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Bertoxxulous Custom Build
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weeks 5-10
ScrOG
weeks 5-10, 12-15
Mineral Wool
Grow medium
Expanded Clay
Grow medium
57 L
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Week 1
Vegetation
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Height
20 hrs
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13+ conditions after
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Jack's Nutrients Magnesium Sulfate
0.352 ml/l
Hydroguard - Botanicare
Hydroguard
0.528 mll
Drip Clean - House & Garden
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0.106 mll
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Bertoxxulous Bertoxxulous
3 years ago
Hey folks, I'm finally back at it again. It took me a while for a couple of reasons: 1) I usually only grow in the winter. 2) I completely revamped my grow room after the issues I ran into with the last setup. 3) It took me a while to brainstorm exactly what I wanted to do. I bought these seeds from D.C. Seeds and was very pleased with the experience. I'm very happy to give business to a fellow American and Veteran. I've only ever purchased seeds from the UK in the past and that experience has been "dodgy" to say the least (not the vendors fault, but the transit). I've only ever grown photo's, but chose to go with all auto's moving forward. After calculating the intensity of my current light, with it being on a 20/4 rotation I'm very close to hitting 40 moles per day, at least directly under the light. It doesn't quite cover my 2' x 5' trellis. I'll eventually upgrade my light, but auto's should get me the best bang for my buck with this light. Also, I spent a pretty penny building this new grow room. The other obvious reason for growing auto's is their shorter seed to harvest time. I've got a small grow area, and never plan on expanding. Theoretically, auto's will allow me to produce the most out of my room. A few things about my grow room: 1) I lined the whole closet with 1/2" plywood and put that piece of ply the air intake/outtake/power as the divider between each side of the closet 2) The grow room itself has ply on all wall surfaces so I could mount stuff to it and paint it 3) The other side of the closet is my storage/prep/power distribution/etc. area. Maybe I'll take a pic one of these days 4) My last grow my carbon filter/fan was venting into the other side of the closet. This created a headache for a number of reasons. I tapped a 4" hole through the floor and am now venting into my crawl space below the house. 5) I moved to bubbleponics to speed up my grows even more. I will be removing the drip system once the roots hit the water in the res. 6) The larger res. will hopefully make my life much easier. Late in the last grow I could only fit 3 gallons of water in the bucket and that sucker was pounding down at least a gallon a day. That required too much micro-managing for me (both ph and refills). 7) I no longer have a fixed trellis with chicken wire. The trellis is held in place by dowels that I can pull out by hand. The short sides of the trellis have hinges on the bottom, so I can fold it and pull it out easy-mode. Lastly, I'll be using string for the trellis so come harvest all I have to do is cut the string instead of dealing with trying not to destroy buds pulling them through chicken wire (it takes forever). 8) I built a light diffuser on the other side of the air intake 9) My res. is on a motorcycle lift I'm using a drill to move up and down I have now started using Jack's as my primary nutes. They tell you the full break-down of each macro and micro nute, giving me more control and understanding. I think House & Garden is a good product, but when stuff goes bad it's more difficult to troubleshoot when you have no idea what each piece of their full lineup contains. I'm assuming it's kind of a proprietary type thing, which I understand, but knowledge is power. I am still using their Drip Clean (while the bubbler is going) and Roots Excelurator Silver, both excellent products. I'm still using Hydroguard, and will FOREVER. I'm a true believer now of why Hydroguard is necessary for any hydro application, IMO. I also purchased water soluble fulvic acid, but have decided not to use it for this grow....or at least while the bubbler is going (I'll elaborate below). Ok...now that all that is out of the way.... I really wanted to use my well water instead of R/O to make my life easier. Soooo....I filled up my res., and put two seeds in the system immediately. Nothing happened after 1 1/2 weeks. I finally opened up the cubes and saw that the beans had popped, but it looked like maybe I drowned them, or they ddin't grow straight up or something. For round two, I didn't change the water out, and decided to soak the beans for 24 hours in R/O water first. I had the exact same problem. I'm still not really sure what happend, but I suspect it was the well water. My PPMs were sitting at ~500 with the well water, which was probably too spicy for the beans just starting. Also, my well water is questionable (even though it's at 165ppm), but I won't elaborate further....it's a long ass story and I've spent an absurd amount of money on it. Lastly, I did put the Fulvic acid in, and it was very messy. I really want to avoid having to clean my res. Once the roots get big it will be a real pain in the ass to clean. I'm leaning towards not using the Fulvic acid this grow just to see how things go. I had 10 beans total of the Sour Apple and have already ruined 4. So here's hoping third times the charm. So, I went back to my tried and true method: 0) R/O water for everything. Ditching the well water idea. 1) Soak beans in R/O water for 24 hours 2) Paper towel method between plates on a heating mat 3) Once the roots pop, I place them pointed down in the hole of the rockwool cube 4) Hand water once a day by dipping the cube in the pre-mix of 1/4 strength Jack's and everything else I've listed above. This put my PPMs at 300...a way more reasonable value for starts. It's been exactly 7 days since I followed the above. It's probably hard to see but the cotyledons came up, and multiple roots have come out the bottom of the cubes....way faster than I've ever seen since I started growing. That means even though I'm doing my old process this already shaved at least a week off of when I'd normally put it in my bucket in the past.
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exclusiveX420
exclusiveX420commentedweek 153 years ago
Just want to chime in. This looks great dude. Good call to hang whole plant. Remove the large fan leaves though for the hang. Dry trimming is the best way and is actually easier when I thought wet would be, it is not. Your bud will take longer to dry which is needed. You need to shoot for 10-14 days of drying. Move your humidity after 3 or 4 days from 50/55 up to 60 area. Keep filter sucking, but don't blow your fans at the plants hanging. You will be fine. Don't hope to trim by next weekend because it may be to early. I get why it would be good timing but don't rush a thing here. Once you trim, go right into GROVE BAGS made for curing. Otherwise, use jars with NO boveda packets to start. Get a 5 pack of cheap hydro meters that fit in your jar. If they are up in the 60+ range you won't need packets for a few weeks. Just burp the jars twice a day to relieve the moisture and stale air. Then after the meters reach 59% or less I would introduce the packets. (Don't judge the hydro meters until about 12-24 hours after putting the bud in so they can moisten up and then give you an accurate reading) it takes just alil time for the moisture to return and it usually will unless you have over dried the product. Make best judgement. Outside of buds will become crisp, branches may start to snap not bend but when u squeeze the bud u may just slightly still feel a low % of moisture is within the bud, this is perfect time to trim. Good luck, I'm actually about to order sour apple auto. I love this strain but have several photos lined up and need a few autos to fill in. This seems like it's doing well enough to include in my garden. Keep it up I'll stay tuned to watch your updates. Be patient and your bud will be what you want it to be. 👍👍
Bertoxxulous
Bertoxxulouscommented3 years ago
@exclusiveX420, That's what it's all about IMO. Experimenting and finding out what works for you. Good luck!
exclusiveX420
exclusiveX420commented3 years ago
@Bertoxxulous,thanks I actually ended up buying food grade hydrogen peroxide to start using regularly now. The UV roots I have read into more and see that for what it's doing and being used for. When i top off my pots after a few days with just fresh water. I need to add UC roots again because it's being depleted after 2-3 days. Further research on what's best for me. We will see
Bertoxxulous
Bertoxxulouscommented3 years ago
@exclusiveX420, I looked into the UC Roots stuff, and it looks like it is a different type of product than Hydroguard. Hydroguard puts beneficial microbes (why you don't want to use peroxide/H2O2 with it) in your solution that prevents negative microbes from causing root rot. It essentially chokes out bad microbes. I haven't had root rot bad enough to encounter what you have, but I know those are symptoms.
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McManus
McManuscommentedweek 123 years ago
Wish you all the best lucky growing😍
Bertoxxulous
Bertoxxulouscommented3 years ago
@McManus, Thank you very much!!!
Godesskat
Godesskatcommentedweek 63 years ago
Good luck with your grow mate!💪💪
Bertoxxulous
Bertoxxulouscommented3 years ago
@Godesskat, Thanks man!
ChefDan420
ChefDan420commentedweek 53 years ago
Power to the scrOG 🥅✊🏼
Bertoxxulous
Bertoxxulouscommented3 years ago
@ChefDan420, Hell yes man! It's the only way to go in my book with how I've got things setup. I'm still trying to figure out when the best time to let things grow through though....I definitely don't have that dialed in quite yet. I would have probably done a better job with a photo for that because I'm more familiar with them. I did some heavy-ish defoliation again Tuesday, and a bunch of tucking today. I think I'm going to let things grow through from here on out. Per the breeder, I've only got 4 weeks left till harvest (although it may go longer).
love_2_grow
love_2_growcommentedweek 23 years ago
Best of luck with your grow, buddy! 🌱🌱🌱
Bertoxxulous
Bertoxxulouscommented3 years ago
@love_2_grow, Thanks kindly!
Kynareth
Kynarethcommentedweek 13 years ago
love this
Bertoxxulous
Bertoxxulouscommented3 years ago
@Kynareth, Thanks!