet here as the max. I have never cut MicroGro out completely in a grow before. I have been faithful to GH 7 part series since for long time. This grow I took the GH feeding chart and worked backwards to a ppm level I found on the web to be an acceptable range for Autos. These ratios have traditionally been acceptable and without issue. Beautiful plants every time. On the last two runs with this concocted feeding schedule Cal/Magic was very light until week 7, and exactly when I started to see rust spots, etc. in this grow. After a 2ml/gal dose of CaliMagic plus addbacks on watering, that issue disappeared overnight. I mean zero issues with any new or progressing growth. Here's the take away with this. Although CalMag issues are easy to spot and resolve, I did learn is that in both runs they HAD A PERSISTANT DROP IN PH IN MY RESERVOIR in late veg/tranistion. Another wards, if you PH is dropping and your ppm are not doing anything, it very well could be a CalMag deficiency. An indication know before the leaves start getting spotted, etc. I guess if one were perceptive enough, you could resolve this issue as it happens, and never see the effect on the leaves? On this current run, as soon as I dosed the bucket good with Cal/Mag and kept my add/backs a 1.5/ml/gal the PH locked in big. Going on 7 days at 600ppm, 6.0 and the ph is steadily rising. Maybe another bump in ppm. No sign of tip burn yet, why the heck not!:) Not really the expected progress this week but she may just need time. I don’t think she’ll really bulk up until the end of week 9 / week 10. New light to arrive Tuesday but not sure a stronger light will get much further down. It’s almost a roadblock to get beyond the main tops and they are getting well more than they can handle light wise. Bigger light may only mean more heat.
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Grow Questions
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Can some of you tell me what you consider day 1? Tap sprout, breaking soil/medium, etc? One of those things that deserve standardization of sorts, right?
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Germination. Cube
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Hashy
Hashyanswered grow question 3 years ago
I usually class day 0 as the day they break ground and day 1 the day after cos its 1 day old.
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
If for my grow, I call day 1 when the seed breaks medium, should I be including the next 6 days under germination week, or start week 2 as veg?
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Germination. Other
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Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhanswered grow question 3 years ago
Interesting papa T - I get it’s not true veg til a few weeks in but there’s no seedling stage for the diary so I just start week 1 of veg on the diary as the day it pops thru medium and cotyledons open and face the light
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Can one top an Auto (10-14 week strain) in late 4th week? I’ve been topping on day 21 since growing autos but feel there room based on past grows. Advantages/Disadvantages if done before preflower?
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Setup. Strain - Autoflowering
Techniques. Topping
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Papa_T
Papa_Tanswered grow question 3 years ago
Most people generally don’t top an auto but your plant is looking like fire and you’ve got a good grasp of what you’re doing by the looks of it. So I say if you’re having success doing what you do then don’t change bro. It sounds like you already know when to do this strategically as to not stress the plant at critical phases. Obviously the short lifespan of an auto makes it less desirable to stress it through its life. But a plant is a plant and it can be topped. But topping before preflower is gonna decreases bud sites. I don’t think there’s benefits from doing this at this point. Cheers 🤙
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
My Plantess is bigger than the BBanner, Zkittlez, GGlue Autos grown in the past; same genetic stature. By the end of week 4 she will be wall-to-wall and 10-11"H. I lateralized branches for when FIM-job grows in. 24" max plant height. Move her out of this 2 x 2 tin can?
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Plant. Other
Techniques. LST
Techniques. HST
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
I'd keep it in that, autos don't like getting moved around to much.
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Could I top this FIM from a week ago? I have lateralized all her branches, but feel there is a lot of catching up to do. Branch spread is ideal for this grow space, but comparatively low. Am I really effecting yield, if I am satisficed with the growth in place and take the top?
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Techniques. Topping
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
Normally at this point in a grow I would say no, and use LST. Trying to even it out with the two shoot from that node to give your self another main cola. but your plant is massive, and looks like its doing very well. I Don't think that little nubbin going missing will do shit to your over all yields. Its a BEAST! Go for it. Pinch that little sucker off. Happy Growing!
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
My plant grew massively the first 4 weeks, and leaves became jammed regardless of my training techniques. A medium defoliation, turned into a massacre! Growth slowed last two days - almost up to speed again. What will come of a near "Schwazz" in early week 6 (auto), in the end?
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Techniques. Defoliation
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Fruitgrower
Fruitgroweranswered grow question 3 years ago
That's not necessarily true what organoman said below. As long as the plant is healthy, Taking off some excess foliage and small budsites is good for the plant and the end result. Pulling off dead or dying leaves and lower down leaves actually makes more sugars and nutrients available to the plant and causes a mild stress response which strengthens and send food to the other branches. It should also be mentioned that this should only be done before and after the flowering stretch, avoid during stretch period can stunt growth. 🌱👍
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Twice between heavy defoliations the were leaves were so jammed together some leaves would get wet from contact with other leaves. It's the only leaf on the whole plant like this - as of now. Seems like Calmag? Product of sweating? Nute splash? (week 7 photos)
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Leaves. Color - Dark-brown
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
If it's only on one leaf I would not worry to much about it. It could have been water damage from being wet like you said and then getting burnt from the lights. Or a splash of the nutrients. Don't panic if its just one leaf and keep an eye on it. Don't remove it as well, if it gets much worse on that leaf then it will help us determine what it could be. Good Luck!
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Leaves have faint large spots in the center/top of the plant. Light is 8” from the center of the plant. Almost purplish/gray color. I have a mid grow flush coming up this Saturday. Long flush? Is the light distance to blame, something else?
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Leaves. Other
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
your NPK in GH nutes alone is. 1.3-2.5-4.3 add in the others as well. silicon 0-0-4 calmeg 1-0-0 koolbloom 0-10-10 floralicious 2-.8-.02 I don't think it needs more potassium, maybe less. Could try 1ml-1.2ml calmg vs .8ml excess potassium also looks similar to what your experiencing. and needing phosphorus also looks like this. excess potassium locks out calcium as well and this looks like that too. I'd cut back potassium somewhere maybe armor SI and Kool Bloom / flora grow. Could as in more micro to boost the lost nitrogen from grow. Best Of Luck!
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
This is a note for my previous question. Wanted to pass along my auto feeding schedule is in my germination week if it helps any. Also my Koolbloom ppm wasn’t set to ml/gal so that was looking way off in a number of weeks so I updated that
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Leaves. Other
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
Was wondering what happened to my old answer, its a new question lol. that photo is small and blurry but I made out most of it. week 7-9 flower still looking at NPK of 3.0-4.3-7.43 I still think potassium is on the high side and phosphorus could be a bit higher. Cheers,
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Despite fimming, topping, & numerous HEAVY defoliations (only few days between lashings) into week 6, she's still vivacious. Week 6, I sat her back in the chair. Will she bulk up soon, or is there a Auto "tell-all" on day 50 with final yield? 10-14 week strain. Stretch over.
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Buds. Not fattening
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Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhanswered grow question 3 years ago
It looks good. Don’t do any more defoliation tho. Autos are all over the damn place.. some finish in 70, some finish in 120. There’s been weeks difference I’ve seen in the same strain. Relax, and let it be for a bit, you’re in good shape. I have noticed some I ran awhile back would have this like period around this time where they just coasted and seemed to not put on any serious weight. It was annoying, personally. That’s just my experience but give it time man. It’ll be good. Hydro is good at rebounding
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Plant exceeded growth expectations. Now the light penetration is not at the desired PPFD half way down this crowded plant. Any reason not to upgrade to a 250 bar light during flower with Autos?
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Setup. Lighting
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 3 years ago
As long as its not going to burn them, go for it. Good Luck!
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
Is changing the light cycle of an autoflower from 18/6 to 20/4 in mid flower too stressful? Doing so would bump my DLI enough to keep my existing light through harvest. She sleeps like clockwork but less so now in mid flower. Will she adjust in a couple days to a longer day?
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Setup. Lighting
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Grey_Wolf
Grey_Wolfanswered grow question 3 years ago
@Hydronaut because of its genetics it will hardly miss a beat if you change lighting cycles just keep in mind the extra heat generated with the extra 2 hours of light if that could be an issue
Hydronaut
Hydronautstarted grow question 3 years ago
What is dry weight considered for GD? Any general consensus? Seems subjective and I hate trimming bud and cut off the good stuff and toss larf and not so sexy buds in the trash. It’s usable but I have no need for most of my harvests and tend to grab the high end jewelry and run.
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Other. Other
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Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhanswered grow question 3 years ago
Yeah bro just do what pleases you lol.. I do my weight about 7-10 days after chop that has a decent trim..
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Hydronaut
Hydronautweek 0
Is there a consensus of when day 1 starts? I always called day 1 the day the seedling breaks the medium surface as seeds can pop in one day, or five. I know there are plenty of opinions here. Thoughts?
Hydronaut
Hydronautweek 10
Note to Self #1: Don’t forget to start raising PH starting transition!
Hydronaut
Hydronautweek 7
Day 44: She's looking good, and stretching at a rate of 2"/day in her tin can. I did a light defoliation and cleaned up training wires. I'll leave her be from here on out; less some selective defoliation to keep sites open. I cut CO2 (which would have been helpful a bit earlier), and may turn back on at the end of week 8, time will tell.
Hydronaut
Hydronautweek 5
She's growing rapidly for sure. I squeezed in 3 defoliation/LST sessions in week 4, and just finish my fourth in week 5. Recovered and moving forward, within hours every time. Getting good light penetration/new shoot growth. Some of her extremities are near 90 degree angles now, with smaller branches racing to the top. Hoping the low branches catch up soon, there quite the growth happening at the FIM location, and she may take off again!
alchemist
alchemistweek 0
Dude this is real impressive grow room!!can you talk to the plants with the cameras??
Hydronaut
Hydronaut
Hehe, of course I can! How would one feel if they were locked up in 4 square feet for 12 weeks with no one to talk to! There’s a group call PETA that’s seems to be sweeping the industry. (People for the Ethical Treatment of Autoflowers).
homerjgangia
homerjgangiaweek 0
Good luck with your grow mate!💪💪
Hydronaut
Hydronaut
Getting close H. I screwed up a number of things on this run, but still hoping for a HP!
BUDMAN73
BUDMAN73week 0
very nice 😍 Happy growing
Hydronaut
Hydronaut
I'm always happy what a plant gives me regardless I what I have done to her!
Roberts
Robertsweek 0
Nice grow system 🌱🤜🤛
Hydronaut
Hydronaut
Thanks Roberts. It’s not as complicated as it seems!
Psilocubensis
Psilocubensisweek 6
Great grow! What is the size of the cabin?
Hydronaut
Hydronaut
It's a coffin. 22" x 22" inside growing footprint - if that. I gotta say, I can't figure this girl out in it though. Can't kill her, let alone train her to fit in the tin can. Wild grow from a defoliation perspective. Maybe all she needs is time, to shine. Fingers crossed!
m0use
m0useweek 0
I'm liking the way that stealth grow cabinet is looking!
Hydronaut
Hydronaut
m0use, you are just plain chill. Such a great grower, resource, and not overly opinionated!
Psilocubensis
Psilocubensisweek 0
your cabinet is really beautiful !!!! How about the noise?
Hydronaut
Hydronaut
46 dB - update 38 dB to be in the 20’s soon.
Y0ink
Y0inkweek 0
When the going gets tough, the tough get going! Good luck! 👊🏽💪🏽💚
Godesskat
Godesskatweek 11
Good luck with your grow mate!💪💪
Hydronaut
Hydronaut
Thanks M!
HAPPYWEEDS
HAPPYWEEDSweek 11
Close to the end. Wish you all the best with harvest soon =)
Hydronaut
Hydronaut
Gotta harvest on March 2 whether I like it or not. Blazing out of town for a bit, yet she looks like she'll be just about there before I cruise!
cannapassion
cannapassionweek 7
Good Luck for the futur 👌💪💪
Hydronaut
Hydronaut
Yes the future! Next run coming soon!
Kynareth
Kynarethweek 6
good grow buddy
Hydronaut
Hydronaut
Thanks E. It could be much better, but I let some of the most basic parameters get away from me!